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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:46:00 AM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Trophy hunters contribute more to the conservation of game animals that people like you will ever consider. The people screaming "save the lions" will NEVER see one in the wild and most will NEVER contribute one red cent to their preservation. Without trophy hunting a lot of game animals would be in serious jeopardy of becoming endangered and possibly extinct. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:47:28 AM EDT
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Yes it would be the lion, which if had not been Cecil, would have been legal to take. Thats what rich dentists do, they pay people obscene amounts of money to make sure they are within the letter of the law. Yes, Cecil was lured out of the park. You use bait to hunt large predatory animals in Africa. Are you purposefully being obtuse or do you need me to add a few more stairs to your internet soap box? So how can you say that numbers of lions need to be culled when the overall lion population is in decline? The issue with Cecil is that they baited him to get him out of the safe area they couldn't get him in. Then they shot him with some sort of bow contrary to rules and then stalked him to finally finish him off. The way the hunt is being portrayed there were issues with its legality that has nothing to do with me being on a soapbox |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:48:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryI feel dumber having read that thread. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:51:03 AM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Glad to know you're happy to have African big game species eradicated. I don't trophy hunt anything but the money the hunters pay goes directly to conservation. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:51:40 AM EDT
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Boom! Awesome point.
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wait. i thought the second amendment was for hunting? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:00:56 AM EDT
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Nothing will render African game extinct faster than a complete ban on hunting. In most of those countries, it is ridiculously expensive safaris, attracting ultra rich Americans and Europeans, that finance conservation efforts. If you ban hunting, those species cease to be a valuable resource and are now only pests. Much like wolves and mountain lions in the Eastern US, they will be wiped out.
ETA: I have no desire to hunt African game, but I do like hunting North American game. A guided mountain lion hunt is on my bucket list. I saw one up close and personal the one fucking time I didn't buy a mountain lion tag during a javalina hunt.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:01:41 AM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Oh, I agree. Human needs are far more important than the needs of a bunch of animals who should just go extinct and get it over with. See, wildlife is protected in those countries because rich first world assholes will pay big dollars to go pretend to be the great white hunter and kill a lion or an elephant. Take that away and African nations would have little incentive put up with animals like lions. I mean, would you put up with having lions living in your neighborhood? How about after they ate one of your kids and killed the mailman? Think you would feel all that friendly toward elephants if they destroyed your house, crushed your car, and trampled your mother to death? When some elephant herd trashes some African farmer’s fields he doesn’t call Allstate with a good story, he realizes he is going to watch his family starve to death. Africa sort of sucks like that and a big part of the reason living there sucks is all the wildlife. Managed hunting gives that wildlife enough of an economic value that the locals will protect it instead of exterminate it. But this will not lead to long term economic growth. So, get rid of all that trophy hunting and the locals can go ahead and exterminate every one of those worthless lions, elephants, hippos, rhinos, crocodiles, hyenas, and everything else over there which is harmful. Then they can turn all that land into farms and start to develop themselves out of the early iron age. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:03:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the dems outrage on planned parenthood selling baby parts ? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:03:43 AM EDT
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Fuck PETA. Fuck the hunting apex predators makes you a serial killer crowd. Fuck Cecil. Fucking animal rights fucks. Can't get off your granola eating asses when it comes to our rights but for some reason a dead Fucking lion in some shithole country binds your thong. You are what's wrong with our great country. Fucking hippies.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:03:51 AM EDT
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Fuck'em, let it end. If Americans don't pay $50k a pop to harvest their natural resources, they won't have the capitol to continue to employ all those wardens who patrol to prevent their native people from poaching the same animals to extinction.
Problem solved. 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:14:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:17:18 AM EDT
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Where is this dentists office at in MN? I need to get the wife and kids into one before school starts. If he isn't too far into MN I'll take the family.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:20:37 AM EDT
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Animal right fucks are among the craziest SOBs on the planet.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:23:22 AM EDT
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Even when that means people paying $50-100,000 to take out animals which need to be culled from the gene pool? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Even when that means people paying $50-100,000 to take out animals which need to be culled from the gene pool? "A healthy (animal) population, is a huntable animal population." |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:28:20 AM EDT
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Fuck PETA. Fuck the hunting apex predators makes you a serial killer crowd. Fuck Cecil. Fucking animal rights fucks. Can't get off your granola eating asses when it comes to our rights but for some reason a dead Fucking lion in some shithole country binds your thong. You are what's wrong with our great country. Fucking hippies. What makes them so bad is not just their opinions, but the total lack of any ability to agree to disagree. They want to ruin the lives of those with whom they disagree. They feel proud that the dentist's wife and children are now in hiding. Not that the vast majority of them have the balls to do anything to him, but they are glad they have inspired others to go after his family. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:28:57 AM EDT
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What the fuck is "eco-tourism"? For some reason, I have a hard time believing that it brings in more cash than trophy hunters do. Wanna see liberal heads explode? Point out to the that most of the dollars spent on conservation worldwide come directly from hunters and fishermen. Then watch them stammer trying to refute you. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:30:05 AM EDT
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So I go to Cabelas and the walls will be filled with stuffed animals?
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:31:18 AM EDT
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Tagged ... for the end.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:31:50 AM EDT
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That's because Palmer is not so different from thousands of other wealthy trophy hunters in the US and throughout the world, who hopscotch all over the earth in luxury and comfort to kill the largest "specimens" of the rarest mammals. Baiting, jacklighting, shooting in parks or fenced areas, with guides even drugging animals to allow these aging men to shoot these magnificent creatures, are all par for the course. That's their hobby, albeit a warped, selfish, and inhumane one. It's going on every day in the remote reaches of the globe, enabled by professional guides and wildlife officials who are at least complicit if not directly on the take from rich people with a mania for killing the most beautiful creatures in the world. If it's legal in Zimbabwe, fuck off. Their country, their rules. If you hate wealth, just say so. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:33:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tagged ... for the end. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:36:03 AM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird http://www.talkvietnam.com/files/2014/02/1447480-images988676-images984874-img-0011-1.jpg Lol I love the pic. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:40:07 AM EDT
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Food only comments are the code words of people looking to ban hunting, anyone who really ever has hunted knows no one is eating coyotes, other varmints, prairie dogs etc, doubt many squirrels end up in stew pots either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird No, I actually think killing any animal for sport is stupid. Food only. You have to learn just when to stop talking, you were going good till you got to squirrels. Squirrels actually are very tasty and "squirrel and dumpling" is a fantastic dinner. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:47:03 AM EDT
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Liberals will have to give up abortion before I give up hunting
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:30:41 AM EDT
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Christ, the guy paid over $50,000 to hunt there. That's probably like infinity Zimbabwe dollars. He may have fucked up, but let's not destroy a major economic venue there. Exactly. Morons. Those hunts PAID for the wildlife refuge. Although knowing congress, we'll just give them the money for it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:04:26 AM EDT
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Trophy hunters contribute more to the conservation of game animals that people like you will ever consider. The people screaming "save the lions" will NEVER see one in the wild and most will NEVER contribute one red cent to their preservation. Without trophy hunting a lot of game animals would be in serious jeopardy of becoming endangered and possibly extinct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Trophy hunters contribute more to the conservation of game animals that people like you will ever consider. The people screaming "save the lions" will NEVER see one in the wild and most will NEVER contribute one red cent to their preservation. Without trophy hunting a lot of game animals would be in serious jeopardy of becoming endangered and possibly extinct. QFT People spew the same bullshit about saving whitetail deer, all the while they don't understand a fucking thing about management or conservation vs. natural selection. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:23:37 AM EDT
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"Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, and other nations are showing the way."
Kenya's animal population has taken a serious nosedive ever since hunting was banned. They've lost as much as 70% of their animal population. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:25:40 AM EDT
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Christ, the guy paid over $50,000 to hunt there. That's probably like infinity Zimbabwe dollars. He may have fucked up, but let's not destroy a major economic venue there. The destruction of Africa has yet to begin in ernest...The world will not rest until Africa is nothing more that a lanced boil on the asshole of a doomed planet. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:30:46 AM EDT
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Christ, the guy paid over $50,000 to hunt there. That's probably like infinity Zimbabwe dollars. He may have fucked up, but let's not destroy a major economic venue there. haha really! thats prob lots of zimbabwe monies |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:32:06 AM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Run along, honey. Adults are talking. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:33:25 AM EDT
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The president supports the constitutional right to hunting and sportshooting. stand down red alert.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:35:12 AM EDT
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Gay thread?
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:41:37 AM EDT
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Glad to know you're happy to have African big game species eradicated. I don't trophy hunt anything but the money the hunters pay goes directly to conservation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Glad to know you're happy to have African big game species eradicated. I don't trophy hunt anything but the money the hunters pay goes directly to conservation. That is possibly mostly wrong. I bet much of it goes to "profit" for the guides leading the hunt. Even if you want to use the "conservation" angle, which I question, it is likely that far more funding for "conservation" comes from the people who want to see those animals alive. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:42:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it won't. Retards are retarded. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:53:13 AM EDT
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Let's outlaw the legal hunting of African game so the natives slaughter every last animal to grind up into dick pills for the Chinese.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:28:34 PM EDT
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while everyone is getting stressed over the dentist and the lion, gangs of black poachers have been roaming Africa for decades killing protected and endangered species for decades. What's up with that?
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:36:24 PM EDT
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#zebralivesmatter
Thats all I got on this 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:37:20 PM EDT
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while everyone is getting stressed over the dentist and the lion, gangs of black poachers have been roaming Africa for decades killing protected and endangered species for decades. What's up with that? It wasn't done by "A rich WHITE dentist". How is this confusing you? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Join date - Check.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:52:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:56:04 PM EDT
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That is possibly mostly wrong. I bet much of it goes to "profit" for the guides leading the hunt. Even if you want to use the "conservation" angle, which I question, it is likely that far more funding for "conservation" comes from the people who want to see those animals alive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Glad to know you're happy to have African big game species eradicated. I don't trophy hunt anything but the money the hunters pay goes directly to conservation. That is possibly mostly wrong. I bet much of it goes to "profit" for the guides leading the hunt. Even if you want to use the "conservation" angle, which I question, it is likely that far more funding for "conservation" comes from the people who want to see those animals alive. Your asinine assertions that are contrary to the facts have been noted. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:01:06 PM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Can you go too? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:09:03 PM EDT
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Hunting 2 legged predators is where it's at.
Check with CIA, OR US MILITARY |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is possibly mostly wrong. I bet much of it goes to "profit" for the guides leading the hunt. Even if you want to use the "conservation" angle, which I question, it is likely that far more funding for "conservation" comes from the people who want to see those animals alive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Glad to know you're happy to have African big game species eradicated. I don't trophy hunt anything but the money the hunters pay goes directly to conservation. That is possibly mostly wrong. I bet much of it goes to "profit" for the guides leading the hunt. Even if you want to use the "conservation" angle, which I question, it is likely that far more funding for "conservation" comes from the people who want to see those animals alive. My "guide" or PH makes $45.00 US a day along with food and board while working. He relies on the gratuity from me at the end of the hunt. Most do it because they love the work and grew up doing it. My PH can only afford to do it part-time and has another job in the logistics field. He is ex-SADF special forces and has spent most of his life in the bush. The conservancy I hunted on employs, feeds a whole community. The trackers, skinners, recovery personnel, their wives, kids, fathers mother all work and/or live at the conservancy. They are provided housing, medical care and food among many other things. They have a very elaborate breeding program. These guys grew up here and know EVERY animal in this 75000 acre conservancy. Tracking, recovery team.  The animals harvested go to feed the community and anything left is sold (usually dried into biltong or jerky) with the proceeds going to the kids schools. Various businesses in the area benefit as well. Local veterinarians are on contract, they hire security contractors that specialize in counter-poaching. The taxidermists who prepare and ship the trophies. The local outfitters and suppliers for the lodge. Construction personnel who take care of the fencing and lodges. I choose not to hunt anything other than plains game. No cats, elephants, rhinos, giraffes, etc. But thats just me. Each animal harvested, (yes harvested is a proper term, this is a farm) is carefully chosen and taken before it suffers and perishes because of any number of factors including age, sickness or parasites. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:26:07 PM EDT
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Aren't you the guy that was utterly defeated by an end plate on your rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird Aren't you the guy that was utterly defeated by an end plate on your rifle? 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:26:40 PM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird So your OK with those game animals going the way of the dodobird, because happy thoughts and episodes of National Geographic don't pay for the game wardens to keep poachers and locals from killing the animals? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:29:12 PM EDT
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird L oh fucking L!!! Someday I will eat fresh zebra heart while sitting on my kudu skin chair while watching topless African woman dance in the firelight. 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:36:23 PM EDT
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I'm fine with trophy hunting as long as it's well managed. When it's not, we risk disasters, species driven to extinction and other species over populating and dying of starvation.
While hunting in the US is, for the most part, well managed, which of us can say that's always the case in other countries, specially African countries where nothing seems to be well managed? Not that it's any of our business if it is or not, but we seem to want to stick our noses in all their other businesses, why not this one too? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:36:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #zebralivesmatter Thats all I got on this  It took me most of the day to get this guy in position! This old stallion was the stud of his herd. I watched him fight 3 other, younger stallions challenging him for control of the herd. He ran about 60 yards before he piled after I stuck him. Hid hooves were in bad shape, his teeth were worn down badly and parasites were beginning to take hold. My PH gave him maybe one more season to live and he was on the verge of losing his herd. It was my honor to take him at the top of his game. Yes, his tenderloin was delicious. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:47:46 PM EDT
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Is it only trophy hunting if you shoot them?
Because I once killed a tiger, but that was with syphilis. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:49:43 PM EDT
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I am not sure if Zimbabwe has a law against animal waist but they should, its common for the African game hunter to provide hundreds of meals to local tribes and people with a single kill animal skins and other useful stuff for people living a tribal life style, its not exactly poor African kids dying in filth like you see in "Save the poor children of Africa" commericals the icing on the cake is, he gets a trophy No different than dear hunting, we hunt for meat, and we get a keep sake to remember it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm OK with trophy hunting going the way of the dodobird I am not sure if Zimbabwe has a law against animal waist but they should, its common for the African game hunter to provide hundreds of meals to local tribes and people with a single kill animal skins and other useful stuff for people living a tribal life style, its not exactly poor African kids dying in filth like you see in "Save the poor children of Africa" commericals the icing on the cake is, he gets a trophy No different than dear hunting, we hunt for meat, and we get a keep sake to remember it animal waist? Fat animals? |
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