Stupid question.

Gene5 is that you?

What if obongo started drafting people to invade Israel and hand it over to the Paleshitians?

Are people who dodge that draft a bunch of un-American faggot traitors?

By the way, I wasn't insinuating that you are a drug user. Thre user name just cracks me up, that's all.!
But am still pissed off at Carter for that BS.

Good, cause I'm not a drug user.

You wanna  go grab a beer?

Apparently.

Conscription in some cases is quite acceptable.  It is not inherently un-American, and it is not in any and all cases contrary to liberal principles.  In fact it is essential to having an effective liberal defensive institution.

You have exceptional circumstances which require exceptional measures for the defence of the polity, such as World War II, the Civil War, and the Cold War.  You also need conscription to have an effective militia system, which is, as the 2nd Amendment states, essential to the security of a free state, from both external and internal threats to both the state and the freedom of its inhabitants (to include, at times, defence from the acts of the state itself).

Conscription in America predates independence.  Colonial militias, when well-regulated, were based on the principle of universal obligation just as their counterparts in the metropolitan UK were.  The principle of conscription for militia service goes back to the 8th century in Anglo-American civilization.  Conscription for standing armies, regular or reserve, on the other hand, is something to be avoided absent real necessity; it should not be a permanent condition, and really, it was never a constant feature in the English-speaking world; it was always temporary, even if some contingencies did last decades such as the Cold War, which came immediately after a world war.  It should also be noted that the Constitution is silent in terms of how armies and navies must be raised; it is left for Congress to decide, within the bounds of what is necessary and proper, and thus in at least some cases conscription is a completely constitutional method for doing so; it's always been constitutional with respect to militias, although no State in the Union has both employed and enforced universal obligation since 1860 even though it was mandated by Federal law for some time past that time (and the last State to have it, South Carolina, was forced to stop as a condition of rejoining the Union IIRC, as well as changing how it chose Presidential Electors, being the last State to use the legislature to do that).

There is nothing honourable about being a Vietnam-era draft dodger, and they should have been punished.  Men fulfilled their obligations even if they didn't want to do so, or volunteered and went to die while the draft dodgers shirked their duties.  They should be viewed and treated with the utmost contempt by state and society.  It is unfortunate that they are not.  If the war is not against our people, it matters not who the President is at the time of a war.  Duty is duty, and the quote comes to mind from Decatur, "Our country...may she always be in the right, but right or wrong, our country!"

That's a whole  lot of statist  koolaid.

A strong leader could do wonders with you.

 

Pretty much this

If you think that, you must have had some Kool-Aid, because you don't seem to know what statism actually means.  There is nothing statist about what I typed.  Please show me the examples of well-regulated militias of effective fighting strength that were entirely volunteer-based.  Please explain how to counter the massive conscript armies of the communists without using conscription.  Please tell me how statist the Founders were to believe in conscription for militia service.  This all should be interesting.

If they dump the Sharp crap and we can crush them like in the early 90s yes.

 


The weak ones will die, go AWOL or eat a bullet.




Either way the one who survive will be fighters who I can trust.




Give me 30 of your biggest turds and I will make them killers if I can have


Free reign to train and crush them as I see fit.




And give me one LT with a Tab that can drink and survive a bar fight


And we will be perfect.




And no females, or gays


 

Ok one female if she comes to work in a rebel flag bikini, she can be my

RTO

OP doesn't have a clue



 
 

Yeah, and the "All Volunteer" is just chalk full of blood thirsty killers.




There is a shit ton of a "FSA" types in the Army because they want the Army to pay for college or because they cannot get a job at home. This whole idea that the military is way more bad ass because it's all volunteer is completely false. There aren't anywhere near as many people who take their jobs very seriously in the military, as you guys seem to think.


 

WWII, Korea, Vietnam, all had plenty of conscripts that kicked some ass. I know a WW2 vet who got drafted instead of volunteering, because as he put it "no sense in volunteering when you were going to get drafted anyway".

Draft dodgers are not heroes.  If your country calls it is your responsibility to help protect it.  IMO of course.

 
Nope! ARF has flipped the script on this one. FREEDOM IS FREE!

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As my esteemed colleague, America-First, once said:

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The myth that conscripts fight less than volunteers is bullshit, plain and simple.

A report by the national VFW indicated that during the period from Sept. 5, 1917 to Nov. 11, 1918, 2,810,296 American men were inducted into the U.S. Army. They constituted 72 percent of the entire service. Draftees supplied more than 50 percent of the soldiers of the American Expeditionary Force in France.

Again, in World War II, the national conscription from November 1940 to October 1946 had 10,220,104 men called into military service. That number amounted to 63 percent of our World War II military. In our Army, 92 percent were draftees. The Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard had a total of 1,730,194 draftees with 16,000 in the Marines.

During the draft for Korean War military, August 1950 through July 1953, 1,569,141 men were called into military service. Draftees made up 30 percent of the Korean War servicemen. From August 1951 to October 1952, 83,858 Marines were drafted. In 1952, 12,220 Marines entered military service via the Selective Service system. By December 1952, 63 percent of soldiers serving in Korea were draftees. In 1953, 59 percent of the Army enlisted men were draftees.

During the Cold War years (1954-1964) the Selective Service was again drafting men into military service. During that period 1,443,223 men were drafted, representing 41 percent of the Army.

The Vietnam War, 1965-1973, produced 1,728,344 men being drafted into military service. Thirty-nine percent of the soldiers in Vietnam were drafted at a time when 27 percent of the Army as a whole was draftee. The national VFW reported 648,500 draftees (25 percent of the total) were among the 2.6 million Americans who were actually stationed in Vietnam. Draftee hostile deaths totaled 15,458, or 32 percent of all American combat fatalities.

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?78191-Heroes-drafted-or-volunteer-are-made-not-born

Gee, why would anybody not want to have their life uprooted against their will because the government sent them a letter in the mail? Anybody who had a problem with that is obviously a piece of shit.

Not everyone, just more than the enemy, so we win.  

There is, of course, no real difference.

Incongruent with what?  You stated that he was misaligned or incompatible... with what?

IMHO the draft should only be used in times of extreme peril where the existence of the US is threatened.  Seems like a lot of draftees would just be fucking around and looking for a way out otherwise.

"Politicians told me they own my labor and time for the next X number of years. I'd be a pussy if I said I wasn't excited about it."

This



Nick

His response in the other draft thread.

  Why Do You Hate Freedom.  

 

They're pajama boy fags

Would someone, anyone, please explain how a draft aligns with an individual’s right to “pursue happiness” and determine their own destiny?

There is nothing heroic about dodging a draft.



Heroes have to do something heroic, that shit is a lot more demanding than not showing up for something.

Spot On!

They may just live longer then the guy who replaced them, but they are still going to die.  Not heroes at all.

You talkin' bout' Bill?  He says he didn't dodge the draft.  

So, where is the line?

Aloha, Mark

My son wants to join the US Military.  I sort of asked him the same question. Using the example of OBAMA as Commander in Chief and having to follow the Glorious Leader's orders.

LOL, we all know that in order to have a REAL WAR.......the vote of Congress counts.  So anyway, confusion abounds as to what is a LEGAL WAR.  LOL.....as if a POLICE ACTION or NATION BUILDING is any less of a WAR when people are shooting at you.  Course, Politicians and the Rich Kids don't need to worry about stuff like that.

Aloha, Mark

did Washington draft his soldiers? or did he promise them unfathomable wealth?

That's what my uncles did, and my sister-in-law's grandfather got drafted into the Army in Vietman, and when he went down to sign up, the USMC office was across from the Army office, so he joined the Marines instead.

No, no they are not. Next question

Their country called and they ran away while better men rucked up and stood on the wall.

Fuck 'em, karma's a bitch.

Quite a few folks were drafted in my platoon in boot camp. A lot of them were retards and couldn't get their shit together if their life depended on it. 30% of my original paltoon was gone by graduation; that includes pick-ups. We started with 60 and ended up with 40.

The ability to understand that war is necessary AND being able to come to the conclusion that conscription is against EVERYTHING the very document the conscripts are swearing to defend are not mutually exclusive.

I'm patriotic and don't think dodging the draft is traitorous. You don't have to stop thinking logically to be a patriot, though it seems too common a theme.

I value my rights as a free man more than the political decision to declare war knowing full well that those who make that decision will never suffer the hardships of war or wartime.

You don't honestly believe that the federal politicians who conscripted all those young men to go fight for their country against their will were worrying about ration cards or getting themselves or their sons shipped off to the front, do you?

Draft dodgers are shitbags.

Just my opinion, those who went to Canada should have never been allowed back in the country.  Those who nutted up and went to prison, they stood for what they believed in and paid the price.

No, they're just jealous of your "beautiful eye liner".

Why not just sink their transport ships before they make landing on US soil?