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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:15:52 PM EDT
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Well, it's pretty much an ICE issue. State and local police in Southern Texas call BP all the time with illegals, and BP picks them up and deports them (rarely, they prosecute them). Also, unless cops in every other state than TX and AZ are somehow different, they can make arrests on Federal felonies committed in their presence all they want. They just can't investigate them to any significant extent. Texas DPS arrests alien smugglers all the time. Texas DPS arrest smugglers on state laws. Not immigration violations. Human trafficking..... |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:20:09 PM EDT
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State's can pass/enforce laws requiring compliance with federal law. Just like MGs and countless other issues. Failure to comply is a violation of state law. That was hard Labor laws are strictly enforced... Unless you hire illegals on pupose. Then you can do what ever you want. We can enforce the national electrical code, building codes, tax codes and DOT federal laws everywhere.... Including with significant local cooperation. But everyone with a badge washes their hands of this at every level. Don't we have federal cops here. Thousands of illegals in a meat packing plant for decades. You can't find any code enforcement or parallel laws? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't police arrest people who hire illegals? Felonies, tax evasion, ongoing criminal conspiracy, RICO, perjury, asset forfiture, civil liability, etc. Lots of legal tools. Please provide the statutes that they can enforce. State, County, or Municipal Law Enforcement cannot enforce federal immigration laws. Just because someone is hiring illegals doesn't mean they are violating other laws. Your method of thinking sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. State's can pass/enforce laws requiring compliance with federal law. Just like MGs and countless other issues. Failure to comply is a violation of state law. That was hard Labor laws are strictly enforced... Unless you hire illegals on pupose. Then you can do what ever you want. We can enforce the national electrical code, building codes, tax codes and DOT federal laws everywhere.... Including with significant local cooperation. But everyone with a badge washes their hands of this at every level. Don't we have federal cops here. Thousands of illegals in a meat packing plant for decades. You can't find any code enforcement or parallel laws? Those jurisdictions pass legislation and laws that mirror federal law, or require adherence to. No such law exists in the state legislatures for immigration. If that's what you want, contact your legislator. Cops can't just make up laws to enforce. Yes, the feds should be enforcing the thousands at a meat packing plant you keep mentioning. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:22:07 PM EDT
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Bro, do you even 287g program? "The 287(g) program, one of ICE’s top partnership initiatives, allows a state and local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA). The state or local entity receives delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions." Source: http://www.ice.gov/287g/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't police arrest people who hire illegals? Felonies, tax evasion, ongoing criminal conspiracy, RICO, perjury, asset forfiture, civil liability, etc. Lots of legal tools. Please provide the statutes that they can enforce. State, County, or Municipal Law Enforcement cannot enforce federal immigration laws. Just because someone is hiring illegals doesn't mean they are violating other laws. Your method of thinking sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Bro, do you even 287g program? "The 287(g) program, one of ICE’s top partnership initiatives, allows a state and local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA). The state or local entity receives delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions." Source: http://www.ice.gov/287g/ So show the MOAs in Texas, or other states. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:23:45 PM EDT
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Code Enforcement, what will you do, fine them? Only the feds can deport Illegal Immigrants. Law Enforcement can arrest and incarcerate all the damn illegals they can for violations of state or local law. They will also call ICE until they are blue in the face, but if they choose to not pick them up there isn't a damn thing local/county/state LE can do. Be prepared to be sued if efforts are made otherwise, especially with the current DOJ. You know what a "pretext stop" is? You can do that with employers, too. We're here to make sure you have workers' comp insurance (massive fines here for that, if you don't). State-level "OSHA" agencies are notorious nitpickers as well. Again, MASSIVE fines for all kinds of stupid shit. Oh, I see you have a lot more employees than your quarterly state employment filings reflect. We're going to need to do an audit of all your financial and payroll records for the last 6 years. Enjoy. Good Luck with that. Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:24:10 PM EDT
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Speak for yourself. I rather arrest such people then say two bit drug users. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because they don't give a shit. Speak for yourself. I rather arrest such people then say two bit drug users. I didn't lose sleep over things that were above my pay grade. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:25:26 PM EDT
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I didn't lose sleep over things that were above my pay grade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because they don't give a shit. Speak for yourself. I rather arrest such people then say two bit drug users. I didn't lose sleep over things that were above my pay grade. I'm guessing you didn't lose sleep over anything job related. Unless it involved threats to change the dental or retirement plans. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:25:26 PM EDT
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Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Code Enforcement, what will you do, fine them? Only the feds can deport Illegal Immigrants. Law Enforcement can arrest and incarcerate all the damn illegals they can for violations of state or local law. They will also call ICE until they are blue in the face, but if they choose to not pick them up there isn't a damn thing local/county/state LE can do. Be prepared to be sued if efforts are made otherwise, especially with the current DOJ. You know what a "pretext stop" is? You can do that with employers, too. We're here to make sure you have workers' comp insurance (massive fines here for that, if you don't). State-level "OSHA" agencies are notorious nitpickers as well. Again, MASSIVE fines for all kinds of stupid shit. Oh, I see you have a lot more employees than your quarterly state employment filings reflect. We're going to need to do an audit of all your financial and payroll records for the last 6 years. Enjoy. Good Luck with that. Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. So, tell me the "loitering" law in your state. There isn't one in Texas. If HD wants those guys to leave, they can criminal trespass them and the cops WILL enforce that. ;) |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:27:06 PM EDT
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So, tell me the "loitering" law in your state. There isn't one in Texas. If HD wants those guys to leave, they can criminal trespass them and the cops WILL enforce that. ;) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. So, tell me the "loitering" law in your state. There isn't one in Texas. If HD wants those guys to leave, they can criminal trespass them and the cops WILL enforce that. ;) Localities here are authorized to enact them Yes, trespass would work too, but that requires cooperation of HD. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:39:59 PM EDT
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Negative. There are no local or state laws for locals and state LE to enforce. Negative. The local cops want paperwork on machine guns because THE STATE has laws regulating that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't police arrest people who hire illegals? Felonies, tax evasion, ongoing criminal conspiracy, RICO, perjury, asset forfiture, civil liability, etc. Lots of legal tools. Those are all Federal statutes, except in very narrow instances local PD's are not empowered to enforce Federal Statute Are there no federal courts and federal enforcement of other federal laws in these states? Local, state and federal enforcement is absent on this issue. All are to blame. If I use a MG local cops demand to see tax records as proof of innocence from federal law.
But a meat packing plant with thousands of illegal employees and no one goes to jail. Decade after decade. The state's have laws regulating labor practices, reporting, taxes, licences, insurance, work place safety, etc. State laws violated when the employer hired illegals and lies to the government. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:42:28 PM EDT
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So show the MOAs in Texas, or other states. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't police arrest people who hire illegals? Felonies, tax evasion, ongoing criminal conspiracy, RICO, perjury, asset forfiture, civil liability, etc. Lots of legal tools. Please provide the statutes that they can enforce. State, County, or Municipal Law Enforcement cannot enforce federal immigration laws. Just because someone is hiring illegals doesn't mean they are violating other laws. Your method of thinking sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Bro, do you even 287g program? "The 287(g) program, one of ICE’s top partnership initiatives, allows a state and local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA). The state or local entity receives delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions." Source: http://www.ice.gov/287g/ So show the MOAs in Texas, or other states. Harris Texas hiring 9 more deputies for the 287(g) program. Florida Sheriff's Office ICE team arrests Here's one in my state using local laws and action similar to dbrown1's suggestion. The only problem is the 287g program was successful, too successful and with the current administrations curtailing of a lot of enforcement it isn't being used. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:42:28 PM EDT
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I'm guessing you didn't lose sleep over anything job related. Unless it involved threats to change the dental or retirement plans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because they don't give a shit. Speak for yourself. I rather arrest such people then say two bit drug users. I didn't lose sleep over things that were above my pay grade. I'm guessing you didn't lose sleep over anything job related. Unless it involved threats to change the dental or retirement plans. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:50:19 PM EDT
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I'm guessing you didn't lose sleep over anything job related. Unless it involved threats to change the dental or retirement plans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't lose sleep over things that were above my pay grade. I'm guessing you didn't lose sleep over anything job related. Unless it involved threats to change the dental or retirement plans. Damn right. One's important to me, the other isn't |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:50:49 PM EDT
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this is my plan to combat illegal imigration
hire an illegal - $1000 fine turn in an employer hiring illegals - $500 reward fines and rewards can be collected and paid by any law enforcement agency every 6 months the fines and rewards double i dont think it would take more than 2 years Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:52:51 PM EDT
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So, tell me the "loitering" law in your state. There isn't one in Texas. If HD wants those guys to leave, they can criminal trespass them and the cops WILL enforce that. ;) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Code Enforcement, what will you do, fine them? Only the feds can deport Illegal Immigrants. Law Enforcement can arrest and incarcerate all the damn illegals they can for violations of state or local law. They will also call ICE until they are blue in the face, but if they choose to not pick them up there isn't a damn thing local/county/state LE can do. Be prepared to be sued if efforts are made otherwise, especially with the current DOJ. You know what a "pretext stop" is? You can do that with employers, too. We're here to make sure you have workers' comp insurance (massive fines here for that, if you don't). State-level "OSHA" agencies are notorious nitpickers as well. Again, MASSIVE fines for all kinds of stupid shit. Oh, I see you have a lot more employees than your quarterly state employment filings reflect. We're going to need to do an audit of all your financial and payroll records for the last 6 years. Enjoy. Good Luck with that. Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. So, tell me the "loitering" law in your state. There isn't one in Texas. If HD wants those guys to leave, they can criminal trespass them and the cops WILL enforce that. ;) The local court will fine them or they may sit in jail a few days for 3 hots and a cot. ICE will be contacted and ask if it is a violent crime. It isn't so they will come up with a reason to not deport them. They will be right back outside of Home Depot looking for work. For anyone to blame State/County/City law enforcement can pound sand. This is a Federal Law Enforcement issue and US Dept. of Justice issue. If you have a problem contact them. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:37:44 PM EDT
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I'm in the midwest and I see plenty of white/black people doing landscaping and working in kitchens. I guess magically the further south you go the more you need illegals. I think it's more likely that your businesses are drunk on the cheap labor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because it would put the economy at a standstill. Who do you think works in all of the kitchens, does landscaping and construction work? Who would do it if all of the illegals went away? White or black Americans ?
Hell in my area there is a pretty good labor shortage in the construction industry, with things as they are and all of the illegals around. I'm in the midwest and I see plenty of white/black people doing landscaping and working in kitchens. I guess magically the further south you go the more you need illegals. I think it's more likely that your businesses are drunk on the cheap labor. I don't think addicted to cheap labor is the main driving factor around here. Most builders I know would rather pay a little more and deal with a native English speaker (ie white or black American) but still have a more difficult time finding them than they do the Hispanic workers..... |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:40:12 PM EDT
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Federal laws are only enforceable by federal agents. Remember when Arizona passed laws so state and local officers could arrest illegals? Feds stepped in and stopped it with a lawsuit. Jurisdictional limitations.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:41:59 PM EDT
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police work for the politicians politicians have decided that America's demographics need to change Just.... no. Go back to high school and pay attention in Civics class this time.... 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:46:24 PM EDT
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So it's not a priority at all. Specialized units for prostitution, drugs and parking tickets.... but zero enforcement on 30 million felonies everyday. Parking is a higher priority than our imigration problem. Got it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't local police do workplace and payroll inspections? Are you looking for a real answer or GD outrage? Because they'll be vastly different. You can admit to multiple felonies on a forum full of cops yet no fear of prosecution. Why shouldn't I go down to home depot and hire some? Asking this question here is just looking for the GD outrage answer. It's a circle jerk, or at best, a group Dutch rudder. People will say for more democrat votes, or to much savings for a politicians landscaping crew. The honest answer is time, money and shits. Police don't have enough time, enough resources our enough shits to play ICE. And the public at large doesn't want to pay the additional taxes to see this effectively enforced. So it's not a priority at all. Specialized units for prostitution, drugs and parking tickets.... but zero enforcement on 30 million felonies everyday. Parking is a higher priority than our imigration problem. Got it. Try reading a book on jurisdictional limitations some time. Please. ESPECIALLY if you want to use a Founding Father's name as your screen name. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:46:39 PM EDT
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Why don't police arrest people who hire illegals? Felonies, tax evasion, ongoing criminal conspiracy, RICO, perjury, asset forfiture, civil liability, etc. Lots of legal tools. Sheriff Joe's deputies have done that very thing here. Not enough, but the Feds are crawling all over him for trying to enforce immigration law. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:48:58 PM EDT
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Are there no federal courts and federal enforcement of other federal laws in these states? Local, state and federal enforcement is absent on this issue. All are to blame. If I use a MG local cops demand to see tax records as proof of innocence from federal law. But a meat packing plant with thousands of illegal employees and no one goes to jail. Decade after decade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why don't police arrest people who hire illegals? Felonies, tax evasion, ongoing criminal conspiracy, RICO, perjury, asset forfiture, civil liability, etc. Lots of legal tools. Those are all Federal statutes, except in very narrow instances local PD's are not empowered to enforce Federal Statute Are there no federal courts and federal enforcement of other federal laws in these states? Local, state and federal enforcement is absent on this issue. All are to blame. If I use a MG local cops demand to see tax records as proof of innocence from federal law. But a meat packing plant with thousands of illegal employees and no one goes to jail. Decade after decade. Because you are running afoul of STATE laws. OBAMA has already slapped Arizona down for passing state laws regarding immigration. We need a FEDERAL fix. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:50:40 PM EDT
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I called them once and they asked me "What do you want us to do?", needless to say I never bothered calling them again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only time I can even CALL ICE if I had a suspected IA was when they had committed one of a specific list of crimes, and only that because we had [issed and moaned enough about the lack of INS, then ICE response that the State AG got involved and went to the US attorney. I called them once and they asked me "What do you want us to do?", needless to say I never bothered calling them again. Same response, regarding an illegal with a felony DUI (luckily, the girl survived). Arresting illegals is like trying to eat soup with a fork. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:51:12 AM EDT
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Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Code Enforcement, what will you do, fine them? Only the feds can deport Illegal Immigrants. Law Enforcement can arrest and incarcerate all the damn illegals they can for violations of state or local law. They will also call ICE until they are blue in the face, but if they choose to not pick them up there isn't a damn thing local/county/state LE can do. Be prepared to be sued if efforts are made otherwise, especially with the current DOJ. You know what a "pretext stop" is? You can do that with employers, too. We're here to make sure you have workers' comp insurance (massive fines here for that, if you don't). State-level "OSHA" agencies are notorious nitpickers as well. Again, MASSIVE fines for all kinds of stupid shit. Oh, I see you have a lot more employees than your quarterly state employment filings reflect. We're going to need to do an audit of all your financial and payroll records for the last 6 years. Enjoy. Good Luck with that. Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. Not anymore...Loitering was IIRC Declared Unconstitutional, at one time NJ had a Statute that read "Failure to give a good account" that went away in 1981 or 1982 when they revised the entire Criminal Code. About the only thing left is "Wandering", and that is specifically tied to Narcotics trafficking....the last guy who tried to charge someone with it ended up in front of the County Prosecutor getting his ass handed to him. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:52:38 AM EDT
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Not anymore...Loitering was IIRC Declared Unconstitutional, at one time NJ had a Statute that read "Failure to give a good account" that went away in 1981 or 1982 when they revised the entire Criminal Code. About the only thing left is "Wandering", and that is specifically tied to Narcotics trafficking....the last guy who tried to charge someone with it ended up in front of the County Prosecutor getting his ass handed to him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. Not anymore...Loitering was IIRC Declared Unconstitutional, at one time NJ had a Statute that read "Failure to give a good account" that went away in 1981 or 1982 when they revised the entire Criminal Code. About the only thing left is "Wandering", and that is specifically tied to Narcotics trafficking....the last guy who tried to charge someone with it ended up in front of the County Prosecutor getting his ass handed to him. NY's loitering law has been ruled unconstitutional on 3 separate ocassions. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:53:40 AM EDT
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Localities here are authorized to enact them Yes, trespass would work too, but that requires cooperation of HD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good luck with what? The agencies, laws, and enforcement of everything I just ticked off already exist. Arrest the illegals hanging out at Home Depot for loitering, too. There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. So, tell me the "loitering" law in your state. There isn't one in Texas. If HD wants those guys to leave, they can criminal trespass them and the cops WILL enforce that. ;) Localities here are authorized to enact them Yes, trespass would work too, but that requires cooperation of HD. Same here.....we can arrest for Trespass all day long...IF the "Victim" will prosecute..which they wont. So instead, you get a couple of Dozen "Day Workers" in front of the Home Depot, and around every 7-11 every morning |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:54:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:55:50 AM EDT
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There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. Not anymore...Loitering was IIRC Declared Unconstitutional, at one time NJ had a Statute that read "Failure to give a good account" that went away in 1981 or 1982 when they revised the entire Criminal Code. About the only thing left is "Wandering", and that is specifically tied to Narcotics trafficking....the last guy who tried to charge someone with it ended up in front of the County Prosecutor getting his ass handed to him. NY's loitering law has been ruled unconstitutional on 3 separate ocassions. NJ actually changed it..NY just ignored it |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:57:04 AM EDT
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Not anymore...Loitering was IIRC Declared Unconstitutional, at one time NJ had a Statute that read "Failure to give a good account" that went away in 1981 or 1982 when they revised the entire Criminal Code. About the only thing left is "Wandering", and that is specifically tied to Narcotics trafficking....the last guy who tried to charge someone with it ended up in front of the County Prosecutor getting his ass handed to him. By a state court in NJ or by a federal court? Just NJ's particular law, or was the effect that pretty much ALL laws of that type were invalidated? I've never researched this issue because quite frankly loitering laws just don't really matter to me personally or professionally. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:58:46 AM EDT
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There are so many bullshit mopery laws on the books. Time to actually do something useful with them. Not anymore...Loitering was IIRC Declared Unconstitutional, at one time NJ had a Statute that read "Failure to give a good account" that went away in 1981 or 1982 when they revised the entire Criminal Code. About the only thing left is "Wandering", and that is specifically tied to Narcotics trafficking....the last guy who tried to charge someone with it ended up in front of the County Prosecutor getting his ass handed to him. NY's loitering law has been ruled unconstitutional on 3 separate ocassions. NJ actually changed it..NY just ignored it The cops didn't, the city had to shell out $15 mil to people arrested under it. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:00:22 AM EDT
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At least where I work the feds won't come out or do anything unless it's a violent felony involved and even with this it generally requires multiples. So they just become a revolving door problem at the jail. We will arrest on whatever charges we have then call ICE/DHS and much like Extorris said the answer is generally "What do you want me to do?" with the current administration in the White House over the Department of Justice and DHS I don't see it getting any better any time soon.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:02:37 AM EDT
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At least where I work the feds won't come out or do anything unless it's a violent felony involved and even with this it generally requires multiples. So they just become a revolving door problem at the jail. We will arrest on whatever charges we have then call ICE/DHS and much like Extorris said the answer is generally "What do you want me to do?" with the current administration in the White House over the Department of Justice and DHS I don't see it getting any better any time soon. Oh wait this is GD I guess it could also be because I'm a lazy cop. I think the point - or at least, MY point - in all of this, is that if you make life as constantly miserable and expensive as possible for both the illegals and their employers, even if it means massive amounts of "pretext arrests," it will have an effect on the problem. I get the fact that local cops cannot deport people themselves and that ICE doesn't do anything because Obama, but there are plenty of ways to legally fuck with these people and their employers mercilessly to the point that it becomes impossible for them to have a life here. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 6:48:03 PM EDT
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I think the point - or at least, MY point - in all of this, is that if you make life as constantly miserable and expensive as possible for both the illegals and their employers, even if it means massive amounts of "pretext arrests," it will have an effect on the problem. I get the fact that local cops cannot deport people themselves and that ICE doesn't do anything because Obama, but there are plenty of ways to legally fuck with these people and their employers mercilessly to the point that it becomes impossible for them to have a life here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least where I work the feds won't come out or do anything unless it's a violent felony involved and even with this it generally requires multiples. So they just become a revolving door problem at the jail. We will arrest on whatever charges we have then call ICE/DHS and much like Extorris said the answer is generally "What do you want me to do?" with the current administration in the White House over the Department of Justice and DHS I don't see it getting any better any time soon. Oh wait this is GD I guess it could also be because I'm a lazy cop. I think the point - or at least, MY point - in all of this, is that if you make life as constantly miserable and expensive as possible for both the illegals and their employers, even if it means massive amounts of "pretext arrests," it will have an effect on the problem. I get the fact that local cops cannot deport people themselves and that ICE doesn't do anything because Obama, but there are plenty of ways to legally fuck with these people and their employers mercilessly to the point that it becomes impossible for them to have a life here. My point is the employers are already violating local, state and federal laws and are "low hanging fruit" legally. Easy to prove and lots of legal tools. Including lots of local and state laws regulating labor, taxes and reporting requirements. Not to mention government ability to always find a problem when they choose. It's a lot easier to target big employers than chase 30 million illegals. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 6:54:12 PM EDT
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I think the point - or at least, MY point - in all of this, is that if you make life as constantly miserable and expensive as possible for both the illegals and their employers, even if it means massive amounts of "pretext arrests," it will have an effect on the problem. I get the fact that local cops cannot deport people themselves and that ICE doesn't do anything because Obama, but there are plenty of ways to legally fuck with these people and their employers mercilessly to the point that it becomes impossible for them to have a life here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least where I work the feds won't come out or do anything unless it's a violent felony involved and even with this it generally requires multiples. So they just become a revolving door problem at the jail. We will arrest on whatever charges we have then call ICE/DHS and much like Extorris said the answer is generally "What do you want me to do?" with the current administration in the White House over the Department of Justice and DHS I don't see it getting any better any time soon. Oh wait this is GD I guess it could also be because I'm a lazy cop. I think the point - or at least, MY point - in all of this, is that if you make life as constantly miserable and expensive as possible for both the illegals and their employers, even if it means massive amounts of "pretext arrests," it will have an effect on the problem. I get the fact that local cops cannot deport people themselves and that ICE doesn't do anything because Obama, but there are plenty of ways to legally fuck with these people and their employers mercilessly to the point that it becomes impossible for them to have a life here. Yeah. Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Ask the NJSP how that worked out for them. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 8:01:30 PM EDT
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Feds should be doing it. Just like the Feds should be doing immigration issues.
Typical "Police" are City or County workers. BTW...there are alot of things that the Feds don't want to do and just plain don't. They claim they're too busy with "other crimes." RIGHT. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 8:38:34 PM EDT
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There's no money in it.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 8:45:25 PM EDT
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At least where I work the feds won't come out or do anything unless it's a violent felony involved and even with this it generally requires multiples. So they just become a revolving door problem at the jail. We will arrest on whatever charges we have then call ICE/DHS and much like Extorris said the answer is generally "What do you want me to do?" with the current administration in the White House over the Department of Justice and DHS I don't see it getting any better any time soon. Oh wait this is GD I guess it could also be because I'm a lazy cop. I think the point - or at least, MY point - in all of this, is that if you make life as constantly miserable and expensive as possible for both the illegals and their employers, even if it means massive amounts of "pretext arrests," it will have an effect on the problem. I get the fact that local cops cannot deport people themselves and that ICE doesn't do anything because Obama, but there are plenty of ways to legally fuck with these people and their employers mercilessly to the point that it becomes impossible for them to have a life here. Yeah. Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Ask the NJSP how that worked out for them. Like cops give a shit about lawsuits.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 8:56:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:00:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:01:54 PM EDT
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Maybe some places, but All I Know is that I didnt have any mechanism to Charge anyone for anything other than State Charges..Even out of state Warrants..they get arrested under the NJ Statutes as "Fugitive From Justice", the Courts then drop that on transfer to the other Jurisdiction. The ONLY Instances Im aware of where a State, County or Municipal NJ LEO can charge under federal Statute is if he is a member of a Federal task Force, at which point he's deputized as a Special Deputy US Marshal so he has Federal Powers, or on an even more limited basis, he's attended the Special ICE training Course to handle Arrests for Immigration violations..IIRC they train a couple of hundred per year, and at last count there's probably around 600,000 State, County and Local LEO's so they should be done sometime in 2350 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, it's pretty much an ICE issue. State and local police in Southern Texas call BP all the time with illegals, and BP picks them up and deports them (rarely, they prosecute them). Also, unless cops in every other state than TX and AZ are somehow different, they can make arrests on Federal felonies committed in their presence all they want. They just can't investigate them to any significant extent. Texas DPS arrests alien smugglers all the time. Maybe some places, but All I Know is that I didnt have any mechanism to Charge anyone for anything other than State Charges..Even out of state Warrants..they get arrested under the NJ Statutes as "Fugitive From Justice", the Courts then drop that on transfer to the other Jurisdiction. The ONLY Instances Im aware of where a State, County or Municipal NJ LEO can charge under federal Statute is if he is a member of a Federal task Force, at which point he's deputized as a Special Deputy US Marshal so he has Federal Powers, or on an even more limited basis, he's attended the Special ICE training Course to handle Arrests for Immigration violations..IIRC they train a couple of hundred per year, and at last count there's probably around 600,000 State, County and Local LEO's so they should be done sometime in 2350 Arrest =/= charge. Does NJ not allow for citizen's arrest either? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:06:09 PM EDT
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The lawsuits and the accompanying civilian complaints is why I left plainclothes, not worth the hassle. Why did you get sued more in plain clothes? Proactive unit. Got sued for incidents that happened on my day off and another when I was on vacation. Both complaints made along with the lawsuits stayed in my file permanently and were held against me when I put in for a transfer. No thanks, ROD. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:09:38 PM EDT
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Well, it's pretty much an ICE issue. State and local police in Southern Texas call BP all the time with illegals, and BP picks them up and deports them (rarely, they prosecute them). Also, unless cops in every other state than TX and AZ are somehow different, they can make arrests on Federal felonies committed in their presence all they want. They just can't investigate them to any significant extent. Texas DPS arrests alien smugglers all the time. Texas DPS arrest smugglers on state laws. Not immigration violations. Human trafficking..... DPS turns aliens over to BP without any state charge constantly. They have hundreds of troopers who do nothing else (well, they also give out speeding tickets while looking for illegals). I have never seen even a single smuggler tried under state law. Hell, I've never even seen one detained overnight if BP wouldn't come pick him up. Well, unless he's got expired/suspended license. Then they take the vehicle before they let him go. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:24:30 PM EDT
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