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Posted: 10/11/2015 8:40:51 AM EDT
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In arguements for second amendment rights pictures of the nazis assassinating citizens frequently are used. While justifiably so and very powerful, perhaps reminding liberals of the Kent state shooting might be another angle they haven't seen or forgotten about, something that happened on a college campus (one of their safe zones) and clearly shows what an armed government will do to suppress a populace. Doing extensive studies into this subject throughout college, including interviewing eye witnesses, I determined that nobody knows what caused the shooting, even witnesses So it may have been justified. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 8:52:45 AM EDT
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 8:53:27 AM EDT
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 8:54:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. This. Another problem was that the NG of this era wasn't very well trained, either. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 8:55:31 AM EDT
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. lol The Feds come up with that? |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:02:48 AM EDT
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:06:19 AM EDT
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They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:10:01 AM EDT
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The subject used to be covered almost every year on Jim Quinn's radio show (the warroom). He interviewed some people who had done a lot of research into the event. Just like the ferguson riots, Kent state attracted several "professional" protestors. Communist street agitators. What is never mentioned in the main stream media is that the out of town protestors egged on the college kids. They wanted this to happen. One of the things they did was make dixie cups filled with concrete and protruding nails and threw these at the cops and guardsmen.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:15:46 AM EDT
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They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. Some of the people shot were on the other side of the campus. Edit those killed were within ~100 m |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:17:53 AM EDT
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Some of the people shot were on the other side of the campus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. Some of the people shot were on the other side of the campus. Maybe the NG had some National Match M1's? 
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:14:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. Ignorance is bliss. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:16:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:21:53 AM EDT
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Only on arfcom will you hear people defend the government for shooting protestors.
#freespeechexceptforhippies You guys sicketate me. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:27:48 AM EDT
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. Stop letting facts get in the way of emotions. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:27:51 AM EDT
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Only on arfcom will you hear people defend the government for shooting protestors. #freespeechexceptforhippies You guys sicketate me. Damn; you're actually right for a change. 
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:28:06 AM EDT
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The subject used to be covered almost every year on Jim Quinn's radio show (the warroom). He interviewed some people who had done a lot of research into the event. Just like the ferguson riots, Kent state attracted several "professional" protestors. Communist street agitators. What is never mentioned in the main stream media is that the out of town protestors egged on the college kids. They wanted this to happen. One of the things they did was make dixie cups filled with concrete and protruding nails and threw these at the cops and guardsmen. SDS |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:32:02 AM EDT
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:33:33 AM EDT
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Arfcom doesn't believe in free speech, free assembly, or protest when it's executed by those they disagree with, sorry OP.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:35:33 AM EDT
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I place the blame on the 14-year-old runaway
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:35:40 AM EDT
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Stop letting facts get in the way of emotions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. Stop letting facts get in the way of emotions. Rumor has it that you have several unregistered machine guns in your home. Door kicking time? I remember the events at Kent State as they were unfolding and two things still stand out....piss poor training and a lack of regard for human life. Fuck hippies everywhere; but they weren't shooting at the national guard troops. What happened was inexcusable in a democratic republic that values life. People defend the government violence at Ruby Ridge and Waco as well. Welcome to that club. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:36:39 AM EDT
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD Disgusting isn't it?
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:38:50 AM EDT
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Arfcom doesn't believe in free speech, free assembly, or protest when it's executed by those they disagree with, sorry OP. No fuck's given. Those protest types (kent, Ferguson, LA) would gladly destroy every aspect of normal life in a hissy fit of rage because they will never fit into society. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:40:25 AM EDT
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Disgusting isn't it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD Disgusting isn't it? Yep, just like the support in British circles for the Bloody Sunday massacre of 13 unarmed protestors in N Ireland |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:43:16 AM EDT
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Damn; you're actually right for a change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only on arfcom will you hear people defend the government for shooting protestors. #freespeechexceptforhippies You guys sicketate me. Damn; you're actually right for a change. Speciously. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:44:38 AM EDT
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This. Another problem was that the NG of this era wasn't very well trained, either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. This. Another problem was that the NG of this era wasn't very well trained, either. "Don't start no shit, won't be no shit"? What an asinine assertion to support. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:44:51 AM EDT
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.dt...
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:53:10 AM EDT
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On one hand you have the students who were not peacefully protesting. The days before they had rioted in Kent itself after the bars were all closed (which is why the governor called the ARNG). They had professional agitators, including SDS, among their ranks. They burned down there ROTC building and then pelted police and firemen with rocks when they tried to put it out of and contain it. And during the incident that caused the shooting some of them were pulling bricks off a wall and throwing them at the national guardsmen.
The Nat Guard were clown shoes. In a time when people used the ARNG o avoid service in Vietnam, it was filled with poorly trained misfits. For the previous weeks before going to Kent State, they had been handling a pretty stressful union strike, so back to back riots. Two days before the Kent State riots they had marched through the rioter's camp and bayoneted some chick. On the day of the shooting they marched info the wrong area, trapping themselves against a fence and when some of them felt threatened one shot which sent a chain reaction of sympathetic firing, 27 soldiers fired altogethet. Most don't appear to have aimed considering a good number of the casualties were not even among the rioters, including a ROTC student. Piss poor shooting, they mostly hit the wrong people. All around it was a total clusterfuck. But the American public actually supported the shooting, seeing it as law and order. I saw a news clip of one of the parents of a dead student and their response was something like "good, they deserved it." The only reason the incident is taught today is because the hippy leftist SDS agitators ended up taking over our education system. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:59:57 AM EDT
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD Yes, it's very bizarre indeed. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/04/new-light-shed-on-kent-state-killings/?page=all I remember some information after the Soviet Union collapsed. I think they were files taken from the Stasi headquarters by the Berliners that indicated they were actively provoking the protest through friendly U.S. citizens. I can't find a source for that online. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:01:27 AM EDT
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IIRC, after the shootings there weren't anymore riots that day.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:01:36 AM EDT
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We have had posters on this site who claimed to be eyewitnesses, and who claimed to quote eyewitnesses to the whole event, not just the shootings.
According to them, the protestors were not all peaceful, loving flower children, and they did a far amount of arson and vandalism running up to the shootings. I wasn't there, but I have been to other Vietnam-era protests and riots. From what I personally saw. the flower children had within them a cadre of violent-minded people who were trying to transform a protest into a violent confrontation. Personally, I don't condone shooting unarmed people. Under the circumstances present at Kent State, it appears to me that the ill-trained and ill-led NG troops were intentionally goaded into shooting. YMMV |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:01:41 AM EDT
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Arfcom doesn't believe in free speech, free assembly, or protest when it's executed by those they disagree with, sorry OP. No, we just recognize that throwing rocks, burning down buildings, and preventing people from peacefully travelling are not legitimate examples of free speech. We recognize that "peaceful protest" does not include arson or vandalism and that "protesters" who engage in such are criminals just like any other vandal or arsonist and that it is perfectly reasonable to disperse and/or arrest such "protesters." Notice that there were zero arrests and vandalism among tea party protests. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:02:21 AM EDT
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:08:56 AM EDT
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Some of the victims weren't even protestors.
But that don't matter. As long as hippies died. Good thing that same government would never come after cool gunowners like us. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:10:01 AM EDT
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NG never got M14s, except for rifle competitions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. They had M1's FWIW based on the pictures I saw. I thought I'd seen a pic of them with one. My mistake. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:13:50 AM EDT
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This. Another problem was that the NG of this era wasn't very well trained, either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. This. Another problem was that the NG of this era wasn't very well trained, either. "Don't start no shit, won't be no shit"? What an asinine assertion to support. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:16:51 AM EDT
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD And you quote this even after several post appear on both sides of the argument, a few breaking down the event and showing that the "peaceful protester" mystic is bullshit. We all know the event was a total shit show. It's an event that the ignorant cheer, subversives milk for sympathy, and anyone with any common sense just rolls their eyes at, thinking "not this shit again". |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:18:41 AM EDT
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. #1, Carbines, #2, IIRC nobody that was hit was actually a part of the group hassling the NG guys..in fact one of the victims was an ROTC cadet walking to class well AWAY from the protest |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:19:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: In arguements for second amendment rights pictures of the nazis assassinating citizens frequently are used. While justifiably so and very powerful, perhaps reminding liberals of the Kent state shooting might be another angle they haven't seen or forgotten about, something that happened on a college campus (one of their safe zones) and clearly shows what an armed government will do to suppress a populace. If a government will say they are going to do a routine medical check and instead sterilize a woman, not just once but possibly 10,000 times, you really want to trust them to be the only ones with guns? |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:23:30 AM EDT
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The Government screwed up. Once Sgt. Pryor fired then several other N.G. followed suit. Should have never happened. No one fired at the NG and most of the students killed or injured weren't even close to the NG.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:29:36 AM EDT
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"Don't start no shit, won't be no shit"? What an asinine assertion to support. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The hippies were throwing rocks, molotovs and tear gas grenades back at the NG, they also set fire to a few buildings. Rumor has it the NG was fired on first. Bottom line is don't start no shit, won't be no shit. This. Another problem was that the NG of this era wasn't very well trained, either. "Don't start no shit, won't be no shit"? What an asinine assertion to support. Well you were there right? Tell us what happened. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:29:45 AM EDT
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In arguements for second amendment rights pictures of the nazis assassinating citizens frequently are used. While justifiably so and very powerful, perhaps reminding liberals of the Kent state shooting might be another angle they haven't seen or forgotten about, something that happened on a college campus (one of their safe zones) and clearly shows what an armed government will do to suppress a populace. Rioting and attempting to cause serious bodily/harm or death to National Guardsmen is a one way ticket on the pain train. A Hippy has got to know its limits. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:33:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On one hand you have the students who were not peacefully protesting. The days before they had rioted in Kent itself after the bars were all closed (which is why the governor called the ARNG). They had professional agitators, including SDS, among their ranks. They burned down there ROTC building and then pelted police and firemen with rocks when they tried to put it out of and contain it. And during the incident that caused the shooting some of them were pulling bricks off a wall and throwing them at the national guardsmen. The Nat Guard were clown shoes. In a time when people used the ARNG o avoid service in Vietnam, it was filled with poorly trained misfits. For the previous weeks before going to Kent State, they had been handling a pretty stressful union strike, so back to back riots. Two days before the Kent State riots they had marched through the rioter's camp and bayoneted some chick. On the day of the shooting they marched info the wrong area, trapping themselves against a fence and when some of them felt threatened one shot which sent a chain reaction of sympathetic firing, 27 soldiers fired altogethet. Most don't appear to have aimed considering a good number of the casualties were not even among the rioters, including a ROTC student. Piss poor shooting, they mostly hit the wrong people. All around it was a total clusterfuck. But the American public actually supported the shooting, seeing it as law and order. I saw a news clip of one of the parents of a dead student and their response was something like "good, they deserved it." The only reason the incident is taught today is because the hippy leftist SDS agitators ended up taking over our education system. I think this sums it up pretty well. Most if not all of the kids killed were not part of the protest they were going to class. It was a fucked up situation all the way around. I suspect there might have been a little bit of the "I think I'll walk by and see whats going on" |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:34:17 AM EDT
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Those killings are bizarrely supported here in GD Well GD has a lot of folks who dream about shooting hippies, so there's that 
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:41:52 AM EDT
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Only on arfcom will you hear people defend the government for shooting protestors. #freespeechexceptforhippies You guys sicketate me. I would have shot only the ones that looted and destroyed the paint store my Uncle owned. (They needed paint for the protest signs and the side of the ROTC building.) This was not a peaceful protest. I was a young pot smoking hippie kid myself who skipped school that day to go over to the Student Union with my buddy to shoot pool and play Foosball. I was behind the guard when the shooting started. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:43:00 AM EDT
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The subject used to be covered almost every year on Jim Quinn's radio show (the warroom). He interviewed some people who had done a lot of research into the event. Just like the ferguson riots, Kent state attracted several "professional" protestors. Communist street agitators. What is never mentioned in the main stream media is that the out of town protestors egged on the college kids. They wanted this to happen. One of the things they did was make dixie cups filled with concrete and protruding nails and threw these at the cops and guardsmen. And no one took a picture of one? Do you have any proof of this claim? |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:44:44 AM EDT
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#1, Carbines, #2, IIRC nobody that was hit was actually a part of the group hassling the NG guys..in fact one of the victims was an ROTC cadet walking to class well AWAY from the protest Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bunch of dudes with M14's smoked a bunch of hippies........one day I'll be outraged. #1, Carbines, #2, IIRC nobody that was hit was actually a part of the group hassling the NG guys..in fact one of the victims was an ROTC cadet walking to class well AWAY from the protest |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:47:07 AM EDT
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And no one took a picture of one? Do you have any proof of this claim? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The subject used to be covered almost every year on Jim Quinn's radio show (the warroom). He interviewed some people who had done a lot of research into the event. Just like the ferguson riots, Kent state attracted several "professional" protestors. Communist street agitators. What is never mentioned in the main stream media is that the out of town protestors egged on the college kids. They wanted this to happen. One of the things they did was make dixie cups filled with concrete and protruding nails and threw these at the cops and guardsmen. And no one took a picture of one? Do you have any proof of this claim? All I saw were rocks and bottles. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:48:34 AM EDT
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It's funny what is considered free speech here.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:48:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a better example of 'the government is not to be trusted' is to look at the Tuskegee Study where poor blacks were given burial insurance and 'free medical care' but actually were allowed to have syphilis and go untreated to see how long it would take for them to die. This went on all the way into the 1970s. Or the secret and forced sterilization of poor women and Native American women, which also went on into the 1970s. If a government will say they are going to do a routine medical check and instead sterilize a woman, not just once but possibly 10,000 times, you really want to trust them to be the only ones with guns? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In arguements for second amendment rights pictures of the nazis assassinating citizens frequently are used. While justifiably so and very powerful, perhaps reminding liberals of the Kent state shooting might be another angle they haven't seen or forgotten about, something that happened on a college campus (one of their safe zones) and clearly shows what an armed government will do to suppress a populace. If a government will say they are going to do a routine medical check and instead sterilize a woman, not just once but possibly 10,000 times, you really want to trust them to be the only ones with guns? |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:49:14 AM EDT
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I heard the NG just recently returned from Vietnam.
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