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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:29:58 PM EDT
It was ww1 and my great grandfather said he was issued a Colt revolver in stead of a 1911.
But he lost it in no mans land. We all heard that story before. Fast forward almost 40 years and my grandfather was clearing mines in France. What does he find. Not his Colt but a Colt just like it. The trigger being back and hammer down may be a sad reminder that someone was holding it when it was buried. But he brought it back and told my great grandfather not to lose it again. Would we need a ffl transfer? I was just going to drop it in a box and mail it. 
To a gunsmith friend of mine as a conversation piece. Drop it in a box and fire it off? Every good smith has some cool stuff on the walls. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:33:48 PM EDT
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Your gunsmith friend is an FFL, no? Not sure how he'd write the serial #.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:34:57 PM EDT
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No. It is an inoperable piece of art.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:36:21 PM EDT
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Just out of school and still doing paperwork for one.
I just thought it would make good luck gift. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:37:50 PM EDT
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Rusted beyond inoperable and no legible serial number, I'd say no need to transfer it.
Cool story too  |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:40:49 PM EDT
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Your grandfather found it and you want to give it away?
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:45:47 PM EDT
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Why would you give that away?
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:46:03 PM EDT
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Your grandfather found it and you want to give it away? That's a how I read it as well. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 8:52:16 PM EDT
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Well my daughter is uninterested and facing some serious health concerns and losing the house I need to find homes for stuff I've had for years and pass along the story's. No real family to pass it to so why not. I've made a lot of good friends here and If I want to pass along some things I can't store or move.
I will. It's not like I drove down the road and threw them out. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:55:13 PM EDT
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<----FFL
Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. Would we need a ffl transfer? I was just going to drop it in a box and mail it If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Quoted:
No. It is an inoperable piece of art. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm.
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Rusted beyond inoperable and no legible serial number, I'd say no need to transfer it. You need to read you some ATF regs. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:52:58 PM EDT
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He will have the ffl.He is just getting off the ground now. I was under the assumption if a firearm was sent for repair it didn't need a transfer.
Just as if you sent something back to Ruger. Now if it's unrepairable and he says it's junk. Does the transfer rule apply? . It's just a conversation piece but I do get your point. Good luck getting a serial # off it. I think my question would have been more correctly phrased as do you think the would take the time to throw me in the slammer over this one? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:58:45 PM EDT
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once a handgun always a handgun if it was built after a certain period. to make it not considered one it would have to be destroyed per BATFE guidelines. this is how i understand it
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck getting a serial # off it Maybe a little acid to pull the number up as can be done with ground off SNs
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:12:11 PM EDT
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He will have the ffl.He is just getting off the ground now. Will have or does have an FFL? Until he has the license in hand he should not be receiving any firearms period. I was under the assumption if a firearm was sent for repair it didn't need a transfer. What do you think a transfer is? If you ship it to a licensee......it just transferred. All that is required under federal law is that an interstate shipment of a firearm be received by a licensed dealer. Just as if you sent something back to Ruger. Shipping to any FFL is exactly the same. Now if it's unrepairable and he says it's junk. Does the transfer rule apply? Federal law allows for the direct return of a repaired or replacement firearm of the same kind and type. This means if you ship a firearm to Ruger or Bubbas Gun Plumbing Inc...........it can be returned directly to you. Understand that not all gunsmiths or manufacturers will do this. They only want to ship to another licensee. He has already received it. Then WTH are you asking about? if you already mailed it you cannot undo what has been done. It's just a conversation piece but I do get your point. Good luck getting a serial # off it. I think my question would have been more correctly phrased as do you think the would take the time to throw me in the slammer over this one? Is it worth never being able to hold/own/possess a firearm again? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:13:26 PM EDT
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once a handgun always a handgun if it was built after a certain period. to make it not considered one it would have to be destroyed per BATFE guidelines. this is how i understand it Geebus as bad as it is your saying I should cut it up too? That would ruin it's collect ability. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:23:05 PM EDT
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He will have the ffl.He is just getting off the ground now. Will have or does have an FFL? Until he has the license in hand he should not be receiving any firearms period. I was under the assumption if a firearm was sent for repair it didn't need a transfer. What do you think a transfer is? If you ship it to a licensee......it just transferred. All that is required under federal law is that an interstate shipment of a firearm be received by a licensed dealer. Just as if you sent something back to Ruger. Shipping to any FFL is exactly the same. Now if it's unrepairable and he says it's junk. Does the transfer rule apply? Federal law allows for the direct return of a repaired or replacement firearm of the same kind and type. This means if you ship a firearm to Ruger or Bubbas Gun Plumbing Inc...........it can be returned directly to you. Understand that not all gunsmiths or manufacturers will do this. They only want to ship to another licensee. He has already received it. Then WTH are you asking about? if you already mailed it you cannot undo what has been done. It's just a conversation piece but I do get your point. Good luck getting a serial # off it. I think my question would have been more correctly phrased as do you think the would take the time to throw me in the slammer over this one? Is it worth never being able to hold/own/possess a firearm again? That was taken out of context. What I meant to say was if he already received it and said it was junk. Right now it's a paper weight on my desk. He being much younger than I and just getting started might like it to hang on the wall. I want to send it he hasn't touched it. But it would be sent under the pretext of a possible repair. I will let a trained gunsmith make the call. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:24:31 PM EDT
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Never mind see its all "hypothetical" now
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:24:56 PM EDT
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<----FFL Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm.
You need to read you some ATF regs.
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<----FFL Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. Would we need a ffl transfer? I was just going to drop it in a box and mail it If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Quoted:
No. It is an inoperable piece of art. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm.
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Rusted beyond inoperable and no legible serial number, I'd say no need to transfer it. You need to read you some ATF regs.
You should pull the line from the book describing how to transfer a gun with no make, model, or serial number, that is rusted completely beyond repair. I'm just curious. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He will have the ffl.He is just getting off the ground now. I was under the assumption if a firearm was sent for repair it didn't need a transfer. Just as if you sent something back to Ruger. Now if it's unrepairable and he says it's junk. Does the transfer rule apply? . It's just a conversation piece but I do get your point. Good luck getting a serial # off it. I think my question would have been more correctly phrased as do you think the would take the time to throw me in the slammer over this one? He has to log it into his bound book Do not make yourself a test case  |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:29:51 PM EDT
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I wouldn't send it to a non licensee..
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: <----FFL Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm. You need to read you some ATF regs. Quote HistoryQuoted: <----FFL Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. Would we need a ffl transfer? I was just going to drop it in a box and mail it If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Quoted: No. It is an inoperable piece of art. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm. Quoted: Rusted beyond inoperable and no legible serial number, I'd say no need to transfer it. You need to read you some ATF regs. What would constitute making it that way? I have seen demilled guns in way better condition than that. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:38:17 PM EDT
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I see your point I just never thought a interesting relic could be so encumbered in paperwork.
Jesus H I could just call it scrap metal. But I thought it would be a cool gift. He said he will ask the ATF in the morning and find out. But all the old smiths I went to had all kinds of backed over rusted relics hanging on the walls for people to handle when he was putting on a set of sights or fitting a barrel or removing a stuck cartridge.. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:08:44 AM EDT
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So that's not sufficiently demilitarized? What would constitute making it that way? I have seen demilled guns in way better condition than that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<----FFL Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. Would we need a ffl transfer? I was just going to drop it in a box and mail it If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Quoted:
No. It is an inoperable piece of art. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm.
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Rusted beyond inoperable and no legible serial number, I'd say no need to transfer it. You need to read you some ATF regs.
What would constitute making it that way? I have seen demilled guns in way better condition than that. I like your thinking here. We will see. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:21:10 AM EDT
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I would reverse electrolyze that just for fun.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:25:48 AM EDT
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You are way, way, way overthinking this.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:26:47 AM EDT
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Good God. If you would have just kept your mouth closed.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:35:07 AM EDT
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It was buried in WW1 and recovered in WW2 It takes a lot of weight or a big impact to bend the frame to the right.
Plus that trigger back and hammer dropped also. If had been fired and tossed the trigger should have returned to double action. Then what could have blown the cylinder clean out of it? I really wish it could talk. As relics go I find it interesting. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:38:56 AM EDT
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Good God. If you would have just kept your mouth closed. What and send it without any thought to it. Is it a lump or not that's why I threw it out. A gift shouldn't cause him problems in later years. I wish him good luck. As it is it's just a club. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 12:43:11 AM EDT
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You are way, way, way overthinking this. Who me I just wanted to send it. Or them who say your in big trouble if you do it. It poses a difficult question though. I never really thought it would be this hard and just send it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:22:06 AM EDT
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Good God. If you would have just kept your mouth closed. Yeah, just toss it in the mail and hope some nosy Nelly libtard post office worker doesn't find it and call their contact at the ATF about it. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:26:17 AM EDT
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It would here
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:31:39 AM EDT
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Yeah, just toss it in the mail and hope some nosy Nelly libtard post office worker doesn't find it and call their contact at the ATF about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good God. If you would have just kept your mouth closed. Yeah, just toss it in the mail and hope some nosy Nelly libtard post office worker doesn't find it and call their contact at the ATF about it. He claims he's sending it to an FFL. Now, if the FFL didn't log it because he actually owned it for several years before he got his FFL............. OP, you're beyond overthinking it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 1:41:16 AM EDT
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He claims he's sending it to an FFL. Now, if the FFL didn't log it because he actually owned it for several years before he got his FFL............. OP, you're beyond overthinking it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good God. If you would have just kept your mouth closed. Yeah, just toss it in the mail and hope some nosy Nelly libtard post office worker doesn't find it and call their contact at the ATF about it. He claims he's sending it to an FFL. Now, if the FFL didn't log it because he actually owned it for several years before he got his FFL............. OP, you're beyond overthinking it. Agreed, assuming the guy has an FFL he should be good to go. I was referring to the "keep your mouth shut" comment as if he was doing something illegal. Well that's all fine and good but that package has to go through a lot of hands before it reaches it's destination, alotta nosy clumsy hands. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:47:38 AM EDT
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Bumping this for the morning crew. It's a conversation piece. Really could the ATF think it could be returned ti a firing condition?
I still think someones finger was holding that trigger back. Such a shame something like this could get caught up in regulations. I would like to see what the early risers think of this. It shouldn't be this hard in this instance. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:48:53 AM EDT
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Who me I just wanted to send it. Or them who say your in big trouble if you do it. It poses a difficult question though. I never really thought it would be this hard and just send it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are way, way, way overthinking this. Who me I just wanted to send it. Or them who say your in big trouble if you do it. It poses a difficult question though. I never really thought it would be this hard and just send it. It isn't. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 5:46:59 PM EDT
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It's a conversation piece. It's a firearm and a conversation piece. Really could the ATF think it could be returned ti a firing condition? It's a revolver frame..........that's a firearm. Whether its rusted has no bearing. I still think someones finger was holding that trigger back. Such a shame something like this could get caught up in regulations. I would like to see what the early risers think of this. It shouldn't be this hard in this instance. What the early risers think is immaterial. ATF regs are damn clear. Whether you choose to follow them is up to you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's a conversation piece. It's a firearm and a conversation piece. Really could the ATF think it could be returned ti a firing condition? It's a revolver frame..........that's a firearm. Whether its rusted has no bearing. I still think someones finger was holding that trigger back. Such a shame something like this could get caught up in regulations. I would like to see what the early risers think of this. It shouldn't be this hard in this instance. What the early risers think is immaterial. ATF regs are damn clear. Whether you choose to follow them is up to you. Who me I just wanted to send it.
Then put it in a box and ship it FedEx to your gunsmith friend. Or them who say your in big trouble if you do it. You either haven't read or understood anything posted by another gun dealer. It poses a difficult question though. I never really thought it would be this hard and just send it. For fucks sake......it isn't hard at all. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 5:55:07 PM EDT
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You should pull the line from the book describing how to transfer a gun with no make, model, or serial number, that is rusted completely beyond repair. I'm just curious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<----FFL Please ignore the Einsteins. It's a firearm. Federal law/ATF regulations apply to rusty guns just like any other. Would we need a ffl transfer? I was just going to drop it in a box and mail it If your friend is a gunsmith he better have an FFL. YOU can't mail it because only licensed dealers and manufacurers can mail firearms other than rifles or shotguns. You can use UPS/FedEx to ship it to the gunsmith. Quoted:
No. It is an inoperable piece of art. Uh, no..........whether a firearm is inoperable is immaterial. it's still a firearm.
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Rusted beyond inoperable and no legible serial number, I'd say no need to transfer it. You need to read you some ATF regs.
You should pull the line from the book describing how to transfer a gun with no make, model, or serial number, that is rusted completely beyond repair. I'm just curious. There are many post 1898 firearms that do not have a manufacturer, model or serial number on them. That does not change the fact that they are considered firearms under federal law. Serial #'s were not required until passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act. To answer your question: If the dealer cannot determine what the manufacturer or model is he writes "Unknown" or "None". For firearms with no serial#....."No serial number" or "NSN". |
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