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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:06:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there will be more flags than ever this weekend. The fans will tell NASCAR to go fuck themselves. The camera will try to hide them as best they can, but there is going to be a shit ton of flags!  |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:17:39 PM EDT
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A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fly whatever flag you god damn well want. Fuck this hyper-PC popularism. America should be about (and was founded on) choice, liberty and freedom....popular or otherwise. A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. Then a business that flies the KKK or confederate flag should have the right to do so and the protesters should be locked up as well if they trespass. Freedom only works when it works both ways. business caving to political pressure isnt freedom. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:20:14 PM EDT
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The simple fact is that flag cause racism. Now if we could only figure out which flag causes white cops to shoot unarmed black kids. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:23:22 PM EDT
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The fans arent where NASCAR gets the vast majority of their money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About everyone I know has decided to boycott NASCAR. Let's see how long it takes them to change their tune when it costs them money. This right here! The fans arent where NASCAR gets the vast majority of their money. I'm sure that's how they see it as well. unfortunately, like the thread about cops being paid by construction companies to monitor traffic, something is missing in the picture as it relates to where the money comes from. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:25:07 PM EDT
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A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fly whatever flag you god damn well want. Fuck this hyper-PC popularism. America should be about (and was founded on) choice, liberty and freedom....popular or otherwise. A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. that's funny, because just about everything conservatives are fighting these days is now a protected class. freedom my ass. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protaected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fly whatever flag you god damn well want. Fuck this hyper-PC popularism. America should be about (and was founded on) choice, liberty and freedom....popular or otherwise. A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protaected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. Protected classes should not even exist in the first place because they are not compatible with freedom. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:31:29 PM EDT
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A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fly whatever flag you god damn well want. Fuck this hyper-PC popularism. America should be about (and was founded on) choice, liberty and freedom....popular or otherwise. A business deciding not to fly a flag co-opted by the KKK is freedom. A business asking the public to voluntarily not bring that flag to its events is freedom. If they go the next step and remove people flying that flag from their events, that is also freedom. Freedom means you can be an idiot, but it also means I don't have to cater to your idiocy. If someone walks into my office wearing nazi memorabilia, I will ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave, I'll call the police and charge them with trespassing. A business has a right to refuse service for anything not related to a protected class. "People flying the flag of a defeated rebellion" isn't a protected class. Freedom cuts both ways and business owners have their freedom as well. That shit cuts both ways, I have the right to be free from liberal and statist idiocy, too. My real issue with this is I don't want politics mixed in with my sports. I watch sports to get away from politics. I quit watching the NFL because they felt the great need to inject politics into sports. The players too, when the retarded players came out propagating the "hands up don't shoot" lie, I was completely done, sold or gave away all my football stuff(Saints) because of that bullshit. Today, I'm packing up all my NASCAR crap with plans to sell/give away all this shit. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:34:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Nascar. And Fuck Sports Illustrated as well. "NASCAR should prove it's colorblind, ban confederate flag from racetracks" If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Not even capitalizing it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:40:39 PM EDT
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The camera will try to hide them as best they can, but there is going to be a shit ton of flags!
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I think there will be more flags than ever this weekend. The fans will tell NASCAR to go fuck themselves. The camera will try to hide them as best they can, but there is going to be a shit ton of flags!
This was last week at Sears Point In FLA? every fan will have one |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:44:49 PM EDT
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Its the symbolism that’s offensive to us, not the actual flag. Most people never gave the flag a second thought until now. You have to pick your battles wisely and they are choosing every single battle possible. I would normally say its just a flag and not worth the time to worry about it but they have decided to push an issue that really has no relevance to anything other than simple whining, and they are winning. We, the mature adults of the USofA, have taken that position for a number of years. Look where it has gotten us. We need to push back on EVERY issue the socialists push, EVERY time they push. They have held the public square for too long. The socialists and the socialist media need to be mocked at every turn when they try to make an issue of some non-issue. Their ignorance needs to be proclaimed loudly, and in detail. "The lie oft repeated becomes the truth". It is well past time to stop letting the socialists have their way with the battle for the minds of America. ETA And as far as I'm concerned you can go cry in the corner if the symbolism offends you that much. This nation was discovered by men, founded by men, fought for by men, had a civil war conducted by men, had 2 world wars one by men, and put men on the moon. You want to accomplish something, be a man and get over your sniveling. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The simple fact is that flag cause racism. Now if we could only figure out which flag causes white cops to shoot unarmed black kids. Must be the green flag. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:49:26 PM EDT
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The simple fact is that flag cause racism. Now if we could only figure out which flag causes white cops to shoot unarmed black kids.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/serr8d/photochops/ologowhiteflag.jpg Fitting that it's a white flag. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:50:39 PM EDT
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Nah, those damned leftist pieces of shit haven't taken over ARFcom; while pushing their agenda too hard, they and their agent provocateurs have become too damned transparent, identifiable and predictable. In fact; the usual suspects have made cartoons of themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Nascar. And Fuck Sports Illustrated as well. "NASCAR should prove it's colorblind, ban confederate flag from racetracks" If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Nah, those damned leftist pieces of shit haven't taken over ARFcom; while pushing their agenda too hard, they and their agent provocateurs have become too damned transparent, identifiable and predictable. In fact; the usual suspects have made cartoons of themselves. They walk among us. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:51:15 PM EDT
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I am bewildered by the things upon which liberals choose to direct their ire and those things which they choose to ignore.  Nikki Haley started the movement. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:56:40 PM EDT
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America as we know it is a block of granite and they are chipping away the pieces that don't fit their progressive worldview until we are reshaped into what they think we should be. It doesn't happen in one strike of the chisel. So true its unbelievable. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:04:07 PM EDT
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I never ever had an opinion on the Confederate flag. Non whatsoever. And I still don't They may as well be talking about banning eating frog legs because I have no opinion on that either. I'm baffled by the seeming significance of it. I can only assume that if they feel they can get people rallied to get rid of a picture, they can rally them to get rid of practically anything. Ding, ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! That is exactly what they are doing. And that's exactly why you should care about it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:04:43 PM EDT
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Fuck Nascar. And Fuck Sports Illustrated as well. "NASCAR should prove it's colorblind, ban confederate flag from racetracks" If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Nah, those damned leftist pieces of shit haven't taken over ARFcom; while pushing their agenda too hard, they and their agent provocateurs have become too damned transparent, identifiable and predictable. In fact; the usual suspects have made cartoons of themselves. They walk among us. True; but recently the "usuals" have begun to trumpet their leftist message so openly and proudly that they have become easy to spot immediately, and making it easy to dismiss their leftist bullshit for what it is .....leftist bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:18:09 PM EDT
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I think there will be more flags than ever this weekend. The fans will tell NASCAR to go fuck themselves. There is a lot better way to send that message. Don't attend the race and don't watch it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:18:24 PM EDT
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Nascar. And Fuck Sports Illustrated as well. "NASCAR should prove it's colorblind, ban confederate flag from racetracks" If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. 1. Not everyone who has or waves the CBF is a racist. 2. If you support businesses or the .gov banning a flag, then I don't ever want to see you bitch about businesses or the .gov banning guns or anything else I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history. YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting.  I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:25:45 PM EDT
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YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting. I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:30:36 PM EDT
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I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting. I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png There's always these guys.. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:33:48 PM EDT
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There's always these guys.. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/War_Flag_of_Novorussia.svg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting. I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png There's always these guys.. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/War_Flag_of_Novorussia.svg That seems limited to Ukraine, best I can tell. And, frankly, the audience that one was intended for is in this thread, not in this part of the world. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:37:06 PM EDT
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Looks like NASCAR is now making women wear burkas.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:43:03 PM EDT
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I think there will be more flags than ever this weekend. The fans will tell NASCAR to go fuck themselves. If you want to tell nascar to go fuck themselves, then quit giving them your money. Quit going to races, quit being race shirts, and all other memorabilia. If you stop the money, then you stop nascar. Or just keep giving them money while they laugh at how stupid their fan base is. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:43:03 PM EDT
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history. 
This poster, complete with the image of Confederate Battle Flag and images of the Confederate Generals who fought the battle, is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. 
USS CHANCELLORSVILLE (CG-62), the 16th Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser and the 12th ship in that class built by Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, MS. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:44:47 PM EDT
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This poster is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history.
This poster is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg And? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:49:41 PM EDT
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You just nailed it; which is exactly why pushing back against this sort of politically correct censorship is so important. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never ever had an opinion on the Confederate flag. Non whatsoever. And I still don't They may as well be talking about banning eating frog legs because I have no opinion on that either. I'm baffled by the seeming significance of it. I can only assume that if they feel they can get people rallied to get rid of a picture, they can rally them to get rid of practically anything. You just nailed it; which is exactly why pushing back against this sort of politically correct censorship is so important. Yep, PC is censorship and a violation of the First Amendment. Intolerant liberals use that term to bully the population into their perspective, it means absolutely nothing, it is contrived just like the latest communist definition "micro aggression". They are sick twisted people. Just exactly who do they think they are telling others what is acceptable and what isn't? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:49:52 PM EDT
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This poster, complete with the image of Confederate Battle Flag and images of the Confederate Generals who fought the battle, is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg USS CHANCELLORSVILLE (CG-62), the 16th Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser and the 12th ship in that class built by Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, MS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history.
This poster, complete with the image of Confederate Battle Flag and images of the Confederate Generals who fought the battle, is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg USS CHANCELLORSVILLE (CG-62), the 16th Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser and the 12th ship in that class built by Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, MS. on the badge for the Shiloh as well |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:53:06 PM EDT
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You just nailed it; which is exactly why pushing back against this sort of politically correct censorship is so important. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never ever had an opinion on the Confederate flag. Non whatsoever. And I still don't They may as well be talking about banning eating frog legs because I have no opinion on that either. I'm baffled by the seeming significance of it. I can only assume that if they feel they can get people rallied to get rid of a picture, they can rally them to get rid of practically anything. You just nailed it; which is exactly why pushing back against this sort of politically correct censorship is so important. Yep. I could give a shit whether it's the confederate flag, or whatever. First Amendment is there for a reason. Founders understood the slippery slope. The fact that progressives are going after the First is interesting. I always figured they'd get the Second squared away before they went after the First. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:57:34 PM EDT
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From the infield today......
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:58:30 PM EDT
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history.
This poster is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg And? Well for starters; if The United States Navy can name one of its capital ships in commemoration of a Confederate military victory, and the official ship's poster includes images of Confederate Generals as well as an image of the very same Confederate Battle Flag that is allegedly the source of you and your fellow travelers' butthurt........................then love it, hate it, or remain indifferent to it; that Confederate battle flag still has a valid place in the common culture and your ridiculously clumsy, ham fisted, attempts to erase it from history are absurd. All of the current blitz of leftist and media driven "Flag of Hate" bullshit notwithstanding. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:00:22 PM EDT
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Well for starters; if The United States Navy can name one of its capital ships in commemoration of a Confederate military victory, and the official ship's poster includes images of Confederate Generals as well as an image of the very same Confederate Battle Flag that is allegedly the source of you and your fellow travelers' butthurt........................then love it, hate it, or remain indifferent to it; that Confederate battle flag still has a valid place in the common culture and your ridiculously clumsy, ham fisted, attempts to erase it from history are absurd. All of the current blitz of leftist and media driven "Flag of Hate" bullshit notwithstanding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history.
This poster is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg And? Well for starters; if The United States Navy can name one of its capital ships in commemoration of a Confederate military victory, and the official ship's poster includes images of Confederate Generals as well as an image of the very same Confederate Battle Flag that is allegedly the source of you and your fellow travelers' butthurt........................then love it, hate it, or remain indifferent to it; that Confederate battle flag still has a valid place in the common culture and your ridiculously clumsy, ham fisted, attempts to erase it from history are absurd. All of the current blitz of leftist and media driven "Flag of Hate" bullshit notwithstanding. You can't help but keep fighting this straw man? Have you read a single word I've typed? I mean, actually read - not raged at while glossing over? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:09:05 PM EDT
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From the infield today...... http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HS.74185923849&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Looks like there are some racist Southern Canadians there too. Nascar is just glad they can belittle their fan base and yet continue to receive their money. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:13:12 PM EDT
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I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting. I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png Quoted:
People constantly point to the flag and claim it had nothing to so with slavery, that the Confederacy was fighting over states rights and tariffs, and if the South had won we'd all be more free. But yet, YOU know why they might choose to fly it. Your (dishonest) SJW armor is nothing but a thin veneer hidden behind a keyboard and obviously, the only thing saving someone from a flag snatch and/or a subsequent ass-whoopin' is, "nobody flies those things around here."
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:15:36 PM EDT
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But yet, YOU know why they might choose to fly it. Your (dishonest) SJW armor is nothing but a thin veneer hidden behind a keyboard and obviously, the only thing saving someone from a flag snatch and/or a subsequent ass-whoopin' is, "nobody flies those things around here."
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YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting. I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png Quoted:
People constantly point to the flag and claim it had nothing to so with slavery, that the Confederacy was fighting over states rights and tariffs, and if the South had won we'd all be more free. But yet, YOU know why they might choose to fly it. Your (dishonest) SJW armor is nothing but a thin veneer hidden behind a keyboard and obviously, the only thing saving someone from a flag snatch and/or a subsequent ass-whoopin' is, "nobody flies those things around here."
What a disingenuous cop-out. The "tough-guy speak" was assigned to you & you projected it back on me. That's fucking amazing. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:16:45 PM EDT
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history.
This poster, complete with the image of Confederate Battle Flag and images of the Confederate Generals who fought the battle, is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg USS CHANCELLORSVILLE (CG-62), the 16th Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser and the 12th ship in that class built by Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, MS. on the badge for the Shiloh as well Thanks; I wasn't aware that the badge of The USS Shiloh CG 67 also includes the Confederate Battle Flag in a place of honor. Apparently; the Confederate Battle flag still has a valid and non racist, place in the common culture; other than as a symbol of oppression and hate. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:18:59 PM EDT
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Thanks; I wasn't aware that the badge of The USS Shiloh CG 67 also includes the Confederate Battle Flag in a place of honor. Apparently; the Confederate Battle flag still has a valid and non racist, place in the common culture; other than as a symbol of oppression and hate. https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10177301_684926891563766_3315782096091566098_n.jpg?oh=0344422e142d846ee65e1e7ceb179902&oe=56196789 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This poster, complete with the image of Confederate Battle Flag and images of the Confederate Generals who fought the battle, is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg USS CHANCELLORSVILLE (CG-62), the 16th Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser and the 12th ship in that class built by Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, MS. on the badge for the Shiloh as well Thanks; I wasn't aware that the badge of The USS Shiloh CG 67 also includes the Confederate Battle Flag in a place of honor. Apparently; the Confederate Battle flag still has a valid and non racist, place in the common culture; other than as a symbol of oppression and hate. https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10177301_684926891563766_3315782096091566098_n.jpg?oh=0344422e142d846ee65e1e7ceb179902&oe=56196789 Who has ever argued otherwise? Other than your shadow, I guess. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:20:31 PM EDT
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If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Yeah, because banning flags from Confederate battle grounds, exhuming corpses of Confederates, and tearing down memorials is clearly a rational point. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:20:51 PM EDT
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You can't help but keep fighting this straw man? Have you read a single word I've typed? I mean, actually read - not raged at while glossing over? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I support people being honest about history. I realize now that is too much to ask for those emotionally steeped in revisionism, who see every attempt to point out the facts as a Leftist conspiracy, all while claiming it's everyone but them trying to erase history.
This poster is taken directly from the official United States Navy Web Pages dedicated to Aegis Cruiser CG 62; The U.S.S. Chancelorsville which has, of course, been named in commemoration of the Confederacy's greatest military victory of the Civil War; The Battle of Chancellorsville. http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg62/PublishingImages/cg62historyposter.jpg And? Well for starters; if The United States Navy can name one of its capital ships in commemoration of a Confederate military victory, and the official ship's poster includes images of Confederate Generals as well as an image of the very same Confederate Battle Flag that is allegedly the source of you and your fellow travelers' butthurt........................then love it, hate it, or remain indifferent to it; that Confederate battle flag still has a valid place in the common culture and your ridiculously clumsy, ham fisted, attempts to erase it from history are absurd. All of the current blitz of leftist and media driven "Flag of Hate" bullshit notwithstanding. You can't help but keep fighting this straw man? Have you read a single word I've typed? I mean, actually read - not raged at while glossing over? Another excellent example of classic internet trolling, but when everyone realizes that one is a troll; it's game over. Sorry; you had a great run here on GD but you have destroyed your own "brand". |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:22:28 PM EDT
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If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Nascar. And Fuck Sports Illustrated as well. "NASCAR should prove it's colorblind, ban confederate flag from racetracks" If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. The stars and bars mean different things to different people. It is been that way since the 1860s. Confederate flags have remained in unfettered availability for 150 years since then. A witch hunt was commenced against that flag simply because that is the best the leftists could do with this Charleston church shooting crisis. Getting people used to only having approved symbolism available does have a value. It may not be as useful as a gun ban but, it is useful. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:22:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, because banning flags from Confederate battle grounds, exhuming corpses of Confederates, and tearing down memorials is clearly a rational point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Yeah, because banning flags from Confederate battle grounds, exhuming corpses of Confederates, and tearing down memorials is clearly a rational point. Who has called for any of this? NASCAR? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:32:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:33:33 PM EDT
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If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Yeah, because banning flags from Confederate battle grounds, exhuming corpses of Confederates, and tearing down memorials is clearly a rational point. Who has called for any of this? NASCAR? Do YOU agree with any of it? Easy question, right? Yes, very easy question. No, I don't agree with any of it. In fact, I think it's another straw man invented by the perpetual victim crowd here, as I have never even read of anyone advocating such things. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:35:02 PM EDT
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YOU have assigned that flag as being 100% about slavery. You have dismissed anyone claiming to fly it for states-rights, an over-reaching federal gov or a generic, "fuck you" as being disingenuous. You, Sir, are in the wrong and are projecting. I'm wondering, since you obviously find that symbol so abhorrent, do you have an established record & the balls to pull one down? Or do you just play the SJW on the 'net? I did no such thing. I have esxplained myself numerous times today in the face of such accusations. Your dishonesty says everything about you character, as does your tough-guy speak. Nobody flies those things around here. Instead I have to deal with this shit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Saint_George_Ribbon.svg/2000px-Saint_George_Ribbon.svg.png Quoted:
People constantly point to the flag and claim it had nothing to so with slavery, that the Confederacy was fighting over states rights and tariffs, and if the South had won we'd all be more free. But yet, YOU know why they might choose to fly it. Your (dishonest) SJW armor is nothing but a thin veneer hidden behind a keyboard and obviously, the only thing saving someone from a flag snatch and/or a subsequent ass-whoopin' is, "nobody flies those things around here."
What a disingenuous cop-out. The "tough-guy speak" was assigned to you & you projected it back on me. That's fucking amazing. http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lab1kgWDj01qdigseo1_400.png Your selfies crack me up. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:38:01 PM EDT
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The stars and bars mean different things to different people. It is been that way since the 1860s. Confederate flags have remained in unfettered availability for 150 years since then. A witch hunt was commenced against that flag simply because that is the best the leftists could do with this Charleston church shooting crisis. Getting people used to only having approved symbolism available does have a value. It may not be as useful as a gun ban but, it is useful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Nascar. And Fuck Sports Illustrated as well. "NASCAR should prove it's colorblind, ban confederate flag from racetracks" If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. The stars and bars mean different things to different people. It is been that way since the 1860s. Confederate flags have remained in unfettered availability for 150 years since then. A witch hunt was commenced against that flag simply because that is the best the leftists could do with this Charleston church shooting crisis. Getting people used to only having approved symbolism available does have a value. It may not be as useful as a gun ban but, it is useful. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:38:09 PM EDT
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If Sports Illustrated, NASCAR, damn near every major corporation, significant figures in all political parties, historians, etc. all say something... then maybe, just maybe, it;s not because they're all 'leftists." Maybe, just maybe, they have a point. Or, those damned Leftists are behind every tree. Heck they've even taken over arfcom. Yeah, because banning flags from Confederate battle grounds, exhuming corpses of Confederates, and tearing down memorials is clearly a rational point. Who has called for any of this? NASCAR? No, it is the ultra-left using social engineering and political correctness to label anyone as a racist bigot if they support the Stars and Bars. You know goddamn well that is the truth, and you would have to be as blind as Anne Frank to not see it has not a fucking thing with the CBF. Its all about social control, and stirring the racial pot again. You can't be so oblivious to see that its OK to fly a Soviet flag, but its RACIST!!11!!OMGWTFBQQ to fly a fucking battle flag. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:43:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:44:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 4:45:55 PM EDT
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America as we know it is a block of granite and they are chipping away the pieces that don't fit their progressive worldview until we are reshaped into what they think we should be. It doesn't happen in one strike of the chisel. Beautiful way to put it. |
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