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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If she had strong personal convictions, she would quit her job. It is her job to either issues licenses iaw the law, or quit if she if her ethics make her unable to fulfill her responsibilities. Hopefully the fire her ass soon enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While I don't agree that using "God's authority" as the reason for your actions, she could simply say she has strong personal convictions and will not follow through with the order. But with that aside, I applaud her for standing up to these assholes. If she had strong personal convictions, she would quit her job. It is her job to either issues licenses iaw the law, or quit if she if her ethics make her unable to fulfill her responsibilities. Hopefully the fire her ass soon enough. This is correct. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:14:18 PM EDT
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Yep there are a lot of hypocrites here who's basic motivation is they enjoy hating other people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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but but what if it was a muslim in that position? Lol butt hurt. Yep there are a lot of hypocrites here who's basic motivation is they enjoy hating other people. You aren't kidding. It's like a lot of people here who are pushing Christian beliefs to be enforced by an elected official acting as part of the state haven't read the Bible... 1 Peter 2:13-17 sums up situations like this pretty damn clearly. Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. Acting as an agent of the state, she ought to obey. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah I kind of doubt she would be recalled unless the county was about to be bankrupted or something. Be interesting to see if she folds after her "Come to Jesus" talk with a federal judge thursday. edit looks like her flunkies are being dragged into federal court too, that's gotta suck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Moreover the people that elected her are okay with her stance...or else there would be clamor to have a recall vote. The POTUS has set this precedent over the past 6 years and everyone on the left has been okay with it...well the pendulum is starting to swing the other way and the left better get used to a new bunch of conservatives that are going to play the game acording the the rules the left has used. Be interesting to see if she folds after her "Come to Jesus" talk with a federal judge thursday. edit looks like her flunkies are being dragged into federal court too, that's gotta suck. The judge may throw the lot of them in jail even if the Plaintiffs don't request it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:15:55 PM EDT
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State's Rights, bitches.... Don't Tread On Me!!
If the gays don't like it, they can move to Commiefornia... Those "Laws" that "they" pass via bought and stolen votes in the middle of the night no longer matter...They are NOT my laws. These days, where you give a libtard an inch then he sues you for a mile, EVERY hill is a hill to die on. I, for one, am tired of turning the other cheek. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:16:59 PM EDT
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So if the sheriff decided not to issue carry permits because of his strong personal belief, you're okay with that? Please point out where in the Bill of Rights you are guaranteed the "right to Marry". 10th amendment. Which reads: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people The Federal government was not assigned the task to regulate marriage, thus according to the tenth, it's not the business of the federal government. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:17:04 PM EDT
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Sorry, I don't get it. Issuing the marriage license is taking part in a gay wedding, but working for the government that issues them is not? You work at the Gay Marriage Store. How is it okay with your religious beliefs to cash that paycheck?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:17:42 PM EDT
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She needs to be recalled. And what will you do when the people vote to keep her in office? Since this is probably what will happen in her area. Why do you think the gay couple's lawyer does not want jail time? Do you think they are trying to avoid creating a real live martyr in the debate? A Christian woman imprisoned for her religious beliefs held by a very large portion of America. The courts often push unpopular topics. And sometimes those topics take hold and the courts can change public opinion. Sometimes, like the Dred Scott decision, they do not and the people refuse to accept the apparent authority of the Supreme Court because the Court is on the wrong side of society and history. There is no right answer. Only history will tell us how this plays out and who was right and who was wrong. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:17:53 PM EDT
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Opening a business is not a religious ceremony. A marriage ceremony is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So let's say I'm elected County Court Clerk and one of my functions is to renew and issue business licenses. And let's say I am a good god-fearing christian at the time of my election. Fast forward 6 months and I convert to islam. I then have the personal belief that you cannot consume pork. Some guy wants to open a BBQ restaurant but I refuse to give him a business license. Please tell me how that would differ from this situation. Opening a business is not a religious ceremony. A marriage ceremony is. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:20:52 PM EDT
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You know the Puritans thought the opposite for some reason. They thought marriage was a contract and should be a governmental function, not a church function. Not sure of the reasoning behind that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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why should I have to get the government's permission to get married? Who gave the government the authority to decide who can marry and who cannot? The word "marriage" does not appear in the Constitution. Get the government out of the business of marriage. The Puritans turned into yankees. That they thought government should have a hand in everything is in no way surprising. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The judge may throw the lot of them in jail even if the Plaintiffs don't request it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Moreover the people that elected her are okay with her stance...or else there would be clamor to have a recall vote. The POTUS has set this precedent over the past 6 years and everyone on the left has been okay with it...well the pendulum is starting to swing the other way and the left better get used to a new bunch of conservatives that are going to play the game acording the the rules the left has used. Be interesting to see if she folds after her "Come to Jesus" talk with a federal judge thursday. edit looks like her flunkies are being dragged into federal court too, that's gotta suck. The judge may throw the lot of them in jail even if the Plaintiffs don't request it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:22:16 PM EDT
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Good.
Arrest, charge, and impeach her. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:24:06 PM EDT
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Fire her
I find it funny when people go nuts (rightfully so)about DC NYC cali not conforming to heller....but agree with this wacko Religion has no buisness in .gov Support freedom. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:25:39 PM EDT
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A. She is following state law.
B. Marriage licenses are not shall issue. If that was the case then polygamy would be legal. C. She is elected. She has discretion on what she does. She is not issuing to anyone. Prosecutors can chose to file or not file a case. A similar power. D. Federal court cannot tell a county executive how to do her job. Marriage is a power reserved to states and people respectively as it is not enumerated in constitution and is reserved to states and people via 10th amendment. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:25:42 PM EDT
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Doubletap
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:26:13 PM EDT
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Exactly. The ones getting lawyers and protesting should just go somewhere else to get married... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get over it or quit. Stop the attention whoring. Exactly. The ones getting lawyers and protesting should just go somewhere else to get married... The hill this lady is standing on, the one people here are saying is a worthwhile hill to die on, well that's the same hill the gay couples have chosen to make a stand too. If more gun owners made that stand instead of " going to the next county" quietly maybe we wouldn't be loosing ground on the 2a all the damn time. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:26:32 PM EDT
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Marriage license clerks are the new dentists.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:26:41 PM EDT
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Fire her I find it funny when people go nuts (rightfully so)about DC NYC cali not conforming to heller....but agree with this wacko Religion has no buisness in .gov Support freedom. Great way of looking at things! This is exactly the same scenario as states or individuals acting as agents of the various states ignoring the Heller ruling. I'm sure there are plenty of people on DU cheering them on, as well. Extremism horseshoe, the two "absolute opposite" teams have a whole lot more in common with each other than with the middle of the road folks... |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:29:31 PM EDT
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....and you'd be OK with law enforcement coming to take your ar15's because someone decides they should be........they're only doing their sworn duty.........to uphold the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I don't agree that using "God's authority" as the reason for your actions, she could simply say she has strong personal convictions and will not follow through with the order. But with that aside, I applaud her for standing up to these assholes. She is refusing to issue licenses to ANYBODY, not just gay couples. She's not doing the job she was elected to perform. In most career fields that gets you fired. ....and you'd be OK with law enforcement coming to take your ar15's because someone decides they should be........they're only doing their sworn duty.........to uphold the law. No I would expect them to quit on principle. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:29:38 PM EDT
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Good. why don't the gays just go to another county and get their license? Because that would be too easy......they want to throw a fit, and getting people to notice their "struggle".....just like BLM. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:29:59 PM EDT
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So, We are IN SUPPORT of Gay Rights now?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:31:06 PM EDT
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Because that would be too easy......they want to throw a fit, and getting people to notice their "struggle".....just like BLM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. why don't the gays just go to another county and get their license? Because that would be too easy......they want to throw a fit, and getting people to notice their "struggle".....just like BLM. Issuing the damn license and doing your job is just as easy, but she wants to throw a fit and get people to notice her "struggle"...just like BLM. This is fun. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:31:55 PM EDT
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You aren't kidding. It's like a lot of people here who are pushing Christian beliefs to be enforced by an elected official acting as part of the state haven't read the Bible... 1 Peter 2:13-17 sums up situations like this pretty damn clearly. Acting as an agent of the state, she ought to obey. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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but but what if it was a muslim in that position? Lol butt hurt. Yep there are a lot of hypocrites here who's basic motivation is they enjoy hating other people. You aren't kidding. It's like a lot of people here who are pushing Christian beliefs to be enforced by an elected official acting as part of the state haven't read the Bible... 1 Peter 2:13-17 sums up situations like this pretty damn clearly. Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. Acting as an agent of the state, she ought to obey. Because that has been shown to be such a good way to behave in the last 115 years, no problem with that whatsoever. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:32:54 PM EDT
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So, We are IN SUPPORT of Gay Rights now?
I have no problem with gay rights. Doesn't hurt me none if two adults want to get married. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:33:48 PM EDT
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So, We are IN SUPPORT of Gay Rights now?
I'm in favor of rights without precursors. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:34:26 PM EDT
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So, We are IN SUPPORT of Gay Rights now?
They are in support of the law, the same courts could deem your guns illegal and these same people would support the big jackbooted foot of government kick your ass if you refused to submit, BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:34:53 PM EDT
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I fail to understand, if she feels so strongly in her beliefs, why don't she just quit? Can't have your cake and eat it too. This. It's not her business. It's a government job. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:35:39 PM EDT
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State's Rights, bitches.... Don't Tread On Me!! If the gays don't like it, they can move to Commiefornia... Those "Laws" that "they" pass via bought and stolen votes in the middle of the night no longer matter...They are NOT my laws. These days, where you give a libtard an inch then he sues you for a mile, EVERY hill is a hill to die on. I, for one, am tired of turning the other cheek. How do you feel about "states' rights" when Chicago banned handguns, or CA said you can't carry? States' rights, yeah? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:37:04 PM EDT
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They are in support of the law, the same courts could deem your guns illegal and these same people would support the big jackbooted foot of government kick your ass if you refused to submit, BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, We are IN SUPPORT of Gay Rights now?
They are in support of the law, the same courts could deem your guns illegal and these same people would support the big jackbooted foot of government kick your ass if you refused to submit, BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW. Nope. One violates OUR rights, the other just burns YOUR ass. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:38:41 PM EDT
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I have no problem with gay rights. Doesn't hurt me none if two adults want to get married. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:39:46 PM EDT
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Please point out where in the Bill of Rights you are guaranteed the "right to Marry". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if the sheriff decided not to issue carry permits because of his strong personal belief, you're okay with that? Please point out where in the Bill of Rights you are guaranteed the "right to Marry". You say this in every thread, and in every thread someone explains to you that the fourteenth amendment is where this resides. How many times must you have this explained to you? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:42:24 PM EDT
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While I admire her conviction and standing up for what she believes in. She needs to get with the program and work under the law of the land.
I work in the court system with convicted felons everyday. My personal mantra is "Unfortunately bad guys have rights too." Everybody gay and straight are protected under the same set of rules, and afforded the same rights whether we like it or not. She signed on in an oath to serve that law. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Issuing the damn license and doing your job is just as easy, but she wants to throw a fit and get people to notice her "struggle"...just like BLM. This is fun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good. why don't the gays just go to another county and get their license? Because that would be too easy......they want to throw a fit, and getting people to notice their "struggle".....just like BLM. Issuing the damn license and doing your job is just as easy, but she wants to throw a fit and get people to notice her "struggle"...just like BLM. This is fun. Cease these triggering micro-agressions! |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:46:34 PM EDT
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I have no problem with gay rights. Doesn't hurt me none if two adults want to get married. Exactly. I don't give a damn what anyone does if it doesn't hurt me. The government shouldn't be in the marriage business to begin with. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:47:44 PM EDT
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So basically you're saying that religious people can't do some jobs because of their religous beliefs. An idea which would obviously violate various EEO regulations put forth by the feds. The flaw in your reasoning is that she's not a government employee directed to perform a job duty not of her choosing. She's an ELECTED Official who actually RAN for the office knowing what the duties are. I commend her for following her faith's principles. She did the right thing by legally contesting the decision. She has lost her appeal; now she must either comply with the ruling or resign her position. Sometimes being a Christian means having your own cross to bear. Apparently this is hers; many have had it much tougher. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:53:32 PM EDT
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A. She is following state law. B. Marriage licenses are not shall issue. If that was the case then polygamy would be legal. C. She is elected. She has discretion on what she does. She is not issuing to anyone. Prosecutors can chose to file or not file a case. A similar power. D. Federal court cannot tell a county executive how to do her job. Marriage is a power reserved to states and people respectively as it is not enumerated in constitution and is reserved to states and people via 10th amendment. 402.080 Marriage license required -- Who may issue. No marriage shall be solemnized without a license therefor. The license shall be issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides at the time, unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk. Although not sure how this is to apply to male-male couples, maybe lesbian couples are okay, but she could get out of two guys? The reality she's going to get smacked down by the courts and eventually fired. Even if the state law needs fixing. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:57:51 PM EDT
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Why should she quit her job because a couple of lunatics that no one elected decided to redefine civilization? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I fail to understand, if she feels so strongly in her beliefs, why don't she just quit? Can't have your cake and eat it too. Why should she quit her job because a couple of lunatics that no one elected decided to redefine civilization? why cant she just hire someone that either does not care or is not Christian to issue the marriage licenses? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:57:52 PM EDT
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What if she decided she wouldn't sign CCW or F4 apps. "Because of God"
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:01:22 PM EDT
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Which reads: The Federal government was not assigned the task to regulate marriage, thus according to the tenth, it's not the business of the federal government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if the sheriff decided not to issue carry permits because of his strong personal belief, you're okay with that? Please point out where in the Bill of Rights you are guaranteed the "right to Marry". 10th amendment. Which reads: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people The Federal government was not assigned the task to regulate marriage, thus according to the tenth, it's not the business of the federal government. There must be a way we can invoke the commerce clause here. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: why cant she just hire someone that either does not care or is not Christian to issue the marriage licenses? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I fail to understand, if she feels so strongly in her beliefs, why don't she just quit? Can't have your cake and eat it too. Why should she quit her job because a couple of lunatics that no one elected decided to redefine civilization? why cant she just hire someone that either does not care or is not Christian to issue the marriage licenses? Because that is the job she was elected to do. I can pretty much guarantee you that her constituents are pleased with her stance on this. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:03:22 PM EDT
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No. That's how tyranny moves forward. People roll over and over and over and next thing you know it's too late to make a stand. Fuck that. Stand your ground while you have ground left to stand on! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I fail to understand, if she feels so strongly in her beliefs, why don't she just quit? Can't have your cake and eat it too. Why should she quit her job because a couple of lunatics that no one elected decided to redefine civilization? Because she is sworn to uphold the law? If the law is changed (and it has been) then she needs to follow it or quit in protest. No. That's how tyranny moves forward. People roll over and over and over and next thing you know it's too late to make a stand. Fuck that. Stand your ground while you have ground left to stand on! So why does any single person get to decide who gets married or what is right... and where does it stop? My wife is Christian I am not... by some peoples beliefs we should not be allowed to marry... We also lived together before we got married so some people think we were living in "sin" and should not have been able to get married.. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:03:46 PM EDT
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Gay marriage is not the law. States and their citizens said no to gay marriage. The Supreme Court pissing on the states does not make it law any more than when they said obamacare is okay.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:04:01 PM EDT
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she isn't being forced to do shit she can either perform her job function or find another job. The same choice I have when my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do. Her religious beliefs don't change the requirements for a job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether or not you agree with her, you have to agree with what she's representing. If she can be forced to go against her religious beliefs, then what is freedom of religion? At that point, all it is is "Yes, you have freedom of religion, as long as we agree with you." Similarly - "yes, you have the right to keep and bear arms, but no one needs an assault weapon." she isn't being forced to do shit she can either perform her job function or find another job. The same choice I have when my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do. Her religious beliefs don't change the requirements for a job. That doesn't address the problem. Now the problem is, "Yes, you have freedom of religion. But if you believe certain things, you either can't hold public office or you have to go against your belief." |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:05:08 PM EDT
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Because that is the job she was elected to do. I can pretty much guarantee you that her constituents are pleased with her stance on this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I fail to understand, if she feels so strongly in her beliefs, why don't she just quit? Can't have your cake and eat it too. Why should she quit her job because a couple of lunatics that no one elected decided to redefine civilization? why cant she just hire someone that either does not care or is not Christian to issue the marriage licenses? Because that is the job she was elected to do. I can pretty much guarantee you that her constituents are pleased with her stance on this. And if her constituents were pleased that she refused to issue handgun permits because her religion made her take a stance against "gun violence"? The constitutional challenge on that would be swift and decisive. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:05:46 PM EDT
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is this like a Muslim cop claiming he can't arrest man who beats his wife because it's religiously OK.?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why does any single person get to decide who gets married or what is right... and where does it stop? My wife is Christian I am not... by some peoples beliefs we should not be allowed to marry... We also lived together before we got married so some people think we were living in "sin" and should not have been able to get married.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I fail to understand, if she feels so strongly in her beliefs, why don't she just quit? Can't have your cake and eat it too. Why should she quit her job because a couple of lunatics that no one elected decided to redefine civilization? Because she is sworn to uphold the law? If the law is changed (and it has been) then she needs to follow it or quit in protest. No. That's how tyranny moves forward. People roll over and over and over and next thing you know it's too late to make a stand. Fuck that. Stand your ground while you have ground left to stand on! So why does any single person get to decide who gets married or what is right... and where does it stop? My wife is Christian I am not... by some peoples beliefs we should not be allowed to marry... We also lived together before we got married so some people think we were living in "sin" and should not have been able to get married.. Why does a 5-4 Supreme Court majority get to redefine the cornerstone of human civilization? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:06:38 PM EDT
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Whether or not you agree with her, you have to agree with what she's representing. If she can be forced to go against her religious beliefs, then what is freedom of religion? At that point, all it is is "Yes, you have freedom of religion, as long as we agree with you." Similarly - "yes, you have the right to keep and bear arms, but no one needs an assault weapon." her beliefs are for her....not for her to force onto others.... |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:06:43 PM EDT
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Why does a 5-4 Supreme Court majority get to redefine the cornerstone of human civilization? Just so I can get a handle on the depths of absurdity involved, are you really implying that human civilization is ending because of this? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:07:01 PM EDT
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She needs to be recalled. Bull Shit...she is doing nothing the fucking president isnt doing...picking which laws to enforce. .. In other words, you're ok with this type of behavior? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:07:11 PM EDT
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Oh look a couple of queers starting trouble.  I think its funny how they believe if they get married and act like heterosexual couples they think their normal people. I hope they never get issued a marriage license. Fucking weirdos.So you are perfect in every way? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:08:05 PM EDT
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Would it change opinions here to learn she hasn't been approving ANY marriage licenses at all?
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