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It's sad to see how many people are buying this shit hook, line, and sinker.  It's a a bullshit, heavily edited hackjob by a group of crazies.  They tried to buy fetal organs and tissue from PP before but were denied, because PP doesn't sell them.  They're donated for valuable medical research.  All the investigations launched into PP by conservative states in the wake of these video have found no evidence of wrongdoing.  Think with your brains instead of your emotions.

If you know me, you know I don't usually get political. At worst I unfriend people who think I should be disarmed. I tend to keep my mouth shut otherwise, because I realize folks have differing opinions, and that's cool.

That said, let's talk about Planned Parenthood for a moment. For years, I have been on the fence about pro life/pro choice. Personally, it's something I could never ever do. If I get knocked up, well, shit, that's it. I accept that there is a .01% chance that I could get knocked up. That's a consequence I face and deal with.

For years, I have enjoyed Planned Parenthood's services. Affordable yearly exams, affordable pills, affordable testing. What's not to love? I kept a mental disconnect when it came to the abortion thing, because.. hey, it's a 'clump of cells', right? It's not a baby yet. It can't see or hear or feel yet. Right? I turned a blind eye to it. In my mind I saw a little peanut sized thing being sucked up into a tube, and really didn't delve into it further than that.

What changed for me? Watching the Planned Parenthood videos that have been getting released. You know, the videos the media is desperately trying to pretend don't exist. Trying to pretend it's all a big hoax. Don't believe the articles. Don't believe the words of denial that fall from people's lips. Don't believe word of mouth.

WATCH. THE. FUCKING. VIDEOS.

The incredible disconnect from humanity is obscene. Horrifying. Apalling. I watched them in my dark, quiet house, and I bawled my eyes out. I felt sick. I almost threw up, I was so shocked and disgusted.
So before you share another 'Support Planned Parenthood' sticker... Or rave about how great they are.. do some actual research. Look at what they have done... Actually look. If you watch all those videos, and you still think Planned Parenthood is the bee's knees... I don't think we should be friends. It's not you, it's me. I think we should see other people.

The greatest thing about human beings is their capacity to love. To feel empathy and compassion. There is absolutely none of that in the people that have done these despicable acts. None. If you want to see a failure of evolution.. look no further than these videos.

I went to a doctor this week, and I paid to be seen... and from now on, I will pay for my prescriptions at a regular pharmacy, even though I'm broke as shit right now. I will sell every pair of shoes I own before I give PP one red cent. Planned Parenthood will never see another dime from me... and they shouldn't see any from you, either. The right thing to do is back away from PP, slowly, and with great disgust.

Let's not forget the founder of PP wanted to eradicate 'the blacks.' Eugenics, folks. Look it up if you don't know what it is.
In a letter to Clarence Gable in 1939, Sanger wrote: “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members” (Margaret Sanger commenting on the ‘Negro Project’ in a letter to Gamble, Dec. 10, 1939

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As long as you don't try to take away my rights we're cool.  But stating how against abortion you are without including a bit about not  outlawing it  makes it sound like you support taking away freedom from women. You can say anything you like however you like, but I don't think  you're actually on the same page as the people giving you attagirls for being  ' on their side ', as it were. Unless you actually are on their side now.

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Yeah, sounds like she's not a supporter of murdering babies.

Nobody has a 'right' to abortion. Sure, it's legal to do with certain constraints right now, but later down the line, the murder of unborn children will probably be outlawed.

A fetus is not part of the female body -- it is a living being that a woman shouldn't be able to murder when it becomes inconvenient -- how about some personal responsibility?

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Yeah, sounds like she's not a supporter of murdering babies.

Nobody has a 'right' to abortion. Sure, it's legal to do with certain constraints right now, but later down the line, the murder of unborn children will probably be outlawed.

A fetus is not part of the female body -- it is a living being that a woman shouldn't be able to murder when it becomes inconvenient -- how about some personal responsibility?

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Neither am I, but I don't think XCR is in the anti-choice camp.

I just believe it's not up to anyone but the woman in question. It's her personal responsibility, not mine.

I've watched many people change their opinions over this kind of thing.

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I have.

I used to be very agnostic on the issue and would even go so far as to say that I was 'pro-abortion.'

Ever since these videos started coming out, I'm now personally against abortion, but as I also consider myself to be libertarian, I still don't really care if other people decide to go through with it.  
 

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Well yea. That's why banning stuff from soft drinks to guns is stupid.

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Yep, soft drinks, ripping people apart and selling their organs, guns, banning all thats stupid!

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Apparently you didn't read the post about people making their own choices.





You can't force people to do something even if you think it is the right thing. They have to want to make that choice themselves.

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Apparently you didn't read the post about people making their own choices.


You can't force people to do something even if you think it is the right thing. They have to want to make that choice themselves.

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Yep, soft drinks, ripping people apart and selling their organs, guns, banning all thats stupid!

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Apparently you didn't read the post about people making their own choices.


You can't force people to do something even if you think it is the right thing. They have to want to make that choice themselves.

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what are you talking about?

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My point is people have to want to do the right thing. Whether that's not selling kid bits, or not pounding soda till that are a fat fuck with diabetes.

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Neither am I, but I don't think XCR is in the anti-choice camp.

I just believe it's not up to anyone but the woman in question. It's her personal responsibility, not mine.

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Neither am I, but I don't think XCR is in the anti-choice camp.

I just believe it's not up to anyone but the woman in question. It's her personal responsibility, not mine.

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Neither am I, but I don't think XCR is in the anti-choice camp.

I just believe it's not up to anyone but the woman in question. It's her personal responsibility, not mine.

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I'm going to regret debating with you. I generally do. Butting heads with you is ugly.


If it's your body, and it's your right to do as you please... Does the father at any point get to have a say in the matter? Do you think they should?

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It's all her responsibility. And none of our business beyond urging her to do the right thing and helping her if we feel like it.

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Just consider what I said, then. Individual freedom is paramount and sentimentality is no excuse to control other people's bodies. It's her fetus, we shouldn't interfere. We can beg, offer to help raise babies, cajole, shame, and threaten with eternal damnation, but to prevent her from controlling her body is an act of war. It's even wronger than preventing boys from loving boys and girls from loving girls or preventing people from raising their kids as they see fit. We can hate it, but we have to butt out.

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I'm going to regret debating with you. I generally do. Butting heads with you is ugly.


If it's your body, and it's your right to do as you please... Does the father at any point get to have a say in the matter? Do you think they should?

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Spend 4-8 years working hard becoming a nurse, forced to provide for invalids and the disabled, decide to kill a few to make your life easier: SUPER MURDERER JAIL FOREVER!!!!

Spend 4-8 months pregnant after a good ole time of sexin, might be forced to provide for kiddo, decide to kill it to make your life easier: WOMENS RIGHTS!


Lol, Murder.

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It's all her responsibility. And none of our business beyond urging her to do the right thing and helping her if we feel like it.

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Just consider what I said, then. Individual freedom is paramount and sentimentality is no excuse to control other people's bodies. It's her fetus, we shouldn't interfere. We can beg, offer to help raise babies, cajole, shame, and threaten with eternal damnation, but to prevent her from controlling her body is an act of war. It's even wronger than preventing boys from loving boys and girls from loving girls or preventing people from raising their kids as they see fit. We can hate it, but we have to butt out.