Even when a Tgirl is honest, she's risking getting killed anyway. Some people just are violent, and the excuse that someone is a freak coupled with the shame of having done something gay can motivate guys to violence. Kind of like it's easy to kill hookers, because hookers aren't really people and once you're done, you're embarrassed you fent.

I imagine Tgirl hookers would be extra easy for someone to justify killing.

What goes on in the heads of these freaks is amazing. Of course, this really is modern society's fault by convincing them they are normal, so the idea that they don't understand why boys (actual boys, with the correct hydraulics- just to be clear) aren't interested in a mutant with incompatible tackle is sort of elementary, I guess. In other words, they flirt in order to get something "it" doesn't have, or even have access to.

Do you have anything to back that up? Anecdotal or otherwise?

I can say that when I was an early 20 something, and rather hot headed, I would have just ignored a tranny if I would have known.  But if I was presented with the pickle surprise at the wrong moment, it is possible things could have gone bad.

The dangers to hookers is no surprise, just like drug dealers... people that commit crimes are at an extra risk.  That I am personally for the legalization of drugs and prostitution is irrelevant to that reality.  I imagine a large number of of transvestites/transsexuals end up in the world pf prostitution, so that might very well be the cause of this statistical anomaly.

You can google "violence against transexuals" and "violence against LGBT" as easily as I can.

Violence against any marginalized people is easier to justify. It's not just the people who commit crimes who are at extra risk. It's people that others hate or are disgusted by, even if they use them. If I told you I killed a juggalo, you might start by wondering how that juggalo fucked up. I'd be counting on that to justify it to myself.

Think about it. When we talk about trannies getting killed, we immediately assume they were tricking people, and we identify with the poor guy who got tricked. No wonder a Tgirl's boyfriend who's embarrassed he's gay feels more comfortable working out his frustrations on her.

Sex only refers to biological differences-gender to social and behavioral ones. Like it or not, that's the contemporary usage.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/gender



http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

"Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive organs, and external genitalia.

Gender refers to the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations constitute gender non-conformity."

This is a big reason I prefer 'transgender' over 'transsexual'; partly because it just sounds less seedy, but also because I don't think we can change our biological sex, I certainly think we can change our gender. So when people harp on the biological sex factor, my eyes glaze over and I start wondering if I've forgotten any dry cleaning. Because I simply don't care.

Transgender is something I know little about and just do not fucking give a shit what they do as long as they stay out of my private world.

Tons of gays in Seattle - am I really exposed to them ... ? NO

I am sure there are transgender peeps in Seattle ... same answer - I have no exposure to them

All my friends are normal people with normal families friends and kids ( ie: no attention whore gay people or transgender freaks )

I will likely live the next 25+ years and avoid them and they can avoid me and my world I live in.

Carry on ...

I'll back it up. I covered this extensively in my thread; the trickiest part is figuring out when to tell a guy, because there's no reason to tell everyone our business unless it's necessary. I commented about an aquaintance in a book store that was chatted up by a guy and asked to coffee, she told him right away and he flipped out and accused her of "tricking him". She was like "tricking you? Motherfucker I was standing here READING A BOOK!" lol.

The best rule of thumb I've heard is to just hang out with a guy long enough to get an idea how he'll react, and if you think it's bad just cut contact. But regardless, certainly before clothes come off.

Most of these "pickle surprise" stories you hear are one of two scenarios: a guy walks into a trans establishment unknowingly and picks up a girl, and she doesn't tell him because she thinks he already knows because, hell it's a tranny bar, why the hell else is he here? And the other is a guy that knowingly  hooks up or dates a transgirl until his friends find out, then he trots out the "pickle surprise" excuse and beats her up to support his alibi.

It's not that hard to figure out.  Men are visual.  BaileyJ's appearance still registers the sexual visual cues for straight men.  Kind of straightforward actually.  I question, however, how many straight men here saying they would sleep with BaileyJ would actually carry through with it if they had the opportunity.  I wager it wouldn't really be all that many.

I still maintain that it would be gay.  If there are two Y chromosomes involved it's gay.

I doubt many would back out. Men are driven by sex, so it takes a lot to get someone to stop after they're ready.

Whether or not I think it's gay, that's a tough one.


I think someone having sex with Buck Angel is more gay than someone having sex with Bailey Jay.

I would feel straighter with Bailey than with Buck. For me, two vaginas = lesbian, 2 dicks = gay.

Haha.


It would be harder for me to sleep with a girl that LOOKED like a dude, that had a vagina - than it would be to sleep with a dude that LOOKED like a girl, that had a dick.


The visual of seeing a "man" in front of me would be harder to get over than seeing a dick.