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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:52:03 PM EDT
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Fuck off sounds good to me. FPNI |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:54:30 PM EDT
[#2]
You will never win a discussion w/ an anti when it comes to guns. No matter how many facts you hit them with, they will always respond with emotion (It's for the children, etc.)... and there is no way to defeat emotion as the person usually just becomes more emotional.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:59:21 PM EDT
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Being a moron indirectly hurts other people.
Being a Progressive indirectly hurts other people. But I repeat myself... |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:01:24 PM EDT
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I had a woman tell me the other day she has the "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". I pulled up the Constitution app on my phone and asked her to show me where it says that in the Constitution. I could see her get increasingly frustrated as she looked in vain for it. I asked for my phone back, pulled up the Declaration of Independence app and showed her where it says that in the Declaration.
She got all smug and did the "see, it's a right" after I showed it to her. She honestly thinks the Declaration of Independence is part of our code of Law and enumerates legal rights. The best part was her son looking at her and saying, "That's stupid, the Declaration was written before the Revolutionary War was even fought." She still didn't get it. It was pretty funny watching her 14 or 15 year old son try to explain to her how our system of government and law came into existence. She also doesn't understand the difference between a democracy and a republic. Something a lot of liberals seem to have issues with in my experience. This was all because I had on my Arfcom hat and she decided to chastise me for being so insensitive as to wear it after the Oregon shootings. She would have shit herself if she'd known I was carrying. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:03:12 PM EDT
[#5]
The only thing my guns hurt is my wallet.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:09:43 PM EDT
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Just respond with a "Bless your heart" and pat him on the head like a puppy.
He own't get it but everyone else will. There is no point in trying to convince someone that illogical using facts and logic. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:09:44 PM EDT
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Having a penis indirectly promotes rape...
See how stupid that sounds? Wait, people actually use that argument too... Ow, my head is full of fuck now... |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:19:11 PM EDT
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I have guns I hope helped kill some Nazi's ... so did those actually indirectly benefit others instead of hurting them, or are they just inert hunks of metal that do what the person using them wants?
I think they would agree that I have the right to own and read a book... does that mean if I decide to beat someone to death with it that all books become "indirectly detrimental" to others? What if I write a book about the injustice de-jour and it causes somebody to rise up and kill or maim in anger as a result? Should we ban books then? What about freedom of speech, that has killed many thousands of people over the years, is that indirectly detrimental? How many people have been slaughtered in the name of Islam in the last few years, does that mean that Islam is indirectly detrimental, or is it just directly detrimental to others? So basically the only logical extension of that argument is to ban everything because everything could be used to hurt someone. It's like the X-Files where Mulder wished for world peace and everyone disappeared. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:31:56 PM EDT
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Point, laugh, inform them that liberalism is an actual mental disease and they should get help. Leave the area.
Anything more is a waste of time. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:33:33 PM EDT
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You using free speech to express opinions doesn't hurt other people, but the fact that everyone has free speech, and some people use that speech to lie and take advantage of others means that the right to free speech hurts people. Thus the government should regulate what people can and cannot say to protect people. Yup. Apply their logic to any other right and see how logical they really are. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:35:25 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck off sounds good to me. Covers it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:36:49 PM EDT
[#12]
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In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? It does not need a reply. I long ago gave up on people like this. It's doubtful you will change their opinion. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:40:22 PM EDT
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My only response:
Because trying to use reason and logic with these people is like trying to teach a pig calculus. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:41:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not owning a gun makes you a liability food when the $@*^ hits the fan. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:44:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Your opponent has no argument.
Venture into their "argument" at your own peril. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:51:55 PM EDT
[#16]
I don't argue anymore. You can't convert the true believer.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:53:21 PM EDT
[#17]
Substitute freedom of speech or freedom from search and seizure for guns and see if the argument holds water. Oh look, it doesn't.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:04:04 PM EDT
[#18]
Liberals
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:12:15 PM EDT
[#19]
Just to keep this going...I just enjoy this stuff, flipping it back on them.
His latest response: If there were absolutely no guns, there would be no gun crime. That doesn't mean that people wouldn't find other ways to hurt each other, cause they would, but the fact still remains, if no one is allowed to own guns, then people couldn't use them to kill each other. Not that that is what I'm, or most people, are advocating, contrary to what the NRA would have everyone believe.
Now, me and you are allowed to own guns, which is awesome, but because we have that right, other people also have that right, and then sometimes, their ability to exercise that right allows them the opportunity to hurt people with guns. Ergo, our ability to own guns within our society can in fact hurt people, especially considering more than half of the mass shootings we've discussed have featured legally purchased firearms. You don't live in a vacuum. You live in a society. Where the rights of all of us are intimately interwoven with the lives of others. My reply: If there were absolutely no [cameras], there would be no [child pornography]. That doesn't mean that people wouldn't find other ways to hurt each other, cause they would, but the fact still remains, if no one is allowed to own [cameras], then people couldn't use them to [hurt] each other. Not that that is what I'm, or most people, are advocating, contrary to what the [Photographer's Association] would have everyone believe.
Now, me and you are allowed to own [cameras], which is awesome, but because we have that right, other people also have that right, and then sometimes, their ability to exercise that right allows them the opportunity to hurt people with [cihld pornography]. Ergo, our ability to own [cameras] within our society can in fact hurt people, especially considering more than half of the [child pororaphy films] we've discussed have featured legally purchased [cameras]. You don't live in a vacuum. You live in a society. Where the rights of all of us are intimately interwoven with the lives of others. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:19:39 PM EDT
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In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? Tell them that having sex indirectly deprives someone else of having sex with the person they are having sex with at the same time. It's not fair. And they need to stop. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:23:21 PM EDT
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And the reply to that:
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
Again, I'm not sure any amount of reasoning or attempts at compromise will be able to adequately explain the difference between the AR-15 in my closet and the camera inside my IPhone, if that is indeed where this conversation led. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:24:13 PM EDT
[#22]
I tell them to go Indirectly go fuck themselves.
I don't even argue with antigun people anymore Sorry I don't have a better response other than buying more guns and Ammo to piss them off. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:36:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Shit happens.
If Gabriel (the one from the Bible not Genesis) came down and blew his golden horn making every single gun, rifle, and pistol disappear - from the big naval cannons aboard ship to the little tiny North American Arms mini-revolvers I will bet the ranch that by midnight that same day Los Angeles will have experienced the first drive-by bow-and-arrow attack or spear chucking. People have been killing people way way before the invention of gunpowder and will continue to do so. It sucks completely but the price of our liberty are the deaths of a few dozen people a year. Liberals are convinced that if they just pass the right combination of laws they can stop criminal behavior, and that's straight up retarded thinking from anyone with some understanding of the criminal mind. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:40:30 PM EDT
[#24]
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Sorry I don't have a better response other than buying making more guns and Ammo to piss them off. Me too. 
When a liberal sees a finished 80% lower their mind explodes. No waiting period, no FFL record, no ten day waiting period, no serial number. They cost me twice what a manufactured lower would cost but the lack of a serial number makes them priceless to me. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:41:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Tell them to seek medical attention for their mental illness.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:48:32 PM EDT
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For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults:
It's a crazy messed-up world in which I have, even for a brief moment, cause to consider explaining the difference between a camera and a firearm to a grown man. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:58:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Reply: The difference between stupidity and genius is that there is a limit to genius. And your statement is immeasurably stupid. When you can come up with something rational to discuss, let me know.
I don't like beating around the bush. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:11:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults: Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults: It's a crazy messed-up world in which I have, even for a brief moment, cause to consider explaining the difference between a camera and a firearm to a grown man. They are both inanimate objects that can be used for benign or malevolent purposes at the sole discretion of the user. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:31:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Your right to the first amendment hurts others because even though you don't lie other crazy people use the first amendment to lie.
Sit back and wait for vapor lock  |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:41:59 PM EDT
[#30]
People who hurt others don't care whether it's a right, legal or anything similar. They have no regard for anyone else but themselves, therefore no matter what the tool involved or if guns never existed, that person would use whatever means available to do their bidding.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:47:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Didn't bother to read the 4 pages of responses (I'm sure a lot folks mentioned it already) but......That
goes for just about ANYTHING!  "I've owned hammers for decades and never caved someone else's skull in with one but.....that fact that I'm able to own hammers contributes to the deaths of people who DO have their heads caved in by them......" WHAT?!!!!! |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:56:20 PM EDT
[#32]
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Just to keep this going...I just enjoy this stuff, flipping it back on them. His latest response: My reply: Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just to keep this going...I just enjoy this stuff, flipping it back on them. His latest response: If there were absolutely no guns, there would be no gun crime. That doesn't mean that people wouldn't find other ways to hurt each other, cause they would, but the fact still remains, if no one is allowed to own guns, then people couldn't use them to kill each other. Not that that is what I'm, or most people, are advocating, contrary to what the NRA would have everyone believe.
Now, me and you are allowed to own guns, which is awesome, but because we have that right, other people also have that right, and then sometimes, their ability to exercise that right allows them the opportunity to hurt people with guns. Ergo, our ability to own guns within our society can in fact hurt people, especially considering more than half of the mass shootings we've discussed have featured legally purchased firearms. You don't live in a vacuum. You live in a society. Where the rights of all of us are intimately interwoven with the lives of others. My reply: If there were absolutely no [cameras], there would be no [child pornography]. That doesn't mean that people wouldn't find other ways to hurt each other, cause they would, but the fact still remains, if no one is allowed to own [cameras], then people couldn't use them to [hurt] each other. Not that that is what I'm, or most people, are advocating, contrary to what the [Photographer's Association] would have everyone believe.
Now, me and you are allowed to own [cameras], which is awesome, but because we have that right, other people also have that right, and then sometimes, their ability to exercise that right allows them the opportunity to hurt people with [cihld pornography]. Ergo, our ability to own [cameras] within our society can in fact hurt people, especially considering more than half of the [child pororaphy films] we've discussed have featured legally purchased [cameras]. You don't live in a vacuum. You live in a society. Where the rights of all of us are intimately interwoven with the lives of others. What a ridiculous statement - it's like I said - the only way there would be no crime/violence is if humans didn't exist. We have been quite good at killing each other since time began. 33 dead, 140 injured in knife attack |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:57:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? A right to own an object doesn't infringe on anyone's safety unless laws already in place are violated. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:01:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:01:26 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults: Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults: It's a crazy messed-up world in which I have, even for a brief moment, cause to consider explaining the difference between a camera and a firearm to a grown man. Here's a reply for him: It's sad you can't tell the difference between an analogy and your anus, where your thought process apparently comes from. a·nal·o·gy ?'nal?je/ noun noun: analogy; plural noun: analogies a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification. "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies" a correspondence or partial similarity. "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia" a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects. "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature" |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:00:57 AM EDT
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I had a woman tell me the other day she has the "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". I pulled up the Constitution app on my phone and asked her to show me where it says that in the Constitution. I could see her get increasingly frustrated as she looked in vain for it. I asked for my phone back, pulled up the Declaration of Independence app and showed her where it says that in the Declaration. She got all smug and did the "see, it's a right" after I showed it to her. She honestly thinks the Declaration of Independence is part of our code of Law and enumerates legal rights. The best part was her son looking at her and saying, "That's stupid, the Declaration was written before the Revolutionary War was even fought." She still didn't get it. It was pretty funny watching her 14 or 15 year old son try to explain to her how our system of government and law came into existence. She also doesn't understand the difference between a democracy and a republic. Something a lot of liberals seem to have issues with in my experience. This was all because I had on my Arfcom hat and she decided to chastise me for being so insensitive as to wear it after the Oregon shootings. She would have shit herself if she'd known I was carrying. Just tell her 28 people died yesterday due to drunk driving, and you think it's insensitive that she goes driving around in her car. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:06:12 AM EDT
[#37]
Fuck your feelings.
Your feels don't trump freedoms. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:08:10 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults: Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those interested, they have conceded and resorted to insults: It's a crazy messed-up world in which I have, even for a brief moment, cause to consider explaining the difference between a camera and a firearm to a grown man. Should have used car instead of camera. Reason being, you can hit him like this: See, you own a car, but that's OK, because you see the benefit of owning a car. You use yours responsibly and don't go around driving drunk and endangering people. But by your reasoning, you are endangering people by owning a car, because they can own cars too, and if other people own cars, some will misuse them and harm other people. So your point basically boils down to "water is wet" and "fire burns". Sure, if you could magically make all guns disappear (and magic is what it would take!), then it stands to reason that nobody would get shot any more. But that's a silly notion, because you cannot magically make guns disappear. No legislation would ever make this happen. It's not achievable. I'd suggest you buck up and prepare yourself for the world you live in, instead of trying to impossibly change the world into what you idealize. It won't happen. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:15:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck off sounds good to me. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:16:26 AM EDT
[#40]
"I know it does, I just don't care."
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:22:00 AM EDT
[#41]
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You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. You are literally too stupid to participate in the arena of rational debate. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:47:14 AM EDT
[#42]
Amused smirk + walk away.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:49:05 AM EDT
[#43]
Beat his head in with a hammer,
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:58:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryMore accurately. A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 3:14:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Rip out their heart and sacrifice it to Mars.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 3:47:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
In a discussion with an anti. He goes on to elaborate: You owning guns doesn't hurt any other person, but the fact that you have a right to own those guns clearly does, because that same right applies to another party who is going to use that same right to hurt people. The statement is nonsense but a requires a reply regardless. So far I have, "They aren't using the right to hurt people. They are abusing their rights. There is a stark difference." What else? where are you people hearing this shit from? maybe i just give off that "fuck off" vibe 'cause no one talks to me about this shit. 
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Posted: 10/12/2015 3:00:46 PM EDT
[#47]
You cannot make sense of the nonsense that comes out of a crazy person, and there is no response.
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Posted: 10/13/2015 7:42:34 AM EDT
[#48]
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Fuck off sounds good to me. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 7:45:28 AM EDT
[#49]
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You will never win a discussion w/ an anti when it comes to guns. No matter how many facts you hit them with, they will always respond with emotion (It's for the children, etc.)... and there is no way to defeat emotion as the person usually just becomes more emotional. +1 Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 7:51:53 AM EDT
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It's the other way around.
Unless that person puts a sign in his front yard that clearly establishes that he does not enjoy the protection of firearms, a potential attacker is liable to assume he does. So he benefits from the right because of the presumption that is created by the possibility of him being armed. If he wishes to practice what he preaches, he must remove all possibility of that presumption, and any possible protection it may lend. |
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