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Posted: 9/2/2015 5:42:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even adjusted for cost of living difference my local cops here would need a 60% raise to be on par with what I made in NY and my department was the lowest paid in the area. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Many departments in the south literally pay poverty wages. Even adjusted for cost of living difference my local cops here would need a 60% raise to be on par with what I made in NY and my department was the lowest paid in the area. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 5:45:39 PM EDT
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If anything this will hopefully filter out the useless ones that you can't count on for help when you need it.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 5:46:22 PM EDT
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Do you see a connection between how financially sound a state is and how generous it is with public employee pay and social safety net payments? You moved to Ga...so did a lot of jobs from NY....how long do you think the public sector pay will continue to increase when everyone leaves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Many departments in the south literally pay poverty wages. Even adjusted for cost of living difference my local cops here would need a 60% raise to be on par with what I made in NY and my department was the lowest paid in the area. Texas seems to be doing pretty good and there are departments there that pay thousands more than I was making in NYC plus they have way better benefits and retirement. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 5:46:52 PM EDT
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The two cops I used to train judo and bjj with were both big believers in payback. You could tell they both thought payback was fucking sweet. I like it to.
I have no doubt this black lives matter shit is going to have a cost in black lives. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:01:27 PM EDT
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What are the age requirements for new hires?
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmmm. So you are saying that there is not a degree out there that would benefit you in your career and give you the opportunity for advancement?? You know, something that would get you more than $120 a month ? I would bet you there is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Back when I was a deputy, the starting pay was 11 bucks an hour..........I got an extra dollar because I had a degree and went to the corrections academy...........pay didn't change a lot in the 4 1/2 years I was there Quoted: Quoted: That is pathetic. There's a LEO here who's posted in the past that he gets paid $11 and change an hour. Yeah... fuck that. HS Diploma for me!  Hmmmm. So you are saying that there is not a degree out there that would benefit you in your career and give you the opportunity for advancement?? You know, something that would get you more than $120 a month ? I would bet you there is. I'm investing my money into different venues so it grows and when I reach retirement age, the State Pension will be a drop in the bucket compared to what I'll have on the private side. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say what you will about unions, I would never have worked in LE without one. Shit, the city used to fuck us around all the time, and we had a union. When I read the horror stories of how guys in other departments get fucked over, I often think, "Hmmm, maybe we didn't have it that bad." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not all LE is Union. A good chunk in Florida are "At Will" aand can be fired anytime. Especially with the Sheriff agencies, when Bubba is elected into office and Billy Bob leaves. Bubba usually fires everyone and brings his folks on board. When I read the horror stories of how guys in other departments get fucked over, I often think, "Hmmm, maybe we didn't have it that bad." |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:30:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you see a connection between how financially sound a state is and how generous it is with public employee pay and social safety net payments? You moved to Ga...so did a lot of jobs from NY....how long do you think the public sector pay will continue to increase when everyone leaves? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many departments in the south literally pay poverty wages. Even adjusted for cost of living difference my local cops here would need a 60% raise to be on par with what I made in NY and my department was the lowest paid in the area. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:32:51 PM EDT
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IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT.
For the record......I would NOT want my son to become an LEO. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:34:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT. For the record......I would NOT want my son to become an LEO. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NYPD recently saw a 17.8% drop in applicants and another nearby department recently had a hiring exam and their number of applicants went down 37%. The NYPD guy in the story obviously hasn't looked into the history of his department, it was way more dangerous in the past. I think a lot of it also has to do with many of these departments paying crap. If you pay them, they will come. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:46:09 PM EDT
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That officer should not have that haircut, it accentuates his enormous fivehead. Whomever originated the fauxihawk should be pistol whipped! * As I read more posts I recalled that in the late 1970s when I started my career, minimum wage was under $3.00 an hour and was earning just under $6.00 an hour ($12,500 a year). To put that in prospective... now minimum wage is $7.25 an hour so that equates to about $14.00 an hour ($29k a year). I hope the starting salary for a street cop is more than that now. When my son was about 14 years old, out of the blue he said "Dad I really respect what you do, but I don't want to be a cop." My response was "That is the correct answer! LEO is not a well respected job to many. I would rather see you have a better paid, more respectable profession... like a criminal defense attorney or a drug dealer!"
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas seems to be doing pretty good and there are departments there that pay thousands more than I was making in NYC plus they have way better benefits and retirement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many departments in the south literally pay poverty wages. Even adjusted for cost of living difference my local cops here would need a 60% raise to be on par with what I made in NY and my department was the lowest paid in the area. Texas seems to be doing pretty good and there are departments there that pay thousands more than I was making in NYC plus they have way better benefits and retirement. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:55:42 PM EDT
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This is where you want ro be a cop Nowhere is where I want to be a cop. 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:56:19 PM EDT
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I don't know why anyone would get into this now. Go back to school in something more worthwhile.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit.... neither would I. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT. For the record......I would NOT want my son to become an LEO. Aloha, Mark I can't picture taking a job in an urban area of Ny. Some of the upstate cities have murder rates per capita similar to Detroit and none of the cops live in the cities. I talked to a guy who I suspect was retired buffalo pd last week. He said the down town was getting better but the schools were so bad you still couldn't live in the city with kids. Nothing is going to change with black urban crime. The school districts are even being sued for disciplining black make students disproportionately. I talked to a teacher who said they just don't bother disciplining kids, it is seen as a failure by the teacher, |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:59:18 PM EDT
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I don't know why anyone would get into this now. Go back to school in something more worthwhile. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't know why anyone would get into this now. Go back to school in something more worthwhile. Many here agree Quoted:
I would plant dope on my daughter to DQ her from being a cop, were she ever so foolish. Dead. Fucking. Serious. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:01:05 PM EDT
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Many departments in the south literally pay poverty wages. You can work full time and still be eligible for food stamps. Plus salary caps. How would you like to know that at no point in a lifetime of work, could you make more than 56k a year...that's the cap at a local dept back home. Standard pay is 28-36k a year. No way...no how. Not for double that. in 1999 my pay was $14400 a year Salary with a 55hr work week...worked two other side jobs...no over time but rather "Comp" time that I could never take and cashed in when I quit... the same department starts at $19,000.00 a year now....so even if you figure that out at a 40 hr work week it is $9.13 an hour |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:03:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nowhere is where I want to be a cop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is where you want ro be a cop Nowhere is where I want to be a cop. Though we have some trash that has moved in. They are punks not hardcore fuckers. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:06:11 PM EDT
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In 1999 my pay was $14400 a year Salary with a 55hr work week...worked two other side jobs...no over time but rather "Comp" time that I could never take and cashed in when I quit... the same department starts at $19,000.00 a year now....so even if you figure that out at a 40 hr work week it is $9.13 an hour Good lord. 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:06:13 PM EDT
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When I got out of law enforcement from a department that paid relatively well, I went to work at a Texaco Refinery as a laborer.
I more than doubled my salary. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nowhere is where I want to be a cop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is where you want ro be a cop Nowhere is where I want to be a cop. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:07:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I got out of law enforcement from a department that paid relatively well, I went to work at a Texaco Refinery as a laborer. I more than doubled my salary. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:08:46 PM EDT
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Good lord. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In 1999 my pay was $14400 a year Salary with a 55hr work week...worked two other side jobs...no over time but rather "Comp" time that I could never take and cashed in when I quit... so $5.03 an hour the same department starts at $19,000.00 a year now....so even if you figure that out at a 40 hr work week it is $9.13 an hour Good lord. and it is one of the higher paying Sheriffs Departments in the State of Oklahoma... 4th or 5th |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:09:40 PM EDT
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Will the police still vote D for that union cash money?
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:11:09 PM EDT
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Will the police still vote D for that union cash money? 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:12:43 PM EDT
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Worked for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah... fuck that. HS Diploma for me!
Worked for me. ditto |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:18:15 PM EDT
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What are the age requirements for new hires? Usually 21 |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will the police still vote D for that union cash money? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Extorris/Pics/0AAAEB83-88D7-4AB0-9701-2D81F064F0A2_zpsro8mzekr.jpg |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:22:37 PM EDT
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Summer of the Shark sensationalism.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:22:44 PM EDT
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it was way more dangerous in the past. . you mean way back in the good ole days of the 70's and 80's, when most cops were "shot out of a cannon" 'nam vets? the good ole days when nyc was on fire? when saying i am going to miami meant i am probably going to die? man i miss the good ole days.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:24:12 PM EDT
[#32]
I retired yesterday after 27 years. My decision to do was partly based on recent events. Sadly I don't see any improvement until the next election.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:24:28 PM EDT
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You mean way back in the good ole days of the 70's and 80's, when most cops were "shot out of a cannon" 'nam vets? the good ole days when nyc was on fire? when saying I am going to Miami meant I am probably going to die? man I miss the good ole days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it was way more dangerous in the past. You mean way back in the good ole days of the 70's and 80's, when most cops were "shot out of a cannon" 'nam vets? the good ole days when nyc was on fire? when saying I am going to Miami meant I am probably going to die? man I miss the good ole days. Yeah, back when the FALN was blowing cops up with bombs and the BLA was assassinating cops. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:24:56 PM EDT
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Time for the county sheriffs to start deputizing all their resident conceal carry permit holders, the willing and able anyway.
Maybe do an interview or screening, minimal PT test, etc. Hold it at a local high school track facility in the evenings for a week or two. I'd love to hear the libtards and our gov supported terrorist organizations scream like bled out sheep over that one. eta yes even citizen donut and whack-a-mole can volunteer if it means another body and gun to disrupt the bastardz and their murdering social engineering. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:26:36 PM EDT
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What are the age requirements for new hires? Usually 21 19 here (or it was, not sure about now. funny when your mom or dad have to buy your duty gun before the academy) |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:27:06 PM EDT
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I retired yesterday after 27 years. My decision to do was partly based on recent events. Sadly I don't see any improvement until the next election. congrats. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:29:44 PM EDT
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19 here (or it was, not sure about now. funny when your mom or dad have to buy your duty gun before the academy) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are the age requirements for new hires? Usually 21 19 here (or it was, not sure about now. funny when your mom or dad have to buy your duty gun before the academy) I was out of the academy and walking a footpost before I could legally drink. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:35:06 PM EDT
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Amen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is where you want ro be a cop Nowhere is where I want to be a cop. So say we all. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:36:11 PM EDT
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If anything this will hopefully filter out the useless ones that you can't count on for help when you need it. Ha! This crap is manufacturing them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:36:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I live in Plano. This is where you want ro be a cop Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many departments in the south literally pay poverty wages. Even adjusted for cost of living difference my local cops here would need a 60% raise to be on par with what I made in NY and my department was the lowest paid in the area. Texas seems to be doing pretty good and there are departments there that pay thousands more than I was making in NYC plus they have way better benefits and retirement. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:38:06 PM EDT
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Ha! This crap is manufacturing them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If anything this will hopefully filter out the useless ones that you can't count on for help when you need it. Ha! This crap is manufacturing them. This. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:38:12 PM EDT
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don't worry the feds are more then willing to lend a hand its all part of the plan. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:39:09 PM EDT
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Is it me but I feel like the days of anarchy are coming
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I got out of law enforcement from a department that paid relatively well, I went to work at a Texaco Refinery as a laborer. I more than doubled my salary. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:39:57 PM EDT
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It's all part of the administration's plan for a Federal police force. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the age requirements for new hires? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:40:58 PM EDT
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Recently had a interested (or at least formerly interested) applicant send me an e-mail to be removed from consideration (LE hiring).
His reason? "It simply isn't worth it anymore." Without sufficient applicants, standards will be lowered. Patrols must be done, squads must be manned....not a good trend. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:42:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was out of the academy and walking a footpost before I could legally drink. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What are the age requirements for new hires? Usually 21 19 here (or it was, not sure about now. funny when your mom or dad have to buy your duty gun before the academy) I was out of the academy and walking a footpost before I could legally drink. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:43:20 PM EDT
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Yeah, but that was back when black powder revolvers were new wonderful contraptions and the steam locomotive just got economical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I got out of law enforcement from a department that paid relatively well, I went to work at a Texaco Refinery as a laborer. I more than doubled my salary. There's no call for that sort of exaggeration. There were some cartridge conversions in use already I'm pretty sure. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Recently had a interested (or at least formerly interested) applicant send me an e-mail to be removed from consideration (LE hiring). His reason? "It simply isn't worth it anymore." Without sufficient applicants, standards will be lowered. Patrols must be done, squads must be manned....not a good trend. Department Standards and Policies for how many are needed for patrol can all be rewritten. My first agency did that. |
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