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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:38:02 AM EDT
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While it exists, it isn't 90% of the net.
But yes there is a whole sub-set of the internet. Some of it is hackers, some of it privacy and crypto freaks, some of it is drug and arms dealers, some of it is other horrible shit. There was a site called Silk Road which sold just about everything but child pron. Here is an interesting article on how they took it down. http://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/ |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:42:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you drive to Utah?...... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A friend of mine is a local chief of police. I regularly ask him if they need any folks like that disposed of. Would you drive to Utah?...... |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:45:14 AM EDT
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what I've seen in EMS would keep you up at nights fucking people are sick and this internet has only fueled it a million times . Quoted:
Can't really vent this to my wife unit. You judgmental nuts are my only outlet. So I'll keep this short. I feel blind and naive after learning some of the things I did today. Essentially the Internet most of us see is merely a small percentage of what there actually is. And what is left over (about 90%) is unregulated and untraceable to a degree. In this 90% of "dark web", "deep web" etc you find the worst of the worst. It makes liveleak look like the Disney Channel. I had to sit through a IT Evidence Preservation class for work which involved filing cases of child porn. I know jack about computers and for work we have to keep digital evidence safe to give to the people that can open up the devices, etc. During this, the IT guy who is what I can only describe as a hacker laid a bunch of knowledge on us. Where these people hang out to trade pics etc and then started to tiptoe around the even darker side. Of course the warnings were clear "if you don't know what you're doing, stay away and off the dark web" which I easily can adhere to for many reason. Morally being one. However I had to watch a few documentaries tonight. Worst thing I could of done. To hear about the atrocities committed by people sickens and saddens me - I want to hold my children and hope they will never see or hear about this crap. I can watch a video of some Mexican guy being executed but when humanity is willing to cross a line in to torturing infants for entertainment. That's when I just think to myself - if there's a god he is ashamed and there is evil in this world that is indescribable. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:45:56 AM EDT
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I have found that if I take on all the suffering and inhumanity in the world I go crazy.
My only recourse is NOT IN MY WORLD. If I see it, I do whats necessary. Be that call the police or in one case a woman slapping the shit out of a very small baby in a shopping cart at the grocery store I approached her and ripped her a new asshole. Fix what you can in your world and pray for the rest of the world. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:01:12 AM EDT
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Op, to some degree I can feel your pain. I had to do jury duty for almost two week. I had to listen to a weeks worth of testimony on how this special needs student raped another special needs little girl. I watched as all the scuzzy lawyers did their thing. Especially the defense for school district. Turns out this little boy had pulled this kind of thing before and should have had special attention. Long story short, the little boy who committed the rape was moved to a different school in the same district and no one at the new school was made aware of this little boys TWO prior incidents and he raped another student. This time a little boy special needs student. The whole time the attorneys for the school district were having information suppressed and trying to paint the parents of the little girl as bad people. I actually cried for a little bit at seeing how fucked up our system could be after it was all over. So yes,there is extreme evil in this world and you can rest ashore that some scuzzy shit bag lawyer will be more then happy to step up,sell his soul and defend it.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:03:05 AM EDT
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I read "torturing infants" and thought you had to see that as part of the seminar. I also have no idea how to get to that part of the internet and have no desire to ever see any of that. There is enough awfulness running through my head. I don't need to see children abused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You watched a video of a baby being tortured? Shit no. Even on a law enforcement side I couldn't stomach that. Documentary. YouTube has a lot about what is on the "dark web". Not sure how you got that from my post. I've never been or plan to be past Bing/Google/ARFCOM. Nor do I have the know how to even make my computer to get there. It takes programs etc. I read "torturing infants" and thought you had to see that as part of the seminar. I also have no idea how to get to that part of the internet and have no desire to ever see any of that. There is enough awfulness running through my head. I don't need to see children abused. I read the same thing. Not sure how he's not sure how you (we) got that from his post. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:04:42 AM EDT
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Child sex slavery is a thing. Hell, straight up slavery is still a thing worldwide. We don't see a lot of pre-teen prostitution here but in other parts of the world it's not as hidden. Not that the US government didn't directly fund some Afghan bell boys every now and then when it was politically convenient. The UK government practically had an underground child delivery service for pedos at one point. Working juvenile sex crimes is such a drain on people because you either want to pop the bastard and fuck due process or you see so much sick shit that it starts to eat your soul. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Humans have been doing unspeakably horrible things to one another since always. Only now, we have video evidence of them doing so. One of the most blatant examples I recall was the early days of the Mau Mau uprising, when some of the rebels attacked a house, and hacked a 6-year-old to death with machetes. The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:15:26 AM EDT
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I watch COPS for the same reason.
I have a hard time believing that such stupidity exits. You took it to the next level. And while I know that evil does exist, I also believe you cannot be exposed to it without being changed--not necessarily for the worse, no damaged or perverted, but changed. It is something I like to keep in the back of my mind, but almost never let it come to the forefront. Ever vigilant, ever vigilant. And "Be the change you want to see in the world." |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:09:20 AM EDT
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Hunting these guys down is my life. And I'm more than happy to do it.
How can I work these cases and see this stuff? These are somebody's children and I owe it to them to do everything I can to rescue them. If not me, who? Every time someone tries to nickel and dime us over equipment and training, I ask "What if these were your kids? How much would it be worth to you?" There is stuff out there that people would never be able to handle or accept. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:10:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:12:02 AM EDT
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Amen and your right op. There are some really sick f*+ks out there. All I can say is one day they will meet their Maker and it won't be pleasant. You can type the word "fucks" on Arfcom. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:17:06 AM EDT
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Can't really vent this to my wife unit. You judgmental nuts are my only outlet. So I'll keep this short. I feel blind and naive after learning some of the things I did today. Essentially the Internet most of us see is merely a small percentage of what there actually is. And what is left over (about 90%) is unregulated and untraceable to a degree. In this 90% of "dark web", "deep web" etc you find the worst of the worst. It makes liveleak look like the Disney Channel. I had to sit through a IT Evidence Preservation class for work which involved filing cases of child porn. I know jack about computers and for work we have to keep digital evidence safe to give to the people that can open up the devices, etc. During this, the IT guy who is what I can only describe as a hacker laid a bunch of knowledge on us. Where these people hang out to trade pics etc and then started to tiptoe around the even darker side. Of course the warnings were clear "if you don't know what you're doing, stay away and off the dark web" which I easily can adhere to for many reason. Morally being one. However I had to watch a few documentaries tonight. Worst thing I could of done. To hear about the atrocities committed by people sickens and saddens me - I want to hold my children and hope they will never see or hear about this crap. I can watch a video of some Mexican guy being executed but when humanity is willing to cross a line in to torturing infants for entertainment. That's when I just think to myself - if there's a god he is ashamed and there is evil in this world that is indescribable. Only thing worse is processing the incident locations and going to the autopsies. Once you see the world for what it really is, you're never the same. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:36:44 AM EDT
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Well just know that many many people are thankful for what you do. Here is a short article about an awesome detective I used to work with. He did a great job catching many and now moved to Thailand to help stop kids from being sex slaves. http://m.lancasteronline.com/news/local/ephrata-detective-wife-to-battle-child-trafficking-in-thailand/article_6163ca9c-2fa0-11e4-8b41-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm
"Besides sacrificing the comforts of life in America, they'll be giving up a hefty retirement payout and lifetime health benefits to work with some of the world's poorest children in less-than-desirable conditions. In Brad's case, he'll trade a detective's badge and suit for the undercover look of an American pedophile" |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:47:59 AM EDT
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Shit no. Even on a law enforcement side I couldn't stomach that. Documentary. YouTube has a lot about what is on the "dark web". Not sure how you got that from my post. I've never been or plan to be past Bing/Google/ARFCOM. Nor do I have the know how to even make my computer to get there. It takes programs etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You watched a video of a baby being tortured? Shit no. Even on a law enforcement side I couldn't stomach that. Documentary. YouTube has a lot about what is on the "dark web". Not sure how you got that from my post. I've never been or plan to be past Bing/Google/ARFCOM. Nor do I have the know how to even make my computer to get there. It takes programs etc. Because that's how some of us interpreted your post. Next time write what you mean. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:59:58 AM EDT
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'Dark web' is perhaps the second-most abused phrase in IT, right after 'the cloud'. Here, here! The stuff you see on Tor and I2p is one thing but some of the more heinous stuff is invitation only, off-shore vpn and old-fashioned dial-up BBS systems. I've been in an "IT" related field for most of my life. I started running a BBS when I was 15 on a 486 with a 28.8 modem. Going to college and then working professionally in Information Security and Compliance, you get to see some repugnant shit. With everything I've seen, I'd still have to say that my next-door neighbor's seen much, much worse. He did a 2 year stint as an undercover narcotics cop for a tri-county task force and had to go back to patrol. He couldn't deal with it anymore -- and it wasn't the drugs. The world is a sick, sick place being held in place by a very thin skin of civility. DFM |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 8:07:09 AM EDT
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I read the same thing. Not sure how he's not sure how you (we) got that from his post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You watched a video of a baby being tortured? Shit no. Even on a law enforcement side I couldn't stomach that. Documentary. YouTube has a lot about what is on the "dark web". Not sure how you got that from my post. I've never been or plan to be past Bing/Google/ARFCOM. Nor do I have the know how to even make my computer to get there. It takes programs etc. I read "torturing infants" and thought you had to see that as part of the seminar. I also have no idea how to get to that part of the internet and have no desire to ever see any of that. There is enough awfulness running through my head. I don't need to see children abused. I read the same thing. Not sure how he's not sure how you (we) got that from his post. +1 I read it as, "I saw some horrible shit, guys. Please hold me." Then it turns out he only heard about it. I've heard about pretty bad things the Romans, Nazis and ISIS have done. I've also seen bad suit in a pediatric ER. Yeah, people can be horrible to each other, including other people's children. This is not new. There is also some incredible good in this world. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 8:10:10 AM EDT
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OP, Faith in Humanity is a misnomer.
Why place your Faith in that which is corruptible? You will only be let down time & time again. Even those that claim to "Fight Evil" in the world are not exempt. Often times, as an example of the political class, they are but hypocrites. God is the only being worth having Faith in. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 8:34:34 AM EDT
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It's always been there...you just know about it now.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 8:49:25 AM EDT
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The world is a sick, sick place being held in place by a very thin skin of civility. DFM Getting thinner by the day. Just fucking animals, It can be witnessed in all aspects and walks of life. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:02:10 AM EDT
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Amen and your right op. There are some really sick f*+ks out there. All I can say is one day they will meet their Maker and it won't be pleasant. You can type the word "fucks" on Arfcom. Well,he basically has prayer,God and heaven/hell in his post,so I guess as a Christian he felt uncomfortable typing "fucks",even if he doesn't have any problem thinking it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:10:05 AM EDT
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+1 I read it as, "I saw some horrible shit, guys. Please hold me." Then it turns out he only heard about it. I've heard about pretty bad things the Romans, Nazis and ISIS have done. I've also seen bad suit in a pediatric ER. Yeah, people can be horrible to each other, including other people's children. This is not new. There is also some incredible good in this world. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shit no. Even on a law enforcement side I couldn't stomach that. Documentary. YouTube has a lot about what is on the "dark web". Not sure how you got that from my post. I've never been or plan to be past Bing/Google/ARFCOM. Nor do I have the know how to even make my computer to get there. It takes programs etc. I read "torturing infants" and thought you had to see that as part of the seminar. I also have no idea how to get to that part of the internet and have no desire to ever see any of that. There is enough awfulness running through my head. I don't need to see children abused. I read the same thing. Not sure how he's not sure how you (we) got that from his post. +1 I read it as, "I saw some horrible shit, guys. Please hold me." Then it turns out he only heard about it. I've heard about pretty bad things the Romans, Nazis and ISIS have done. I've also seen bad suit in a pediatric ER. Yeah, people can be horrible to each other, including other people's children. This is not new. There is also some incredible good in this world. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
I can watch a video of some Mexican guy being executed but when humanity is willing to cross a line in to torturing infants for entertainment. That's when I just think to myself - if there's a god he is ashamed and there is evil in this world that is indescribable. That literally reads as, "I can watch some guy being executed, but having to see an infant tortured for entertainment makes me think....." But I think it was just the condescending, "Not sure how you got that from my post" that was annoying. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:54:00 AM EDT
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Amen and your right op. There are some really sick f*+ks out there. All I can say is one day they will meet their Maker and it won't be pleasant. And atheists who lead good lives will be right there beside them to burn in Hell eternally for their terrible sins!!! And who are you to judge them? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:08:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Humans have been doing unspeakably horrible things to one another since always. Only now, we have video evidence of them doing so. One of the most blatant examples I recall was the early days of the Mau Mau uprising, when some of the rebels attacked a house, and hacked a 6-year-old to death with machetes. The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys.  |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:19:31 AM EDT
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Jeremiah 17:9 "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:23:31 AM EDT
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Never heard of the dark web, until now.
 if it's so well known why not shut them down?
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:36:19 AM EDT
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Never heard of the dark web, until now. if it's so well known why not shut them down?LOL. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:40:33 AM EDT
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Hunting these guys down is my life. And I'm more than happy to do it. How can I work these cases and see this stuff? These are somebody's children and I owe it to them to do everything I can to rescue them. If not me, who? Every time someone tries to nickel and dime us over equipment and training, I ask "What if these were your kids? How much would it be worth to you?" There is stuff out there that people would never be able to handle or accept. This is what I would like, at some point, to do if I had the ability. I have a feeling it would become a pure unbridled commitment for me to hunt these subhuman fucks. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:42:50 AM EDT
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Humans have been doing unspeakably horrible things to one another since always. Only now, we have video evidence of them doing so. One of the most blatant examples I recall was the early days of the Mau Mau uprising, when some of the rebels attacked a house, and hacked a 6-year-old to death with machetes. The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys.
Dynacorp is number 1 for hookers. I mean, hair cut/massage ladies. I've seen them deliver a busload of old Philippine hookers to a Romanian party. Barf. NATO contractor hiring companies more or less kidnap ten of thousands of people from other third world countries, force them to retroactively repay their international transportation costs, hold their passports hostage, and pay them all sub human wages while charging the USG massive amounts of money for the work they're doing. When they try to escape or report shit, those companies often use certain Non-American security firms to just drive them out in the desert and shoot them. These are the people who do food, logistics, laundry, vehicle maintenance, etc. There was a good long period of time where the quickest way to get your kid a commission as a police LT in Afghanistan was to donate him to some Captain so he could get passed around for a good four or so years before being given his own checkpoint. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:43:37 AM EDT
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That's why I could never be a cop. I'd go full-on "law abiding citizen" on those sick motherfuckers.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:44:30 AM EDT
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Man as a species is not worthy of this planet or Gods love.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:59:56 AM EDT
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Man as a species is not worthy of this planet or Gods love. Because a small % of us are inexplicably evil? Most people are inherently decent from what I've found with around 25% being dirtbags and maybe 1% being evil SOB's. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:15:38 AM EDT
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Amen and your right op. There are some really sick f*+ks out there. All I can say is one day they will meet their Maker and it won't be pleasant. And atheists who lead good lives will be right there beside them to burn in Hell eternally for their terrible sins!!! How very Christian snidely atheist of you. FIFY. If I read it correctly, he was actually bashing belief in God's ultimate justice. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:26:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY. If I read it correctly, he was actually bashing belief in God's ultimate justice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Amen and your right op. There are some really sick f*+ks out there. All I can say is one day they will meet their Maker and it won't be pleasant. And atheists who lead good lives will be right there beside them to burn in Hell eternally for their terrible sins!!! How very Christian snidely atheist of you. FIFY. If I read it correctly, he was actually bashing belief in God's ultimate justice. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:42:42 AM EDT
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Didn't the gov make the "dark/deep web" possible with the TOR ( I think that is what its called ) program. Yes. TOR Way i understand it, US navy created this stuff The US Navy created the dark web? 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:51:05 AM EDT
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Because a small % of us are inexplicably evil? Most people are inherently decent from what I've found with around 25% being dirtbags and maybe 1% being evil SOB's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man as a species is not worthy of this planet or Gods love. Because a small % of us are inexplicably evil? Most people are inherently decent from what I've found with around 25% being dirtbags and maybe 1% being evil SOB's. +1 While we all generally look out for our own interests first, we try to create mutually beneficial relationships. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:56:17 AM EDT
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I bet the guys in law enforcement whose jobs it is to spend their time surfing those sites and rooting these sick bastards out are some messed up people after a while. You just couldn't deal with that shit every day without it eventually fucking your mind up really bad. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 12:27:03 PM EDT
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+1 While we all generally look out for our own interests first, we try to create mutually beneficial relationships. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man as a species is not worthy of this planet or Gods love. Because a small % of us are inexplicably evil? Most people are inherently decent from what I've found with around 25% being dirtbags and maybe 1% being evil SOB's. +1 While we all generally look out for our own interests first, we try to create mutually beneficial relationships. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile An important point of which many are ignorant. The dirtbags are usually people that are too stupid to realize that their best interest is best served by treating others well. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 12:31:46 PM EDT
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Child sex slavery is a thing. Hell, straight up slavery is still a thing worldwide. We don't see a lot of pre-teen prostitution here but in other parts of the world it's not as hidden. Not that the US government didn't directly fund some Afghan bell boys every now and then when it was politically convenient. The UK government practically had an underground child delivery service for pedos at one point. Working juvenile sex crimes is such a drain on people because you either want to pop the bastard and fuck due process or you see so much sick shit that it starts to eat your soul. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Humans have been doing unspeakably horrible things to one another since always. Only now, we have video evidence of them doing so. One of the most blatant examples I recall was the early days of the Mau Mau uprising, when some of the rebels attacked a house, and hacked a 6-year-old to death with machetes. There have been several busts lately involving people pimping kidnapped girls out at truck stops. Girls, not women. They moved them from state to state. It happens here, but for some reason the media doesn't give it much attention. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 12:38:45 PM EDT
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These things have been going on forever. Just a different venue now with technology. This. The concept of evil is not new. The internet just lets you see it more clearly. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 12:41:18 PM EDT
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There are some sick, sick people on this planet
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:14:09 PM EDT
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The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Humans have been doing unspeakably horrible things to one another since always. Only now, we have video evidence of them doing so. One of the most blatant examples I recall was the early days of the Mau Mau uprising, when some of the rebels attacked a house, and hacked a 6-year-old to death with machetes. The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys. The what now? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:26:32 PM EDT
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Our country is less than 10 years away from a push to legalize our own Bacha Bazi. Bet on it. And nobody will do a thing about it. Except talk. Bet on that too. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:38:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The what now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The NATO/USG's commercial use of human trafficking victims has nothing to do with afghan bell boys. The what now? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:41:33 PM EDT
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I'll adjust the ROE.
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Our country is less than 10 years away from a push to legalize our own Bacha Bazi. Bet on it. And nobody will do a thing about it. Except talk. Bet on that too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:30:51 PM EDT
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I bet the guys in law enforcement whose jobs it is to spend their time surfing those sites and rooting these sick bastards out are some messed up people after a while. You just couldn't deal with that shit every day without it eventually fucking your mind up really bad. It will fuck with your mind, and quickly. You'll never think the same again, or look at people the same again. Trusting people is even harder.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:39:43 PM EDT
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Our country is less than 10 years away from a push to legalize our own Bacha Bazi. Bet on it. And nobody will do a thing about it. Except talk. Bet on that too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:53:55 PM EDT
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How do people go through life so insulated that they don't comprehend that evil exists and is all around you.
I'm more shocked by peoples ignorance than I am by their atrocities. Welcome to earth OP. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:55:42 PM EDT
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These things have been going on forever. Just a different venue now with technology. Yep. I'm glad I don't do child porn work anymore. Shit makes you jaded. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:04:17 PM EDT
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These things have been going on forever. Just a different venue now with technology. People haven't changed, ever. Good men don't need laws, and bad men won't abide by them. That's a paraphrase from a Greek of about 2500 years ago. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:05:19 PM EDT
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Recognize your DNA is from Adam and so you too are a sinner. Repent and be saved by Jesus.
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