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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:39:28 AM EDT
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New Russian and Chinese military bases will likely be opening in Greece shortly. NATO nightmare - Soviet & Chinese naval yards in the Mediterranean. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:39:32 AM EDT
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Probably happen here sooner or later. I bet those rotten fucks cream their shorts daily at the thought of getting to our 401k's. I can see it now "its unfair to poor people that you were smart enought to save while they just blew all their money on rims, tattoos, cigarettes, and meth. You need to give that up for the greater good." Its gonna happen and soon too. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO nightmare - Soviet & Chinese naval yards in the Mediterranean. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New Russian and Chinese military bases will likely be opening in Greece shortly. NATO nightmare - Soviet & Chinese naval yards in the Mediterranean. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:44:38 AM EDT
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...This is all being orchestrated on purpose, to put pressure on the Greek government to knuckle under to the international lenders' demands. Which are to make Greece a "debt colony" of Germany. It's becoming very clear that the EU, and especially the euro currency, is an instrument of oppression used by the international elites to control restive populations. The sooner it collapses, the better. 
Dude, you are nuts. Greece is fucked and broke because they spent money like tards. Don't blame ze Germans for Greek spending habits. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:02:28 AM EDT
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Too late. Inflation, has already done what the Greeks are doing. Fire up that press, and just make more! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what we've got 20-30 years before it happens here?  Too late. Inflation, has already done what the Greeks are doing. Fire up that press, and just make more! |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:45:50 AM EDT
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Inflation, has already done what the Greeks are doing. Fire up that press, and just make more! Yeah, but will inflation be enough? I'm thinking more desperate times will bring more desperate measures. So what's the better investment? Gold/silver or guns/ammo? 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 9:46:47 AM EDT
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New Russian and Chinese military bases will likely be opening in Greece shortly. NATO nightmare - Soviet & Chinese naval yards in the Mediterranean. For now. If I were the Russians, I'd be building a Plan B if Tartus falls. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 9:48:08 AM EDT
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Dude, you are nuts. Greece is fucked and broke because they spent money like tards. Don't blame ze Germans for Greek spending habits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...This is all being orchestrated on purpose, to put pressure on the Greek government to knuckle under to the international lenders' demands. Which are to make Greece a "debt colony" of Germany. It's becoming very clear that the EU, and especially the euro currency, is an instrument of oppression used by the international elites to control restive populations. The sooner it collapses, the better.
Dude, you are nuts. Greece is fucked and broke because they spent money like tards. Don't blame ze Germans for Greek spending habits. The Germans bribed their way across Southern Europe to keep Claus and Gunther employed at the Siemens plant. The Germans are no more innocent victims than the Greeks. Either they were clueless bankers or bribing salesman. Or both. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:02:21 AM EDT
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Dude, you are nuts. Greece is fucked and broke because they spent money like tards. Don't blame ze Germans for Greek spending habits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...This is all being orchestrated on purpose, to put pressure on the Greek government to knuckle under to the international lenders' demands. Which are to make Greece a "debt colony" of Germany. It's becoming very clear that the EU, and especially the euro currency, is an instrument of oppression used by the international elites to control restive populations. The sooner it collapses, the better.
Dude, you are nuts. Greece is fucked and broke because they spent money like tards. Don't blame ze Germans for Greek spending habits. "Because they spent money like tards" on stuff like 'bridges to nowhere' ? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:20:29 AM EDT
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Anyone keeping significant resources in a central banking system is a fool...Yeah, go ahead and laugh, make snide, snarky comments, whatever...You can be robbed blind with just a fucking letter from the appropriate .gov letterhead. It's happened before and will happen again, when .gov wants it they will seize it from whichever sector they wish since you surrendered physical control of it to a system they control. Guess who was laughing in the 30's when FDR started snatching up gold from safety deposit boxes ?? That's right ....the paranoid old fucks who didn't much trust the banks to begin with and found other creative ways to store their assets.
Why do think .gov hates cash ?? It's because it's liquid and they don't have much control over it once it's out of the banking system. Just look at how quick they went after bitcoin... |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:24:55 AM EDT
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I bet those rotten fucks cream their shorts daily at the thought of getting to our 401k's. Do you see any difference between euros and and stocks and other non-cash assets? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:25:28 AM EDT
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This would be my red line. NOBODY is taking 30% of what I have worked for without repercussions. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:27:03 AM EDT
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someone copy some of that article so i can read it.. im not registering to read that damn thing
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:28:34 AM EDT
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I know there's been a ton of threads already on this. Pretty much all that can be said has been. But this is an extreme action they are taking (bad sign). So I posted this for all those out there who don't think 'the news' or 'politics' matters to them. And for the many Centrists we have who fear Conservatives as much as the Left.... A republican would never use tax payers' money to fund a bank bailout... |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:29:23 AM EDT
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So the Greek people are going to have to pay for their own shit? Shocking concept.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:30:11 AM EDT
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This would be my red line. NOBODY is taking 30% of what I have worked for without repercussions. But income tax, sales tax, property tax, death tax, fuel tax, social security, and forced healthcare are all A ok? If they take another 30% what? They are already taking 25-50% of your earnings. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:30:41 AM EDT
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Greece is fucked and broke because they spent money like tards. Don't blame ze Germans for Greek spending habits. There is plenty of blame to go around. Long after the spending propensity of the Greek government was clear to anyone who cared to notice, the financial "industry" continued to make loans to it. Those doing the lending did so for various and sundry reasons. Between the Greek government and the lenders, there are no victims. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:33:54 AM EDT
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I'm young, but I believe the government just taking money out of people's bank account would be the time the older generation legitimately starts shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Coming to a bank near you. Yes. Here in the US. 
It's hard to do that with the Euro and the German's endless need for their empire fetishes. I'm young, but I believe the government just taking money out of people's bank account would be the time the older generation legitimately starts shooting. They are aware of that which is why they are moving so slowly. If they were able to finally take the guns like they want, they would accelerate the timetable, but if not they can just keep up the "normalization" of socialist attitudes over time, until people who actually understand "Liberty" have all passed away, replaced by a vast population of compliant sheep who all understand what "for the common good" means. Shit, my 15 year old stepson could NOT wrap his head around the concept of "your personal opinion, and your right to express it, are inviolable". He has somehow been taught (societal influence and public schools) that it's only OK to say SOME things out loud, and NOT OK to say some other things (such as "I believe being gay is wrong"). I tried to explain to him that just because your opinion is unpopular, does not make it wrong to verbalize it. He vehemently denied it, swore up and down that people don't have a right to say things that are "hurtful". These are the kids who will be running the nation 20 years from now. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:40:10 AM EDT
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors.
ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:42:44 AM EDT
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:42:51 AM EDT
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. MMMmm! Risk free U.S government bonds. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:55:12 AM EDT
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My shocked face  Yup. Fuck that. Keep it in the mattress. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 10:57:11 AM EDT
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I bet those rotten fucks cream their shorts daily at the thought of getting to our 401k's. I can see it now "its unfair to poor people that you were smart enought to save while they just blew all their money on rims, tattoos, cigarettes, and meth. You need to give that up for the greater good." Its gonna happen and soon too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably happen here sooner or later. I bet those rotten fucks cream their shorts daily at the thought of getting to our 401k's. I can see it now "its unfair to poor people that you were smart enought to save while they just blew all their money on rims, tattoos, cigarettes, and meth. You need to give that up for the greater good." Its gonna happen and soon too. It won't end well. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:01:49 AM EDT
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I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" Then the government will immediately turn it into a ponzi scheme, where the deposits all get spent, and retirement pay outs are done with tax money. Ponzi Schemes like social security or money laundering tax money into private accounts through fake/overpriced contracts are ok when they are done by the govt. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:01:50 AM EDT
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When are we going to see some bargains in guns & ammo from Greece? Hi Powers for greenbacks... damn right.. time to put everything they have on the chopping block at pennies on the dollar.. everything must go.... small arms, ammo, armored vehicles, 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:03:44 AM EDT
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Yup. Fuck that. Keep it in the mattress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My shocked face Yup. Fuck that. Keep it in the mattress. They have already made large sums of cash illegal in practice. They want all speech to be logged with your name through google accounts, etc, so they can make sure it can be used to hurt you if necessary. And they want all money in electronic format so they can reroute it as necessary. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:07:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:11:08 AM EDT
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I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:12:00 AM EDT
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The article requires you to pay to read it OP .
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:12:53 AM EDT
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and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. Will this be the Social Security reform? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:13:05 AM EDT
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Can't say I'm surprised, it's what they did in Cyprus. (the other fucked up "Greek" country) That said, it probably is "back taxes" in most cases, because Greece hasn't been enforcing it's income tax collection for decades, instead, they've been financing their government (and pensions) on German money. So, fuck those Greek account holders. They're crying about getting money stolen from them that they stole from German tax payers. Amen. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:21:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't scoff. Germany profited enormously from Greek expenditures financed by those loans. For example, the Greek army has more Leopard tanks than the German army does. And the Greek navy bought four unnecessary German-made submarines that were delivered listing at a 45 degree angle! All these were financed by loans from German and other international lenders. These transactions were corrupt to their core -- the former Greek defense minister is now in prison for taking millions in bribes to facilitate just such deals. The Greek people did not benefit from such things -- only the Greek and foreign elites. It wasn't "force" that made the Greeks take out these loans -- it was bribery. Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I suppose the international elites forced Greece to join the EU (I've heard Greece cooked their books to show economic compliance) and then forced them to accept all those loans? Don't scoff. Germany profited enormously from Greek expenditures financed by those loans. For example, the Greek army has more Leopard tanks than the German army does. And the Greek navy bought four unnecessary German-made submarines that were delivered listing at a 45 degree angle! All these were financed by loans from German and other international lenders. These transactions were corrupt to their core -- the former Greek defense minister is now in prison for taking millions in bribes to facilitate just such deals. The Greek people did not benefit from such things -- only the Greek and foreign elites. It wasn't "force" that made the Greeks take out these loans -- it was bribery. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:25:23 AM EDT
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This. We get a haircut by inflation since we can print and devalue our own currency. The best part is that the vast majority is too dumb to understand this. If they did, we would have riots in the streets. V Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Claw Back. Coming to a Government near You. It's already being done. Even going by official inflation numbers which are grossly understated, by printing money the way the gov has done, if you had put $100 in the bank in 1988 the principle would only be worth $50 now. On top of that, with interest rates being held artificially low so the interest on the debt can be paid, people are getting doubly screwed. You would have took a 30% haircut just since 2003 (and remember that's with official inflation numbers). This. We get a haircut by inflation since we can print and devalue our own currency. The best part is that the vast majority is too dumb to understand this. If they did, we would have riots in the streets. V wont things like that become more and more obvious soon?? like a glock today costs about $480.00.... a year from now its $580.00... 4-5 years from now a glock costs $900.00... etc...... while a different currency the cost of a glock stays the same approx over the same 5 years? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:35:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: someone copy some of that article so i can read it.. im not registering to read that damn thing How socialist. Someone do the work for me because I don't want to do it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:36:44 AM EDT
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Anyone keeping significant resources in a central banking system is a fool...Yeah, go ahead and laugh, make snide, snarky comments, whatever...You can be robbed blind with just a fucking letter from the appropriate .gov letterhead. It's happened before and will happen again, when .gov wants it they will seize it from whichever sector they wish since you surrendered physical control of it to a system they control. Guess who was laughing in the 30's when FDR started snatching up gold from safety deposit boxes ?? That's right ....the paranoid old fucks who didn't much trust the banks to begin with and found other creative ways to store their assets. Why do think .gov hates cash ?? It's because it's liquid and they don't have much control over it once it's out of the banking system. Just look at how quick they went after bitcoin... i agree its a gov wet dream to totally remove all cash... and have everything 100% digital.... then they can control every dime you have.. and see exactly what you buy, and can shut your money off at a whim, and easily go after you for taxes you didnt pay when you bought something offline, etc... with cash, you can buy and sell things, and its about impossible to track it..... bartering is great, but its much more difficult to barter, than it is to use cash to buy something. if cash were outlawed.... then every, single transaction would have to go thru a bank..... even mowing your neighbors yard for $20.00.. would mean they had to use their smart phone, and transfer it to your bank account.. or credit card, etc... then make you pay taxes on the $20.00 you made for mowing that yard.... etc. not to mention the gov would cream its pants knowing it could 100% shut you down financially, anytime it wanted... and without cash, you could not have a nest egg hidden away to operate off of. if they could ever implement a one world gov.... and a one world currency.... then they could go paperless and all digital.... .. globally. i must be old and grumpy, cause i dont see stuff like this as " good" progress in my opinion. too many ways it could be misused... and what do you do in a disaster when power and networks are down? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:39:36 AM EDT
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and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. Because it is "safer". They will probably make a bogus claim of "guarenteed" returns and the money will be wasted just as they did with social security. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:40:21 AM EDT
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But income tax, sales tax, property tax, death tax, fuel tax, social security, and forced healthcare are all A ok? If they take another 30% what? They are already taking 25-50% of your earnings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This would be my red line. NOBODY is taking 30% of what I have worked for without repercussions. But income tax, sales tax, property tax, death tax, fuel tax, social security, and forced healthcare are all A ok? If they take another 30% what? They are already taking 25-50% of your earnings. this.... they will raise taxes on everything... just look at how they " lost" money when people quit smoking.... and people bought more fuel efficient cars.... now they are trying to tax the miles you drive.. because they " lost" all that money when people stopped doing things, they were trying to get people to stop doing. they could get another 30% of your money just by bullshit taxes.. gas tax, sales tax, entertainment tax, restaurant tax, conservation tax on guns / ammo, school tax, etc, etc, etc... then businesses pass their raised taxes onto you in higher costs... The Tax Poem Tax his land, tax his wage, Tax his bed in which he lays. Tax his tractor, tax his mule, Teach him taxes is the rule. Tax his cow, tax his goat, Tax his pants, tax his coat. Tax his ties, tax his shirts, Tax his work, tax his dirt. Tax his chew, tax his smoke, Teach him taxes are no joke. Tax his car, tax his grass, Tax the roads he must pass. Tax his food, tax his drink, Tax him if he tries to think. Tax his sodas, tax his beers, If he cries, tax his tears. Tax his bills, tax his gas, Tax his notes, tax his cash. Tax him good and let him know That after taxes, he has no dough. If he hollers, tax him more, Tax him until he's good and sore. Tax his coffin, tax his grave, Tax the sod in which he lays. Put these words upon his tomb, "Taxes drove me to my doom!" And when he's gone, we won't relax, We'll still be after the inheritance tax. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:45:59 AM EDT
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But income tax, sales tax, property tax, death tax, fuel tax, social security, and forced healthcare are all A ok? If they take another 30% what? They are already taking 25-50% of your earnings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This would be my red line. NOBODY is taking 30% of what I have worked for without repercussions. But income tax, sales tax, property tax, death tax, fuel tax, social security, and forced healthcare are all A ok? If they take another 30% what? They are already taking 25-50% of your earnings. Can't say as I like that much either but I do understand the government needs to have a funding source to manage our countries defense, infrastructure etc. It's the irresponsible spending and waste that is annoying. I don't mind paying my fair share but don't take that and then think taking a "lump sum" is ok. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:58:56 AM EDT
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It's becoming very clear that the EU, and especially the euro currency, is an instrument of oppression used by the international elites to control restive populations. The sooner it collapses, the better. lol Gosh, never heard people blaming "the international elites" (wink wink) for the problems they caused themselves. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:00:17 PM EDT
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lol Gosh, never heard people blaming "the international elites" (wink wink) for the problems they caused themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's becoming very clear that the EU, and especially the euro currency, is an instrument of oppression used by the international elites to control restive populations. The sooner it collapses, the better. lol Gosh, never heard people blaming "the international elites" (wink wink) for the problems they caused themselves. The irony of a marxist blaming international elites is a little too much delicious WTF for one sitting. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:21:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:28:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Gosh, never heard people blaming "the international elites" (wink wink) for the problems they caused themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's becoming very clear that the EU, and especially the euro currency, is an instrument of oppression used by the international elites to control restive populations. The sooner it collapses, the better. lol Gosh, never heard people blaming "the international elites" (wink wink) for the problems they caused themselves. The JEWS! I knew it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:37:45 PM EDT
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The Uneducated, the Poor, the Jokers, and the Idle Rich will continue to LoL about it, but this sets a very bad precedent, for all of us.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:46:03 PM EDT
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Molon Labe, indeed!
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:53:59 PM EDT
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I would end up being a headline.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:54:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:15:58 PM EDT
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So what we've got 20-30 years before it happens here? 12 |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:19:51 PM EDT
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I would end up being a headline. You and me both. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:25:00 PM EDT
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Time for you to put Detroit & Chicago munys in your portfolio, Mr. Investor.
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:27:48 PM EDT
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It's not like the depositors had a 5 year warning. Anyone who has deposits in a Greek bank nowadays is a retard I love the quote floating around from last week from a Greek civil servant about how they are doing this "without any warning". Spending that much money that you very obviously don't have for that long is a really blatant national character flaw. I don't have much sympathy for them, they deliberately chose to rip off the EU for years to fund lavish pensions and paid vacation requirements. You know what was making people there ripshit a couple of years ago? The government cancelled a bunch of people's "13th month bonus". Yes, that's exactly what it sounds like, on top of a month or two of paid vacation a year. Bunch of entitled fucks. We're headed in a similar direction - it's just likely we'll be among the last to go. Quoted:
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I'd say we're less than 10 years away from mandatory government security purchasing in retirement accounts. And, I'd further postulate that it will only impact relatively low net worth private investors. ObamaCare forces you to buy a product under the government authority to tax, right now. How is this different? I can buy that. It will be sold as " diversifying your portfolio" and instead of the stock market, you'll be forced to buy government bonds. Because it is "safer". They will probably make a bogus claim of "guarenteed" returns and the money will be wasted just as they did with social security. Exactly. They already seize a bunch of our money for mandatory investment in government bonds and then piss it all away. That's what Social Security is. I still can't wrap my head around how many people don't understand that this is where SS funds go. They'll come up with additional mandatory retirement bullshit later, if we make it that far. |
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