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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:08:19 AM EDT
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Did they make the fatties get off first?
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:09:39 AM EDT
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Small aircraft have limited power margins and are sensitive to loading and density altitude. Small aircraft and it was hot in SE Idaho, 94 degrees. Combine that with 4700 feet of elevation and not the longest runway in Idaho Falls, there is a need to lighten the load. Have had it happen to flights I have been on out of Salt Lake. Heat, elevation and too much weight (people, luggage and/or fuel) and someone gets to stay behind. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:11:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:13:18 AM EDT
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Anyone over 300 lbs should have to pay for two seats.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:14:12 AM EDT
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? Cargo. Got booted off a plane out of AK because of too much salmon in the hold |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:15:31 AM EDT
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they should deplane the large first.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:16:40 AM EDT
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Let me guess, Allegiant Air? The same airline that misjudged the fuel needed for a flight to Fargo, North Dakota and had to call in emergency landing? That airline is a joke; I once flew out of Oakland with them and they told us they had to ship our bags because the "fire suppression system in the baggage compartment was malfunctioning." Made me feel real safe.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? Let me guess, Allegiant Air? The same airline that misjudged the fuel needed for a flight to Fargo, North Dakota and had to call in emergency landing? That airline is a joke; I once flew out of Oakland with them and they told us they had to ship our bags because the "fire suppression system in the baggage compartment was malfunctioning." Made me feel real safe. You are literally taking your life into your hands when flying that airline. They fly out of Vegas and I have heard nothing but horror stories from the people I know who work at the airport. Engine malfunctions, fuel issues, you name it. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:24:03 AM EDT
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You are literally taking your life into your hands when flying that airline. They fly out of Vegas and I have heard nothing but horror stories from the people I know who work at the airport. Engine malfunctions, fuel issues, you name it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? Let me guess, Allegiant Air? The same airline that misjudged the fuel needed for a flight to Fargo, North Dakota and had to call in emergency landing? That airline is a joke; I once flew out of Oakland with them and they told us they had to ship our bags because the "fire suppression system in the baggage compartment was malfunctioning." Made me feel real safe. You are literally taking your life into your hands when flying that airline. They fly out of Vegas and I have heard nothing but horror stories from the people I know who work at the airport. Engine malfunctions, fuel issues, you name it. Their CEO is the old Valujet CEO, lol. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:29:58 AM EDT
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Let me guess, Allegiant Air? The same airline that misjudged the fuel needed for a flight to Fargo, North Dakota and had to call in emergency landing? That airline is a joke; I once flew out of Oakland with them and they told us they had to ship our bags because the "fire suppression system in the baggage compartment was malfunctioning." Made me feel real safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? Let me guess, Allegiant Air? The same airline that misjudged the fuel needed for a flight to Fargo, North Dakota and had to call in emergency landing? That airline is a joke; I once flew out of Oakland with them and they told us they had to ship our bags because the "fire suppression system in the baggage compartment was malfunctioning." Made me feel real safe. They were allowed to go per FAA MEL <minimum equipment list> as long as there were NO bags ( nothing could catch on fire) in that baggage compartment. You were fine. Up until the Value Jet acccident, most airliners did not have fire extinguishers in the cargo area. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:30:37 AM EDT
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is there a scale on the runway ? This is why you sit in the back of the air plane. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:33:36 AM EDT
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Did they make the fatties get off first? Of course not. Although it makes the most sense, logically, there is the feelings that get hurt that now factor into every decision, including physics and engineering. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:35:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing that was maybe a Skywest flight or another regional? It happens and usually because of hot weather if it's something like a CRJ 200 but 10 passengers is a lot. What kind of plane? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? I'm guessing that was maybe a Skywest flight or another regional? It happens and usually because of hot weather if it's something like a CRJ 200 but 10 passengers is a lot. What kind of plane? Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:42:06 AM EDT
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Why is there ALWAYS so much derp in airline/airplane threads. Seriously folks, this stuff isn't rocket surgery.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:43:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:49:21 AM EDT
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They also don't factor in the 400 lb land whales that are common these days. When I went through my ADX course, we were told to use 185 for men and 120 for women. No fucking way those numbers work these days. Factor in extra fuel for weather or delays and heavy ass bags, I can see overweight aircraft being an issue. those weights, fucking lol |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:51:47 AM EDT
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Why is there ALWAYS so much derp in airline/airplane threads. Seriously folks, this stuff isn't rocket surgery. Aviation just draws derp like a moth to a flame. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:54:01 AM EDT
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I've seen them redistribute passengers to keep the plane from being nose heavy, but I've never seen anyone kick a passenger off on a jet for it being too heavy. Only on turboprops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What type of plane? I've only experienced this on small regional jets or propeller flights. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've seen them redistribute passengers to keep the plane from being nose heavy, but I've never seen anyone kick a passenger off on a jet for it being too heavy. Only on turboprops. I got moved to balance a plane one time. tiny little puddle jumper. I'm 6'5" and 350. It was kinda funny. When I was on a trip with a football team to New Zealand, on the return flight it was just the team, and about 20 other passengers. the pilot told anyone not on the team to report to first class, and he ceeded the back of the plane to us. We got a game of what used to be known as "smear the queer" going. After about twenty minutes capt came on and told us to sit the hell down, we were causing the plane to porpoise and the autopilot was making constant corrections to keep us level and it was affecting his burn rates cause we were running back and forth in the back of the plane. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:54:38 AM EDT
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I hope they kicked the fatties off first.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:03:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: those weights, fucking lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They also don't factor in the 400 lb land whales that are common these days. When I went through my ADX course, we were told to use 185 for men and 120 for women. No fucking way those numbers work these days. Factor in extra fuel for weather or delays and heavy ass bags, I can see overweight aircraft being an issue. those weights, fucking lol |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:11:29 AM EDT
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Need moar JATO
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:14:03 AM EDT
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Allegiant air? No way they would pay incentives to get off. They would just drain some fuel. 
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf capable, please fasten your seat belts. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:17:51 AM EDT
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$20 says it was over fueled. Happens all the time. Fuel guy not paying attention and pumps a couple thousand pounds of fuel more than what the pilot asked for. Fuel guy gets the ticket from the pilot telling him how many pounds of fuel. Fuel guy hooks up and starts pumping. Either the guy stops paying attention or doesn't get the pump shut off in time. Pump shuts off with a dead man switch the fuel guy is holding, or at least used to..been a long time since I've done it. Most of the time the extra fuel isn't a big deal on the larger planes. A small ERJ and CRJ it matters very much. I used to be the Line Forman at a regional airport. In charge of all private and commercial fueling. I've rarely seen an over fuel and the fuel guy doesn't get a ticket from the pilots, maybe on a rare occasion. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:23:43 AM EDT
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185 lbs? That's not even a full-grown man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also don't factor in the 400 lb land whales that are common these days. When I went through my ADX course, we were told to use 185 for men and 120 for women. No fucking way those numbers work these days. Factor in extra fuel for weather or delays and heavy ass bags, I can see overweight aircraft being an issue. 185 lbs? That's not even a full-grown man. It probably averages out. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:28:08 AM EDT
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Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? I'm guessing that was maybe a Skywest flight or another regional? It happens and usually because of hot weather if it's something like a CRJ 200 but 10 passengers is a lot. What kind of plane? Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. They suck? Tell me more. lol |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They suck? Tell me more. lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. They suck? Tell me more. lol |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:54:07 AM EDT
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? Probably not overgross but with the temps there today, combined with the airport elevation the plane probably didnt have the performance to get out of there safely! Be thankful your crew did what it did! |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:56:57 AM EDT
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Aviation just draws derp like a moth to a flame. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is there ALWAYS so much derp in airline/airplane threads. Seriously folks, this stuff isn't rocket surgery. Aviation just draws derp like a moth to a flame. It looked like a stall to me! Its always a stall! |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:00:10 AM EDT
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Going to get to the point where everyone is allowed a single, small bag not over 20lbs. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Based on what some folks try squeezing on the plane with. Not a problem with me. When suzyq ask someone to help her lift her carry on to the overhead. It's too fukin heavy. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:01:46 AM EDT
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Jade Helm
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:04:31 AM EDT
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I don't ever remember seeing CAT certified scales on a runway before...
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:06:29 AM EDT
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CRJ's are awesome compared to being stuffed into a Dash 8. Both times in a Dash, I thought two things would happen. I'd turn a 100 years old before we got to Eastern Washington or the impending crash is going to suck real bad (flying out of SEA on a Jazz flight into YVR). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. They suck? Tell me more. lol I don't have a problem with them. I fly the 200, 700 and 900. The 200 could stand to have a little more power on hot days but isn't terrible. They are getting dated and will only be replaced by larger, newer aircraft. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:15:47 AM EDT
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I would have guessed you were flying out of Oconomowoc.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:25:50 AM EDT
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Weights engineers get paid serious money for reason. They keep your ass alive. Stop fucking crying.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a problem with them. I fly the 200, 700 and 900. The 200 could stand to have a little more power on hot days but isn't terrible. They are getting dated and will only be replaced by larger, newer aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. They suck? Tell me more. lol I don't have a problem with them. I fly the 200, 700 and 900. The 200 could stand to have a little more power on hot days but isn't terrible. They are getting dated and will only be replaced by larger, newer aircraft. From the standpoint of dispatching them, yes, they suck. The 700s aren't bad. The 900s never got on property at my old airline before I left so I don't have any experience with them. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:34:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course not. Although it makes the most sense, logically, there is the feelings that get hurt that now factor into every decision, including physics and engineering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did they make the fatties get off first? Of course not. Although it makes the most sense, logically, there is the feelings that get hurt that now factor into every decision, including physics and engineering. Eventually it seems like they'll have to charge the fatties more money. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:39:09 AM EDT
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185 lbs? That's not even a full-grown man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also don't factor in the 400 lb land whales that are common these days. When I went through my ADX course, we were told to use 185 for men and 120 for women. No fucking way those numbers work these days. Factor in extra fuel for weather or delays and heavy ass bags, I can see overweight aircraft being an issue. 185 lbs? That's not even a full-grown man. I am 6' and 178lbs. Maybe I should landwhale up a bit to be manly?
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:43:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone over 300 lbs should have to pay for two seats. Ya no doubt. Anything past a certain size and it's two seats. They've been supersizing things all their lives they should be used to it. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 2:48:59 AM EDT
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CRJ's are awesome compared to being stuffed into a Dash 8. Both times in a Dash, I thought two things would happen. I'd turn a 100 years old before we got to Eastern Washington or the impending crash is going to suck real bad (flying out of SEA on a Jazz flight into YVR). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not really. Was it a CRJ 200? Where was it going? What was the weather like at origin and destination? CRJs suck and if an alternate (and the fuel to that alternate) is required you're going to be booting passengers. They suck? Tell me more. lol I love flying with Jazz from Toronto to Columbus and back. And yes, I love the Dash 8 more than those tiny ERJs they use to fly from Columbus to Newark with. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 3:27:11 AM EDT
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I'd be the first one off. If they are cutting it that close to the envelope...bye.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 3:28:54 AM EDT
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Eventually it seems like they'll have to charge the fatties more money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did they make the fatties get off first? Of course not. Although it makes the most sense, logically, there is the feelings that get hurt that now factor into every decision, including physics and engineering. Eventually it seems like they'll have to charge the fatties more money. What if they self-identify with Twiggy ? |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 3:33:52 AM EDT
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Was it really hot outside at the time?
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:35:17 AM EDT
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How would "involuntary deplaning" work?
How would they determine who gets the boot? Sounds like a recipe for a riot. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:37:21 AM EDT
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is there a scale on the runway ? Built into the landing gear. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:43:23 AM EDT
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You want to find out what happens when you are too heavy??? Lol Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. Once it's been announced that the plane's too heavy, I'd be the first one off. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:46:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:49:37 AM EDT
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I would be the first one off that plane.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:50:48 AM EDT
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We were getting ready to depart Idaho Falls on Saturday when it was announced that the flight was "too heavy." 3, then 5, then 10 people were encouraged to get off of the plane. If enough people did not get off the airline would start "involuntary deplaning." The process took 45 minutes with sweetening offers and threats that our baggage would be removed. There were probably less than 100 on the flight. How could the airline be that far off in its weight calculation? "muricans..... big, fat sweaty "mericans. edit. reminds me of a comedian.... he was on a plane,( small island hopper) and they came around asking how much everyone weighed... pilot..................... how much do you weigh? comedian..............oh about 200lbs..... pilot.........................thanks.. comedian..........hey, why do you need to know that? pilot................... to calculate how much fuel to put into the airplane.. comedian..........  ....... heres a idea... fill that mother fucker up !
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:56:13 AM EDT
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In most of my ergonomics work in my previous life, human data such as averages including sizes and weights were taken from military intake statistics since it was fairly accurate. Unfortunately the average American and the average soldier share little more than a country of origin anymore. My prediction is airlines will charge by the pound eventually. Just have to get past the SJWs like the weight averages the us coast guard uses to calculate the amount of people can be on a boat... i think they used to use 150lbs, then went to 180lbs as the average weight of adults..... they need to add some more to that.. 200lbs IMHO is the AVERAGE weight. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:57:43 AM EDT
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They also don't factor in the 400 lb land whales that are common these days. When I went through my ADX course, we were told to use 185 for men and 120 for women. No fucking way those numbers work these days. Factor in extra fuel for weather or delays and heavy ass bags, I can see overweight aircraft being an issue. that might MAYBE.... work for military personnel.... MAYBE.... more like 185 for men, and 150 for women.. |
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