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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:32:15 AM EDT
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That scaffold is pretty scary by itself........
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:32:36 AM EDT
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Who gets fucked the worst by an improved Panama Canal? I remember reading business will shift from some places, but can't remember the details.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:32:39 AM EDT
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Do you know how many Ferraris and semesters at Harvard a few air pockets in a concrete pour of that size can buy?
Corruption and incompetence in the Second/Third World construction...dog bites man. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:33:13 AM EDT
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Concrete mix looks like shit and it won't hold
They'll have to rip out and mix the concrete correctly |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:33:21 AM EDT
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Oooo that's bad
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:33:24 AM EDT
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I thought it was a European country that was handling the Panamax? In any case, incorrect concrete consolidation will do that. ETA - Yes, sort of GUPC is a consortium made up of Sacyr Vallehermoso of Spain as its head, with Impregilo of Italy, Jan De Nul of Belgium and Constructura Urbana, SA (CUSA) of Panama. Was thinking of Jan De Nul who I think made the sliding gates. Spain? lol |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:35:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no. This is done by those who never knew. Don't know it and try it anyway. tear it all out and start again. ... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. no. This is done by those who never knew. Don't know it and try it anyway. tear it all out and start again. ... Agreed. I'll bet some Americans eventually straighten up that mess. Management/engineering, not performing the labor. IIRC, the French made a mess of the canal project a century ago. Americans came in and finished the job. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:35:40 AM EDT
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Time to start using Cape Horn again.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:35:41 AM EDT
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Thank goodness shit like that wouldn't happen here, in a first world country. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ominous-signs-of-problems-with-new-Bay-Bridge-s-6244776.php *cough* |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:36:04 AM EDT
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The shit I see from The Chinese contractors here try to pull is amazing and even out paces the Saudi companies and their fucking retardedness,
Structural concrete is fairly simple once you have an approved mix that meets the 7 day and 28 day break tests. The trick is pouring it in really fucking hot temperatures, doing large pours with no cold joints and having the integrity to dump the load of a 12 cubic meter mud truck on the ground when it doesn't meet temp, air content and slump, this requires integrity...the Chinese and the Saudis do not know the meaning of that word. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:38:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank goodness shit like that wouldn't happen here, in a first world country. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ominous-signs-of-problems-with-new-Bay-Bridge-s-6244776.php *cough* |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:39:36 AM EDT
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Carter gave the canal to China
Chinese concrete....what could go wrong? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:41:49 AM EDT
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They used Ancient Chinese Sakrete. (old guys will understand that) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank goodness shit like that wouldn't happen here, in a first world country. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ominous-signs-of-problems-with-new-Bay-Bridge-s-6244776.php *cough* I'm old, I understand. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:00:18 AM EDT
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WOW - that is shit work - exactly what I would expect from China - Nothing like going with the lowest bidder.
On a side note - I am always awe struck at the scale of this thing. In the video when you see how small the guys look and then it pans out and you see how small that step is. Crazy. And agreed no way in hell I'd be down there - I would be saying send that Chinese fucker down there. Any one got an over under on how many days until it completely fails? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:02:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:04:51 AM EDT
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Thank goodness shit like that wouldn't happen here, in a first world country. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ominous-signs-of-problems-with-new-Bay-Bridge-s-6244776.php *cough* Big dig, too? Corruption in Libtard states' construction? Dog bites man. 
TC |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:07:33 AM EDT
[#17]
How hard can it be?
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:10:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. I'll bet some Americans eventually straighten up that mess. Management/engineering, not performing the labor. IIRC, the French made a mess of the canal project a century ago. Americans came in and finished the job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. no. This is done by those who never knew. Don't know it and try it anyway. tear it all out and start again. ... Agreed. I'll bet some Americans eventually straighten up that mess. Management/engineering, not performing the labor. IIRC, the French made a mess of the canal project a century ago. Americans came in and finished the job. www.goettle.com Did quite a bit of work there in some capacity fixing fuck ups and doing the expansion, my guess is they will get a call again. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:12:06 AM EDT
[#19]
Looks like they dumped some mortar mix in there and sprayed water on it.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:17:14 AM EDT
[#20]
Video of leak. The video is pointed at the leak on the bottom, but the lock also seems to be leaking on the right side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbnQs-qMqsM |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:20:39 AM EDT
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad: 
http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Uh-oh hotdog! |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:21:10 AM EDT
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Me Chinese. Me play joke. Me put peepee in your coke. China, as far as can be ascertained, is not involved in the Panama Canal upgrade. A China-backed company is however is involved in a scheme for the Nicaragua Interoceanic Grand Canal, which seems to have been aborted. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:24:13 AM EDT
[#24]
They should buy a shitload of the pork fried rice my local Chinese restaurant sells. Spackle that shit in there tight and wait 45 minutes. Hard as a rock.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:25:36 AM EDT
[#25]
The good news is the guy on the scaffolding has a harness on for when it gets washed away.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:26:20 AM EDT
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Sum Ting Wong. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:00:23 PM EDT
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. I believe it's called "I don't give a fuck",spoken in several different languages. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:03:55 PM EDT
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That would imply that they knew how to do them correctly in the first place and that is not the case. Chinese are great at copying things however when you look close at quality it is just not there. http://online.wsj.com/media/shbuilding_E_20100211045212.jpg http://www.globaltimes.cn/attachment/110601/51beab82c6.jpg http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jun2009/ChinaBuildingStandards.htm http://cdn.archinect.net/images/514x/cf/cfvzvtt0u5o5buf0.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. That would imply that they knew how to do them correctly in the first place and that is not the case. Chinese are great at copying things however when you look close at quality it is just not there. http://online.wsj.com/media/shbuilding_E_20100211045212.jpg http://www.globaltimes.cn/attachment/110601/51beab82c6.jpg http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jun2009/ChinaBuildingStandards.htm http://cdn.archinect.net/images/514x/cf/cfvzvtt0u5o5buf0.jpg Well,in all fairness,in the first picture,the building held together very well to have fallen on it's side. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:09:17 PM EDT
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Well,in all fairness,in the first picture,the building held together very well to have fallen on it's side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. That would imply that they knew how to do them correctly in the first place and that is not the case. Chinese are great at copying things however when you look close at quality it is just not there. http://online.wsj.com/media/shbuilding_E_20100211045212.jpg http://www.globaltimes.cn/attachment/110601/51beab82c6.jpg http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jun2009/ChinaBuildingStandards.htm http://cdn.archinect.net/images/514x/cf/cfvzvtt0u5o5buf0.jpg Well,in all fairness,in the first picture,the building held together very well to have fallen on it's side. Your glass is always half full, I bet. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:11:30 PM EDT
[#30]
commies are famous for putting too much aggregate in their concrete
saves money, makes shit grade crumbly concrete |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:18:15 PM EDT
[#31]
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Thank goodness shit like that wouldn't happen here, in a first world country. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ominous-signs-of-problems-with-new-Bay-Bridge-s-6244776.php *cough* CA doesn't count. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:29:52 PM EDT
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They used Ancient Chinese Sakrete. (old guys will understand that) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank goodness shit like that wouldn't happen here, in a first world country. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ominous-signs-of-problems-with-new-Bay-Bridge-s-6244776.php *cough* 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:31:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:32:52 PM EDT
[#34]
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. Funny - I had an hour long conversation about that very topic, yesterday. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:39:31 PM EDT
[#35]
I fail to see a problem here. After all, it is stopping most of the water, isn't it? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:46:47 PM EDT
[#36]
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No way I'd be standing next to that thing after seeing the leaks, and core sample. I'm impressed that the scaffolds aren't lashed up bamboo. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:50:27 PM EDT
[#37]
Buy Chinese, get Chinese quality. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:50:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Isn't Nicaragua building a big canal to make the Panama canal a relic? I remember some brouhaha about that.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:56:34 PM EDT
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How would you like to be living down stream from a large dam in China? "What? The dam bloke?" 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:09:48 PM EDT
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Just think how expensive it will be when it fails when a ship is in transit and blocks a channel as it sits high and dry.
plus all the traffic that will be backed up, global trade will be at a standstill for some items till the ship gets moved and off loaded. I wonder how many people have died so far on this project. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:17:12 PM EDT
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The contract was awarded to international consortium Grupo Unidos por el Canal, S.A. (GUPC).
COMPANY Grupo Unidos por el Canal Consortium Members: Sacyr Vallehermoso S.A. – Leader (Spain) Impregilo S.p.A. – (Italy) Jan de Nul n.v. – (Belgium) Constructora Urbana, S.A. – (Panama) Designers (subcontractors): Montgomery Watson Harza (MWH) – Leader (United States) IV-Groep – (Holland) Tetra Tech – (United States) Gate Manufacturers (subcontractor): Cimolai – (Italy) ETA link. http://micanaldepanama.com/expansion/faq/ Italian manufacture means Chinese quality without the cost savings. . |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:18:22 PM EDT
[#42]
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. People want things done cheap. they forget quality cost money |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:19:15 PM EDT
[#43]
I'm a retired lock and dam operator. No way in hell would I be anywhere close to that.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:33:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:37:36 PM EDT
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No way I'd be standing next to that thing after seeing the leaks, and core sample. Did they stop and start the pour? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:39:20 PM EDT
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad:
http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Damn . |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:40:13 PM EDT
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That's some pretty piss poor QC. Vibrators aren't just for lonely women ya know. and no QA. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:43:20 PM EDT
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Spain? lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought it was a European country that was handling the Panamax? In any case, incorrect concrete consolidation will do that. ETA - Yes, sort of GUPC is a consortium made up of Sacyr Vallehermoso of Spain as its head, with Impregilo of Italy, Jan De Nul of Belgium and Constructura Urbana, SA (CUSA) of Panama. Was thinking of Jan De Nul who I think made the sliding gates. Spain? lol And Italy. rofl |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 2:13:23 PM EDT
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Looks like Bechtel (American company) gave them a proposal for a design that used more concrete. But the Panama Canal Authority went with a cheaper design.
gcaptain.com/panama-canal-expansion-lowball-bid |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 3:05:13 PM EDT
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Cheaper cheaper cheaper. That's what everyone wants now. |
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