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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:07:23 AM EDT
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The weapon was taken to police headquarters...
Why? Are they afraid it might go off again? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:16:11 AM EDT
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The weapon was taken to police headquarters... Why? Are they afraid it might go off again? Probably as evidence in an injury incident, and maybe they're planning on sending it to a forensics lab? Just a guess. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:29:17 AM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:58:29 AM EDT
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Glock makes muskets?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:01:16 AM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. Same thing I thought. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:08:06 AM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. Well, any smokeless powder would be too much then wouldn't it? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:15:58 AM EDT
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I know very little about black powder firearm, but I would. Imagine too much of wrong powder would create essentially a pipe bomb.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:17:47 AM EDT
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I guess if you had to have a story behind losing two fingers that would be a bad one because it shows you're an idiot that didn't know what he was doing. Two less fingernails to clip now. Hopefully, he gets the musket back as a wall hanger and reminder.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:34:15 AM EDT
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Lawsuit against the gun and powder maker as well as the group that sponsored the event will be filed by next week.
Probably sue the city too just because. 
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:36:39 AM EDT
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I am going to go with smokeless powder.
Any amount in a BP weapon is too much However there is another possibility. He could have had one of the cheapo Indian made replicas, those can fail. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:54:00 AM EDT
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Most muzzle loaders are pretty stout it takes a concerted effort to blow on up.
A few reasons that I can think of is using a little bit of bullseye 5 gr. or so under the BP, some people used to think this eliminated fouling to a degree. One too many Pyrodex pellets in search of velocity. Stupidly using smokeless instead of BP |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:02:05 PM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. That's what I'm thinking. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:11:01 PM EDT
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"In this ceremony, we remove two of your fingers using a deliberate musket mis-fire".
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:19:12 PM EDT
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Well, any smokeless powder would be too much then wouldn't it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. Well, any smokeless powder would be too much then wouldn't it? I've heard of people loading NAA blackpowder .22s and Ruger Old Armys with Bullseye. Never seen a charge weight but from what I have read it's common, if unwise. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:30:46 PM EDT
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Police say he put too much gunpowder into the weapon, causing the barrel to explode from the wooden stock when it was fired. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MUSKET_MISFIRE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-07-30-06-08-05 im not understanding how this is possible. unless he was using SMOKELESS powder. i used to have a muzzle loader book, that demonstrated how tough muzzleloaders were, and how it was pretty much impossible to blow one up using large powder charges. they filled 1/2 the barrel up .. i meant to say, they used multiple charges.. 2-3-4 times the normal load, over triple bullets and didnt do it....IIRC and seated a bullet... and it just recoiled hard.... then they seated three bullets... still kicked hard.... now over loading.. and seating a bullet.. then loading a second bullet and leaving about a 6 inch gap between bullets blew them up pretty easily. im not buying the guy used too much powder..... unless he was using regular gun powder... and not pyrodex etc. im not saying you cant blow one up, by using too much powder... as black powder is pretty dangerous stuff... and theres no way in hell id do a double or triple charge myself... im just saying a read a thick muzzle loader book, and they did experiments TRYING to blow one up... and triple charges, even over triple bullets would not / did not blow the gun up.... they tried it multiple times, shooting it by pulling a string... |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:31:03 PM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. this |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:31:48 PM EDT
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Damn.
Just glad they did not put a packing rod through someone's chest like another reenactment did. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:32:56 PM EDT
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Well, any smokeless powder would be too much then wouldn't it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. Well, any smokeless powder would be too much then wouldn't it? in a old design yes..... but savage made a muzzle loader designed for smokeless powder... but i think it was discontinued, as if you double loaded it you would most likely blow yourself up. supposed to use 100 grains of pyrodex..... but you accidently load 200..... just kicks harder IIRC. supposed to load 30 grains of smokeless and you load 60...... BOOM |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:33:21 PM EDT
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You'd have to use an awful lot of blackpowder to do that, enough that anyone would know it's too much. He probably used smokeless.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:40:31 PM EDT
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this seems perfect for the subject.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:42:38 PM EDT
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I'm offended that a musket is called a "weapon"
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Posted: 7/30/2015 12:49:27 PM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. Powderhorn full of Red Dot, probably. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 1:03:11 PM EDT
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Too much gunpowder, my ass. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the guy used smokeless powder instead of black powder. Normally one does not load a ball in a display shot. Some guys use a crumpled patch as a wad so the charge stays together while they handle the gun, but the patch has no meaningful mass or resistance to expansion of the gas. Without the ball, smokeless should just burn. If he piled a heavy load of FFFFg in there, that could detonate. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 1:07:42 PM EDT
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I seem to recall there are Indian-made muskets imported as "display pieces" that some people actually shoot.
What could possibly go wrong. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 1:11:55 PM EDT
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The weapon was taken to police headquarters... Why? Are they afraid it might go off again? Just a slightly educated guess here: maybe they took it to figure out if any crime was involved, like tampering with the barrel to hurt or kill the operator or intentional use of the wrong gunpowder (unknown to the operator) occurred. If it had, losing fingers would amount to mayhem, a pretty serious felony. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 1:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am going to go with smokeless powder. Any amount in a BP weapon is too much However there is another possibility. He could have had one of the cheapo Indian made replicas, those can fail. There has been ONE documented failure of an Indian made repro in the US, and that one had been seriously neglected by its owner according the testing done by HP White. But I agree with the previous posters, it's most likely that he put smokeless in the gun. |
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