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Posted: 7/30/2015 1:17:52 AM EDT
Bursting NJ bubbles

My old friends and I were discussing national concealed carry.

They were here at my place in Pa, we were shooting most of the day.



They were all saying if we take the White house in 2016 then they will all be able to carry.

I hated to tell them the truth.



The truth is if National concealed carry happens it will not be a CCW issued by the Fed.

It will be more akin to the way all states have to have to recognize all other states drivers licenses.

Your home state CCW will be valid in all 50 states.



That leaves New Jersey citizens at a severe disadvantage, since there is slim to no chance of getting a NJ CCW to use in the other states.

The funny (strange) thing is that people from other states will be safer traveling or visiting NJ?

JHC, talk about irony



The look on their faces as it dawned on them the gist & meaning of what I just said.



On the bright side, if passed I'll be able to do something I have always wanted to do.

There are places in NJ I still wouldn't go even if armed to the teeth.


Link Posted: 7/30/2015 1:21:19 AM EDT
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If states were forced to recognize each others' permits, couldn't they just get a non-resident permit from another state and carry in NJ and elsewhere?
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 1:22:47 AM EDT
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The other States don't have to recognize other States' drivers licenses.   That happened over a period of years through reciprocal agreements and unilateral acts of the several State legislatures.
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I worked for the Port Authority of NY&NJ, which was created by the U.S. Congress.

Crossed the Hudson river dozens of times a day, and only had a NY drivers license, so the Feds can trump the States.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2015 1:50:49 AM EDT
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you
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I worked for the Port Authority of NY&NJ, which was created by the U.S. Congress.

Crossed the Hudson river dozens of times a day, and only had a NY drivers license, so the Feds can trump the States.
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The other States don't have to recognize other States' drivers licenses.   That happened over a period of years through reciprocal agreements and unilateral acts of the several State legislatures.




I worked for the Port Authority of NY&NJ, which was created by the U.S. Congress.

Crossed the Hudson river dozens of times a day, and only had a NY drivers license, so the Feds can trump the States.


This doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government.

NJ recognizes NY drivers licenses.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 2:06:52 AM EDT
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you
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Some parts are still nice.

It's the cities that have gone to complete shit.
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I have a funny feeling they are going to narrow the reciprocity to home issued state CCW



 
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 2:27:50 AM EDT
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I just came in to check my email......



It's hot and humid here and my bedroom AC aint doing shit.




I'm going back out on the deck. I have a lounge chair and a white linen sheet.




I'm on a lake, the third street up from the water. It's a steep hill. I can reach out from my deck and touch the spines of the big blue spruce trees.




I'll sleep out here tonight. New Jersey is more beautifull than most imagine.


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I just came in to check my email......

It's hot and humid here and my bedroom AC aint doing shit.


I'm going back out on the deck. I have a lounge chair and a white linen sheet.


I'm on a lake, the third street up from the water. It's a steep hill. I can reach out from my deck and touch the spines of the big blue spruce trees.


I'll sleep out here tonight. New Jersey is more beautifull than most imagine.

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not Newark

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Doesn't change the fact that it's New Jersey.   CA can be quite nice as well....
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Not Newark, Camden, Trenton or Patterson.



And not California.




While I said it's a beautifull place to live, and it is.




Nobody really hassles you.




You can hunt, fish and do whatever.
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I just came in to check my email......

It's hot and humid here and my bedroom AC aint doing shit.


I'm going back out on the deck. I have a lounge chair and a white linen sheet.


I'm on a lake, the third street up from the water. It's a steep hill. I can reach out from my deck and touch the spines of the big blue spruce trees.


I'll sleep out here tonight. New Jersey is more beautifull than most imagine.

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I have no arguement with that, even though I've never been to NJ. But so is California.

It wasn't because of Yosemite that I moved to New Mexico.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 5:17:27 AM EDT
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Having just escaped from being in North Jersey earlier this week, the toll collector on the PA side of I-287 and I had a good laugh over the fact I'd  have gladly paid 5 times the toll ($1.00) to leave NJ.
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I just came in to check my email......



It's hot and humid here and my bedroom AC aint doing shit.





I'm going back out on the deck. I have a lounge chair and a white linen sheet.





I'm on a lake, the third street up from the water. It's a steep hill. I can reach out from my deck and touch the spines of the big blue spruce trees.





I'll sleep out here tonight. New Jersey is more beautifull than most imagine.



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I shot my scar 17 .45 and 9 mm off my back deck the other night, maybe Mj is not as nice as you think

 
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 5:58:52 AM EDT
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Im all for Nationwide CCW.  

I will never, ever ever visit NJ.
And fuck NY and CA too
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yeah his side doesnt hold water. his friend could get a non resident fl ccw and will then be able to carry in all 50 states including nj.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 7:47:46 AM EDT
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you
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So, the streams and lakes are polluted? There's no farms left? You could also say that production as a whole has moved to China for the entire country. Not just NJ. There are still a lot of farms and open spaces in NJ. Man, I can't believe I just defended this shit hole state.

As far as national carry? Yeah, it may happen for the rest of the nation but unless NJ gets rid of all the corrupt liberal and democratic officials it'll never happen. This state is a prison for it's residents.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 7:54:55 AM EDT
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If places like NJ are ever "forced" to recognize carry permits issued by other states, here is what will happen if you visit and are carrying:

- You will be ordered out of the car and proned out when they find you are carrying.
- They will find a pretext to confiscate your gun (check if it's stolen, whatever)
- They will find a way to "detain", if not arrest you, for something else.

Bottom line, they will harass you, confiscate your gun, force you to return and appear in their courts. You will, of course, have recourse to an attorney. good luck with that.

Maybe Krispy Kreme will help. I hear he's solid on guns.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 8:00:17 AM EDT
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you
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Lol wut. You described like 15% of the state mostly up north/central. Burned out manufacturing towns. Which is common across the NE.

Where's this steel mill in Cherry Hill? I've never heard of it.
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not Newark



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I just came in to check my email......



It's hot and humid here and my bedroom AC aint doing shit.





I'm going back out on the deck. I have a lounge chair and a white linen sheet.





I'm on a lake, the third street up from the water. It's a steep hill. I can reach out from my deck and touch the spines of the big blue spruce trees.





I'll sleep out here tonight. New Jersey is more beautifull than most imagine.





not Newark



Or Paterson, or East Orange or  Jersey City or ...





Eh, I lived in NY until I was 21 and moved out. I lived in suburbia (Boonton Twp.)



Deer in the back yard etc. Nice area, but not gun friendly and in areas too many people.



 
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This doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government.

NJ recognizes NY drivers licenses.
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The other States don't have to recognize other States' drivers licenses.   That happened over a period of years through reciprocal agreements and unilateral acts of the several State legislatures.




I worked for the Port Authority of NY&NJ, which was created by the U.S. Congress.

Crossed the Hudson river dozens of times a day, and only had a NY drivers license, so the Feds can trump the States.


This doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government.

NJ recognizes NY drivers licenses.




We have the interstate highway system.

States couldn't refuse to recognize another's drivers license if they wanted to.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 9:10:44 AM EDT
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you
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Why? Why did that happen?

Any correlation to labor and regulatory costs, such as unions and taxes?
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Having just escaped from being in North Jersey earlier this week, the toll collector on the PA side of I-287 and I had a good laugh over the fact I'd  have gladly paid 5 times the toll ($1.00) to leave NJ.
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287 side of PA ?
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Not Newark, Camden, Trenton or Patterson.

And not California.


While I said it's a beautifull place to live, and it is.


Nobody really hassles you.


You can hunt, fish and do whatever.
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Except pump your own gas or carry a pistol concealed.
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yes

Maybe.

Colorado doesn't recognize out of state permits for residents.
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not Newark



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I just came in to check my email......



It's hot and humid here and my bedroom AC aint doing shit.





I'm going back out on the deck. I have a lounge chair and a white linen sheet.





I'm on a lake, the third street up from the water. It's a steep hill. I can reach out from my deck and touch the spines of the big blue spruce trees.





I'll sleep out here tonight. New Jersey is more beautifull than most imagine.





not Newark



True

Also true people that crack on other states don't show where they are from



 
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Not Newark, Camden, Trenton or Patterson.



And not California.





While I said it's a beautifull place to live, and it is.





Nobody really hassles you.





You can hunt, fish and do whatever.

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Having lived most of my life in jersey (now Pa) I grew up deep sea fishing from my Dads boat, I also learned to hunt, long guns and bow.

We went camping and and did all the things every state has to offer, most of NJ is really nice to look at, except the inner cities.

The women in jersey for the most part are pretty fine looking, here in Pa there is a marked difference in womens looks.



All that said, you can't even stop on the side of the road to talk to a friend (2 cars) with out some type of officer stopping to ask what you are doing and fishing, aggressively fishing too.  



 
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Im all for Nationwide CCW.  



I will never, ever ever visit NJ.

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yeah all of Texas is so nice



 
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 11:19:55 AM EDT
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The reality is that NJ is ONLY Going to get CCW when the Supreme Court rules that "Justifiable Need" is an Unconstitutional Restriction on a Basic Right.  Unlees and UNTIL Justifiable Need is struck down and the NJ Courts are taken completely out of the loop in the Carry Permit Process, Nothing will Change.
Link Posted: 7/30/2015 11:21:20 AM EDT
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Some parts are still nice.

It's the cities that have gone to complete shit.
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you


Some parts are still nice.

It's the cities that have gone to complete shit.


Pretty much anything Outside of the NJ Turnpike and GS Parkway corridors is nice, but all anyone sees is the shitty parts when they travel.
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yeah his side doesnt hold water. his friend could get a non resident fl ccw and will then be able to carry in all 50 states including nj.
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yeah his side doesnt hold water. his friend could get a non resident fl ccw and will then be able to carry in all 50 states including nj.
How do you know, they didn't even draft the law yet?

What if NJ (all liberal state law makers) push through a bill (they might already have one) that says no non resident permits will be accepted for residents of NJ?

What if the federal law (when drafted) says the reciprocity is valid for all home issued state CCW's?

 



 
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If places like NJ are ever "forced" to recognize carry permits issued by other states, here is what will happen if you visit and are carrying:



- You will be ordered out of the car and proned out when they find you are carrying.

- They will find a pretext to confiscate your gun (check if it's stolen, whatever)

- They will find a way to "detain", if not arrest you, for something else.



Bottom line, they will harass you, confiscate your gun, force you to return and appear in their courts. You will, of course, have recourse to an attorney. good luck with that.



Maybe Krispy Kreme will help. I hear he's solid on guns.
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Actually christy has pardoned or given clemency to a lot of people who screwed up and crossed into jersey carrying or were passing through.



Also you're right NJ will fight it by harassing people but not for long as the courts will get choked with suits



 
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The reality is that NJ is ONLY Going to get CCW when the Supreme Court rules that "Justifiable Need" is an Unconstitutional Restriction on a Basic Right.  Unlees and UNTIL Justifiable Need is struck down and the NJ Courts are taken completely out of the loop in the Carry Permit Process, Nothing will Change.
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If National reciprocity passes property in bordering Pa towns will go pretty fast.

I can see people moving their main address to Pa and making the jersey home their vacation home.

Hell people could chip in on a 2 bedroom cabin and have 5 families using that home as their main address.



 
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287 side of PA ?
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287 side of PA ?

yeah, I'm guessing it was 78 as I ended up in Harrisburg before heading south on 81, I started on 287, and just follwed the Hertz Neverlost thing.
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Having just escaped from being in North Jersey earlier this week, the toll collector on the PA side of I-287 and I had a good laugh over the fact I'd  have gladly paid 5 times the toll ($1.00) to leave NJ.


287 side of PA ?

yeah, I'm guessing it was 78 as I ended up in Harrisburg before heading south on 81, I started on 287, and just follwed the Hertz Neverlost thing.


Yeah, I figured you had the highways mixed up.

287 runs into NY, not PA.
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Practically speaking, Obergefell vs Hodges made your first sentence outdated.  
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We have the interstate highway system.

States couldn't refuse to recognize another's drivers license if they wanted to.
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The other States don't have to recognize other States' drivers licenses.   That happened over a period of years through reciprocal agreements and unilateral acts of the several State legislatures.




I worked for the Port Authority of NY&NJ, which was created by the U.S. Congress.

Crossed the Hudson river dozens of times a day, and only had a NY drivers license, so the Feds can trump the States.


This doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government.

NJ recognizes NY drivers licenses.




We have the interstate highway system.

States couldn't refuse to recognize another's drivers license if they wanted to.


You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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yeah his side doesnt hold water. his friend could get a non resident fl ccw and will then be able to carry in all 50 states including nj.


NJ won't recognize out of state permits issued to NJ folks. He'll if national Recip happened NJ would still arrest out of state folks with valid CCW permits.  The 2A doesn't exist here and the NJ judges don't give a shit.  You're gonna go to jail.

As an aside - I do believe if my abnoxious 13M neighbors in NJ realize that out of staters do get NJ CCW rights by some miracle they will suddenly insist on having them in NJ too.  Not because of a ciil rights 2A issue but because of a childish "well if they can have them so should we"
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And then NJ courts will figure out a new way to deny the 2A to NJ citizens.  The judiciary is tyrannical in NJ.
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No, H.R.402, H.R.923, H.R.986, and S.498 would only allow people with resident permits from their own state to carry in every other state.

Of course, the GOP was good enough to introduce all those bills, but while three were then referred to a committee, that's all that has happened with them, so I ain't holding my breath.
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And then NJ courts will figure out a new way to deny the 2A to NJ citizens.  The judiciary is tyrannical in NJ.
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The reality is that NJ is ONLY Going to get CCW when the Supreme Court rules that "Justifiable Need" is an Unconstitutional Restriction on a Basic Right.  Unlees and UNTIL Justifiable Need is struck down and the NJ Courts are taken completely out of the loop in the Carry Permit Process, Nothing will Change.


And then NJ courts will figure out a new way to deny the 2A to NJ citizens.  The judiciary is tyrannical in NJ.


When it comes to 2A rights.. you are 100% correct.
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That's what I was thinking. Unless there is some rider saying only on your home state permit. I would think equal protection would apply.
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When it comes to 2A rights.. you are 100% correct.
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And then NJ courts will figure out a new way to deny the 2A to NJ citizens.  The judiciary is tyrannical in NJ.


When it comes to 2A rights.. you are 100% correct.


This thread brings me sadness.

I guess it's like living in North Korea saying, "hey it isn't so bad here, we have family and the like"
"You know in South* Korea they can do whatever they want. You don't live there."
"...oh"
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This thread brings me sadness.

I guess it's like living in North Korea saying, "hey it isn't so bad here, we have family and the like"
"You know in South* Korea they can do whatever they want. You don't live there."
"...oh"
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The reality is that NJ is ONLY Going to get CCW when the Supreme Court rules that "Justifiable Need" is an Unconstitutional Restriction on a Basic Right.  Unlees and UNTIL Justifiable Need is struck down and the NJ Courts are taken completely out of the loop in the Carry Permit Process, Nothing will Change.


And then NJ courts will figure out a new way to deny the 2A to NJ citizens.  The judiciary is tyrannical in NJ.


When it comes to 2A rights.. you are 100% correct.


This thread brings me sadness.

I guess it's like living in North Korea saying, "hey it isn't so bad here, we have family and the like"
"You know in South* Korea they can do whatever they want. You don't live there."
"...oh"


NJ high courts are known to be pro individual liberties... except when it comes to the 2A.

Look at all the restrictions NJ cops have in comparison to other states.

It is just dumb fuckery that they don't extend that same view to the 2A.
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Some parts are still nice.

It's the cities that have gone to complete shit.
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I spent a large amount of my youth growing up in Trenton, NJ

My father worked in a steel mill in Cherry Hill, NJ

NJ was a paradise of horse farms, woods, and lakes.

There were factories making textiles, steel, porcelain, anything you can think of.

Now there are just abandoned factories and welfare slums.  The production has gone to China.

The streams and lakes are polluted

It's tragic

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you


Some parts are still nice.

It's the cities that have gone to complete shit.



This.

What you see when you look out of your plane window while landing at Newark airport is not represenative of NJ.  It's a beautiful, green state w/lakes and mountains.

Now, that Sopranos NJ attitude... well, some things are true. Come to NJ, open your mouth, and get a beating.

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That's what I was thinking. Unless there is some rider saying only on your home state permit. I would think equal protection would apply.
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If states were forced to recognize each others' permits, couldn't they just get a non-resident permit from another state and carry in NJ and elsewhere?




That's what I was thinking. Unless there is some rider saying only on your home state permit. I would think equal protection would apply.

There are actual bills about this, with language that is on the internet and easy to find.  I even posted bill numbers in this thread----they would only apply to resident permits.
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You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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The other States don't have to recognize other States' drivers licenses.   That happened over a period of years through reciprocal agreements and unilateral acts of the several State legislatures.




I worked for the Port Authority of NY&NJ, which was created by the U.S. Congress.

Crossed the Hudson river dozens of times a day, and only had a NY drivers license, so the Feds can trump the States.


This doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government.

NJ recognizes NY drivers licenses.




We have the interstate highway system.

States couldn't refuse to recognize another's drivers license if they wanted to.


You literally have no idea what you are talking about.




Name a SINGLE State that would be cut off from Federal Highway funds!
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But what I want to know, is why doesn't Texas recognize Illinois' carry license??
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Maybe.

Colorado doesn't recognize out of state permits for residents.
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If states were forced to recognize each others' permits, couldn't they just get a non-resident permit from another state and carry in NJ and elsewhere?

yes

Maybe.

Colorado doesn't recognize out of state permits for residents.


Nor does Maryland.
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