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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:51:05 PM EDT
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God is supreme. As Creator, he has the absolute right to set rules for his creation, and then to expect his creation to follow them. God created the angels. He gave them freewill. God created man. He gave man freewill. An angel used his freewill to oppose God, and challenge him. He tempted man, but man used his freewill to disobey God, bringing inherited death to themselves and all future children. (Us) The use of freewill to break God's rules is the creation of evil. God has allowed evil to exist in order to set precedent that neither angels nor man who disobey him should ever again be allowed to do so. After the end of this present world, the answer of whether God should allow disobedience and evil will have been answered. Thousands of years of sinful mankind's history is the precedent as to whether God should ever allow evil again. In his new world, he will not. . |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:51:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As an atheist I wouldn't expect you would not like the question or have a valid point on it. Again it was phrased to those that do believe there is a God so your opinion is worth nothing on this question. In case you're not reading the replies: People are answering with faith based opinions. What they base their faith on is evident in some of their replies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dude, I'm an atheist and this question sucks. "If you believe in God answer this" The question sucks because it's trying to use logic about something that is not knowable. Regardless of whether or not somebody believes in a god, to attempt to suggest that anybody understands the reasoning, actions, or anything else relating to something that unknowable just doesn't work. At the very least religious people say that instructions were given to people from their god, so it is understandable that the unknowable nature of his reasonings could be confused or misinterpreted. Thus, multiple sects, religions, etc. But, this question? It implies the understanding of the actions of a diety. Regardless of whether or not it has been written about, it's unknowable and it's an accepted and understood position in most religious discussion. I dunno, I just don't like the question is all. Again it was phrased to those that do believe there is a God so your opinion is worth nothing on this question. In case you're not reading the replies: People are answering with faith based opinions. What they base their faith on is evident in some of their replies. They have faith because it is their nature to have faith. It's neither a positive or negative trait. Some people will put all of their stock in to a sports team despite knowing that they are going to lose. Like the Browns. Yet, they continue to do it. People with faith will answer with a faith based answer. It has to be because the answer is unknowable. I don't really see what the problem is. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:03:56 PM EDT
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People like you project their short comings and thought failures on everyone else. You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in your sandy mangina 
I project my shortcomings? Alright. Apparently you know me pretty well. That doesn't even make any sense considering what I've said. I gave you a good answer- one that about 90% of everyone is saying as well and the best you can come back with is "BS" Whatever you say bro. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have faith because it is their nature to have faith. It's neither a positive or negative trait. Some people will put all of their stock in to a sports team despite knowing that they are going to lose. Like the Browns. Yet, they continue to do it. People with faith will answer with a faith based answer. It has to be because the answer is unknowable. I don't really see what the problem is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dude, I'm an atheist and this question sucks. "If you believe in God answer this" The question sucks because it's trying to use logic about something that is not knowable. Regardless of whether or not somebody believes in a god, to attempt to suggest that anybody understands the reasoning, actions, or anything else relating to something that unknowable just doesn't work. At the very least religious people say that instructions were given to people from their god, so it is understandable that the unknowable nature of his reasonings could be confused or misinterpreted. Thus, multiple sects, religions, etc. But, this question? It implies the understanding of the actions of a diety. Regardless of whether or not it has been written about, it's unknowable and it's an accepted and understood position in most religious discussion. I dunno, I just don't like the question is all. Again it was phrased to those that do believe there is a God so your opinion is worth nothing on this question. In case you're not reading the replies: People are answering with faith based opinions. What they base their faith on is evident in some of their replies. They have faith because it is their nature to have faith. It's neither a positive or negative trait. Some people will put all of their stock in to a sports team despite knowing that they are going to lose. Like the Browns. Yet, they continue to do it. People with faith will answer with a faith based answer. It has to be because the answer is unknowable. I don't really see what the problem is. The sports team fan has no faith his lousy team with win, he hopes they win and cheers them on to this end. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:08:44 PM EDT
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What if "faith" was't given but drawn out from one's own internal world, actively springing from the heart of one's own personality rather than given out like Thanksgiving's cold leftovers to the homeless? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever considered that maybe that is why you haven't been given the "gift" of faith ? What if "faith" was't given but drawn out from one's own internal world, actively springing from the heart of one's own personality rather than given out like Thanksgiving's cold leftovers to the homeless? You can believe that if you want too. It is not what the Bible teaches. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:08:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're confusing faith (sports team) with hope. The sports team fan has no faith his lousy team with win, he hopes they win and cheers them on to this end. No, I'm not. You hope your team wins the game. You have faith that they will. The Browns suck. People go to their games, not because they have hope, but they have faith that, one day, they won't be a disappointment. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:09:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I project my shortcomings? Alright. Apparently you know me pretty well. That doesn't even make any sense considering what I've said. I gave you a good answer- one that about 90% of everyone is saying as well and the best you can come back with is "BS" Whatever you say bro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People like you project their short comings and thought failures on everyone else. You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in your sandy mangina I project my shortcomings? Alright. Apparently you know me pretty well. That doesn't even make any sense considering what I've said. I gave you a good answer- one that about 90% of everyone is saying as well and the best you can come back with is "BS" Whatever you say bro. And then we have this where you think you know me or my motives for posting the question. Quoted: "You think you have this big "gotcha!" question that 5 year olds ask their sunday school teacher who then reply "God didn't create evil, but we have free will and He allows us to do evil" Seems to me we are adding hypocrite to your posting résumé |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:12:39 PM EDT
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We ain't bro's for sure And then we have this where you think you know me or my motives for posting the question. Quoted: "You think you have this big "gotcha!" question that 5 year olds ask their sunday school teacher who then reply "God didn't create evil, but we have free will and He allows us to do evil" Seems to me we are adding hypocrite to your posting résumé Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People like you project their short comings and thought failures on everyone else. You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in your sandy mangina
I project my shortcomings? Alright. Apparently you know me pretty well. That doesn't even make any sense considering what I've said. I gave you a good answer- one that about 90% of everyone is saying as well and the best you can come back with is "BS" Whatever you say bro. And then we have this where you think you know me or my motives for posting the question. Quoted: "You think you have this big "gotcha!" question that 5 year olds ask their sunday school teacher who then reply "God didn't create evil, but we have free will and He allows us to do evil" Seems to me we are adding hypocrite to your posting résumé Oh man, you're breaking my heart. I thought we were best buds 
If you you'd like to, feel free to explain how I'm a hypocrite. Anyway, I gave you the answer you're looking for- even if you don't want to see it: free will. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I'm not. You hope your team wins the game. You have faith that they will. The Browns suck. People go to their games, not because they have hope, but they have faith that, one day, they won't be a disappointment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're confusing faith (sports team) with hope. The sports team fan has no faith his lousy team with win, he hopes they win and cheers them on to this end. No, I'm not. You hope your team wins the game. You have faith that they will. The Browns suck. People go to their games, not because they have hope, but they have faith that, one day, they won't be a disappointment. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh man, you're breaking my heart. I thought we were best buds If you you'd like to, feel free to explain how I'm a hypocrite. Anyway, I gave you the answer you're looking for- even if you don't want to see it: free will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: People like you project their short comings and thought failures on everyone else. You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in your sandy mangina I project my shortcomings? Alright. Apparently you know me pretty well. That doesn't even make any sense considering what I've said. I gave you a good answer- one that about 90% of everyone is saying as well and the best you can come back with is "BS" Whatever you say bro. And then we have this where you think you know me or my motives for posting the question. Quoted: "You think you have this big "gotcha!" question that 5 year olds ask their sunday school teacher who then reply "God didn't create evil, but we have free will and He allows us to do evil" Seems to me we are adding hypocrite to your posting résumé Oh man, you're breaking my heart. I thought we were best buds If you you'd like to, feel free to explain how I'm a hypocrite. Anyway, I gave you the answer you're looking for- even if you don't want to see it: free will. Try real hard, you'll see it. You're like this little yapping chihuahua snapping at the heels of people you don't like around here, stay off my threads if all you do is snap at them. Then read my sig LOL |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:28:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe , but hope is more prevalent than faith in that instance IMHO Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're confusing faith (sports team) with hope. The sports team fan has no faith his lousy team with win, he hopes they win and cheers them on to this end. No, I'm not. You hope your team wins the game. You have faith that they will. The Browns suck. People go to their games, not because they have hope, but they have faith that, one day, they won't be a disappointment. You continue to go to games because you have faith in your team. You aren't hoping they will win, you know they will. Eventually. That's faith. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:30:21 PM EDT
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]It's right there above in this answer. Try real hard, you'll see it. You're like this little yapping chihuahua snapping at the heels of people you don't like around here, stay off my threads if all you do is snap at them. Then read my sig LOL I'm not sure if you know what a hypocrite is. I gave you a legitimate answer in my first post and your response was "BS". No discussion, no nothing. So who's the one that holds grudges against people you don't like? I don't even know who you fucking are. I know we argued about something at one point but I care so little about it I don't remember what. If you think I follow you around to give you a hard time you think you're a lot more important than you actually are lol. As far as your sig line...yeah... if it makes you feel better to think I'm a basement dweller, more power to you. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:31:00 PM EDT
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Clearly admitting you don't believe it.....because then you can do something about it. Ever tried to get an unrepentant drunk, who doesn't think they have a problem, to go to rehab? Until they realize they have a problem, there's no helping them. It sounds like you're where you need to be and just need to find the right solution. Christ is the answer but you need to come in true repentance and acceptance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never found faith, but I'm much happier now without the search. Until you take your last breath...... this is like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. "Gee I really enjoyed the freedom of not wearing a parachute". Which is better? Admitting that you don't believe, it faking it? Clearly admitting you don't believe it.....because then you can do something about it. Ever tried to get an unrepentant drunk, who doesn't think they have a problem, to go to rehab? Until they realize they have a problem, there's no helping them. It sounds like you're where you need to be and just need to find the right solution. Christ is the answer but you need to come in true repentance and acceptance. If I don't believe it, why would I feel a need to do anything about it? Like I said...I appreciate the thought. But I'm good without all of that. 
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:31:42 PM EDT
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So is it's gods will this thread is retarded?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:33:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:40:40 PM EDT
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What if evil is simply ignorance? And what if over the course of many reincarnations we learn to not be ignorant?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:44:24 PM EDT
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If I don't believe it, why would I feel a need to do anything about it? Like I said...I appreciate the thought. But I'm good without all of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never found faith, but I'm much happier now without the search. Until you take your last breath...... this is like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. "Gee I really enjoyed the freedom of not wearing a parachute". Which is better? Admitting that you don't believe, it faking it? Clearly admitting you don't believe it.....because then you can do something about it. Ever tried to get an unrepentant drunk, who doesn't think they have a problem, to go to rehab? Until they realize they have a problem, there's no helping them. It sounds like you're where you need to be and just need to find the right solution. Christ is the answer but you need to come in true repentance and acceptance. If I don't believe it, why would I feel a need to do anything about it? Like I said...I appreciate the thought. But I'm good without all of that. Well--and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect when I say this--for someone who is okay with it, you sure spend a lot of time trying to convince us..err yourself...err us :D Kind of like my cousin who once spent nearly two hours convincing us that both he and God were okay with the six pack he had in his hands. I really wish you the best my friend. I hope you find your path. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much like you're stalking every thread I start. Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:50:37 PM EDT
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You can believe that if you want too. It is not what the Bible teaches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever considered that maybe that is why you haven't been given the "gift" of faith ? What if "faith" was't given but drawn out from one's own internal world, actively springing from the heart of one's own personality rather than given out like Thanksgiving's cold leftovers to the homeless? You can believe that if you want too. It is not what the Bible teaches. You can believe that if you want. too Your death will be a nothing. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:50:40 PM EDT
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I guess that's a lot of words for no and it's because of free will? I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome. Man, talk about a inflated sense of self importance. He thinks people follow him around to give him shit
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:53:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess that's a lot of words for no and it's because of free will? I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome. But you're bullet proof here right? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:00:37 PM EDT
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Have I ever told you definition of insanity?
These threads |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:03:08 PM EDT
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You can believe that if you want. too Your death will be a nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever considered that maybe that is why you haven't been given the "gift" of faith ? What if "faith" was't given but drawn out from one's own internal world, actively springing from the heart of one's own personality rather than given out like Thanksgiving's cold leftovers to the homeless? You can believe that if you want too. It is not what the Bible teaches. You can believe that if you want. too Your death will be a nothing. How do you know that...for sure? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:04:09 PM EDT
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Man, talk about a inflated sense of self importance. He thinks people follow him around to give him shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome. Man, talk about a inflated sense of self importance. He thinks people follow him around to give him shit There are a few of those on here....always good for a giggle when I'm accused of "stalking" |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:11:05 PM EDT
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Well--and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect when I say this--for someone who is okay with it, you sure spend a lot of time trying to convince us..err yourself...err us :D Kind of like my cousin who once spent nearly two hours convincing us that both he and God were okay with the six pack he had in his hands. I really wish you the best my friend. I hope you find your path. I jump into these threads for two reasons. 1. They are usually more interesting than beans/no beans. 2. It might help someone else see that they don't have to fake it. It's ok to not believe. Admitting that religion isn't for you can be a hard thing...It can really make a person feel like a failure. "Everybody around me seems to just believe...why can't I?" But it is possible to walk away from the church and religion and still be ok. I found my path, and I've honestly never been more content or at peace. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:15:37 PM EDT
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I jump into these threads for two reasons. 1. They are usually more interesting than beans/no beans. 2. It might help someone else see that they don't have to fake it. It's ok to not believe. Admitting that religion isn't for you can be a hard thing...It can really make a person feel like a failure. "Everybody around me seems to just believe...why can't I?" But it is possible to walk away from the church and religion and still be ok. I found my path, and I've honestly never been more content or at peace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well--and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect when I say this--for someone who is okay with it, you sure spend a lot of time trying to convince us..err yourself...err us :D Kind of like my cousin who once spent nearly two hours convincing us that both he and God were okay with the six pack he had in his hands. I really wish you the best my friend. I hope you find your path. I jump into these threads for two reasons. 1. They are usually more interesting than beans/no beans. 2. It might help someone else see that they don't have to fake it. It's ok to not believe. Admitting that religion isn't for you can be a hard thing...It can really make a person feel like a failure. "Everybody around me seems to just believe...why can't I?" But it is possible to walk away from the church and religion and still be ok. I found my path, and I've honestly never been more content or at peace. Translation: "I don't believe in God, therefore no one else should either..if they do, they're a stupid doody head" |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a few of those on here....always good for a giggle when I'm accused of "stalking" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Funny huh, staff thought so too, keep it up I know you want to feel like the specialist snowflake, but I just caught this on active topics. Sorry. Also, I would gather staff gives two shits. I'll be glad to keep up doing what I do. You're welcome. Man, talk about a inflated sense of self importance. He thinks people follow him around to give him shit There are a few of those on here....always good for a giggle when I'm accused of "stalking" |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you'd be wrong, trolling/stalking is fucked up But you're bullet proof here right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you'd be wrong, trolling/stalking is fucked up But you're bullet proof here right? But yea, I decided to click on religion threads in active topics today to see what kind of word vomit with no basis in logic people were posting about today. Turns out there's more than just the atheist bashing thread! But I digress, would you consider this thread doing gods work? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:21:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Translation: "I don't believe in God, therefore no one else should either..if they do, they're a stupid doody head" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well--and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect when I say this--for someone who is okay with it, you sure spend a lot of time trying to convince us..err yourself...err us :D Kind of like my cousin who once spent nearly two hours convincing us that both he and God were okay with the six pack he had in his hands. I really wish you the best my friend. I hope you find your path. I jump into these threads for two reasons. 1. They are usually more interesting than beans/no beans. 2. It might help someone else see that they don't have to fake it. It's ok to not believe. Admitting that religion isn't for you can be a hard thing...It can really make a person feel like a failure. "Everybody around me seems to just believe...why can't I?" But it is possible to walk away from the church and religion and still be ok. I found my path, and I've honestly never been more content or at peace. Translation: "I don't believe in God, therefore no one else should either..if they do, they're a stupid doody head" Leave us the fuck alone and we will leave you alone, right? Live & let live. This one Fucking atheist on O'reilly pisses me off, I hope I never run into the scum bag |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:21:41 PM EDT
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Hey OP, beware the me monster.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, I might not be. But yea pretty much, well... bullet resistant. (cept a 24 lock?) But yea, I decided to click on religion threads in active topics today to see what kind of word vomit with no basis in logic people were posting about today. Turns out there's more than just the atheist bashing thread! But I digress, would you consider this thread doing gods work? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: you'd be wrong, trolling/stalking is fucked up But you're bullet proof here right? (cept a 24 lock?) But yea, I decided to click on religion threads in active topics today to see what kind of word vomit with no basis in logic people were posting about today. Turns out there's more than just the atheist bashing thread! But I digress, would you consider this thread doing gods work? Although I believe there is a God I do not believe he is a benevolent God |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:25:12 PM EDT
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Well--and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect when I say this--for someone who is okay with it, you sure spend a lot of time trying to convince us..err yourself...err us :D Kind of like my cousin who once spent nearly two hours convincing us that both he and God were okay with the six pack he had in his hands. I really wish you the best my friend. I hope you find your path. I jump into these threads for two reasons. 1. They are usually more interesting than beans/no beans. 2. It might help someone else see that they don't have to fake it. It's ok to not believe. Admitting that religion isn't for you can be a hard thing...It can really make a person feel like a failure. "Everybody around me seems to just believe...why can't I?" But it is possible to walk away from the church and religion and still be ok. I found my path, and I've honestly never been more content or at peace. Translation: "I don't believe in God, therefore no one else should either..if they do, they're a stupid doody head" 
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:33:08 PM EDT
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False. Some of us tried for years to find faith, or waited for this "gift." Nothing, and not for a lack of trying. At some point, you get tired of waiting, of trying to believe things just because preachers and well meaning people on the internet say so. I wouldn't want to worship such a god even if you could convince me it exists. That isn't mercy. It isn't love. It is evil Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you define "free will". It is not used even once in the Bible. Instead, we are told that men are unable to choose righteousness on their own. Romans 3:1010 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is no doubt that men cannot "become righteous" through their efforts. There are those of us (Calvinists) who believe that we cannot even "believe" in Christ unto Salvation unless God gives us the Free Gift of Faith. We only have the "free will" to reject Him, not to accept Him. it clearly states that every man is given the measure of faith necessary to come to belief. Every man. No man will stand before God at the judgement--having rejected Christ--and have the ability to say "Well gee God, I never heart about you, had a thought about you, or had a chance to accept you". The Holy Spirit will convict everyone of their lost condition. I believe that God manifests Himself in every conceivable way: nature, seeing a child born, sunsets, sunrises, seeing the ocean, a lightning storm over the ocean, a wheat field blowing in the wind. Everywhere. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess, only for some it will precede being thrown into eternal damnation of the lake of fire forever. Go strike a match and let it burn too close to your finger for a second.....then envision that for all eternity, all over your body and much worse. The place that God created for satan and his angels will be an immense place of torture to match the suffering that satan caused God's chidlren and as a punishment for leading God's people to it. It was never meant for God's children, it was meant for Satan and will be awful. If the human mind could comprehend the suffering, every Church in the world would be filled to capacity Sunday. Instead, people have rejected Jesus for a glass of wine, swig of alcohol or a beer. I pray for some of the people in this thread. 
False. Some of us tried for years to find faith, or waited for this "gift." Nothing, and not for a lack of trying. At some point, you get tired of waiting, of trying to believe things just because preachers and well meaning people on the internet say so. I wouldn't want to worship such a god even if you could convince me it exists. That isn't mercy. It isn't love. It is evil You have been mislead. Preachers don't need to tell you what to do. Forget them, read scripture & listen to your heart. Pray, worship & listen. God gives you free will to love him, so you can do good or evil & you despise him for it so you pretend he doesn't exist. As j am I yet preying it. You seem to be focusing more on this world rather than the eternal perspective.... If God can not trust us in this world to enact Love for one another, a blink of an eye in time, but yet miraculous in existence of the human element, meant for embracing the future, working to know truth, how can he expect you to do so for all of eternity? What amazes me is to let go of a Hope where all those you have loved & showed love to, are let go because you can't stretch your Faith to trust the promise he made to say you may have eternal life. Or if you are owed it, shall be issued, as a debt to be paid because of Faith as Abraham was. If False religion has failed you, I am not surprised. If fails every involved. But Faith unwaivering can never fail. But alas some are seeds planted on the side of the road, others in the good soil. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:40:12 PM EDT
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If God knows everything (including all the actions you will take in your life) and he created you knowing this, you don't have freewill.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:58:59 PM EDT
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Well--and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect when I say this--for someone who is okay with it, you sure spend a lot of time trying to convince us..err yourself...err us :D Kind of like my cousin who once spent nearly two hours convincing us that both he and God were okay with the six pack he had in his hands. I really wish you the best my friend. I hope you find your path. I jump into these threads for two reasons. 1. They are usually more interesting than beans/no beans. 2. It might help someone else see that they don't have to fake it. It's ok to not believe. Admitting that religion isn't for you can be a hard thing...It can really make a person feel like a failure. "Everybody around me seems to just believe...why can't I?" But it is possible to walk away from the church and religion and still be ok. I found my path, and I've honestly never been more content or at peace. Translation: "I don't believe in God, therefore no one else should either..if they do, they're a stupid doody head"
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:59:09 PM EDT
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According to the Bible when a sinner comes to repentance, their sins of the past, present and future are forgiven. Christ accepts a truly repentant heart despite knowing what we will do, that we will look at that woman in lust (to use your example). I have true and great fear that many of these so-called Christians that never have a desire to go to Church are truly unsaved. Salvation is free in and of itself, but comes with an obligation. True soul saving faith will produce true repentance and works will be produced. Salvation isn't like a polio shot where you get it and then never think of it again, it's a daily walk with God and Christ. The Bible clearly covers it when it says "not everyone who cries Lord, Lord will be saved". This accounts for those who don't come in a true spirit of repentance--they want to live their lives on their terms. They refuse to change their lives, turn from their sins and evil. I've seen plenty of both people--those whose lives changed as a result of repentance and salvation and those who never again have a thought of service, obligation, etc. once they are 'saved'. It's not my part to tell them one way or another. God, Christ and the Bible never expected you to live your life perfectly after acceptance. In fact, Paul who wrote most of the New Testament, clearly states in Romans that "the things I know I should do, I don't. The things I know I shouldn't do, those are the things I do". Yet God still trusted him and gave him the honor of writing some very important parts of the Bible. Most of the people in the Bible clearly are shown to be fallible. David--a man after God's own heart was an adulterer and murderer--he was forgiven of it but was chastised just the same. Doubting Thomas. Peter denied Christ and cursed. Sin after acceptance of Christ, it just gets in between us and God like static but has nothing to do with salvation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never found faith, but I'm much happier now without the search. Until you take your last breath...... this is like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. "Gee I really enjoyed the freedom of not wearing a parachute". It depends on how base a level you accept religion. For example, there are plenty of people on this forum who are the types who say that they are Christian but never go to church, don't follow anything but the "Thou shalt not murder" and "Thou shalt not steal" parts of the teachings of the Bible, but think that they are full-fledged religious types. You also have the type of person who self-flagellates when they look at a woman with a little bit of lust. It comes in many forms. I personally wouldn't want to live my life with the fear that, unless I follow the exact teachings of the Bible to the letter then I will burn in hell for eternity. See, that just doesn't cut it for me. If I'm destined to burn, I'd rather have a few minutes in the freezer. And that's why many don't find faith. It was never a question for me. According to the Bible when a sinner comes to repentance, their sins of the past, present and future are forgiven. Christ accepts a truly repentant heart despite knowing what we will do, that we will look at that woman in lust (to use your example). I have true and great fear that many of these so-called Christians that never have a desire to go to Church are truly unsaved. Salvation is free in and of itself, but comes with an obligation. True soul saving faith will produce true repentance and works will be produced. Salvation isn't like a polio shot where you get it and then never think of it again, it's a daily walk with God and Christ. The Bible clearly covers it when it says "not everyone who cries Lord, Lord will be saved". This accounts for those who don't come in a true spirit of repentance--they want to live their lives on their terms. They refuse to change their lives, turn from their sins and evil. I've seen plenty of both people--those whose lives changed as a result of repentance and salvation and those who never again have a thought of service, obligation, etc. once they are 'saved'. It's not my part to tell them one way or another. God, Christ and the Bible never expected you to live your life perfectly after acceptance. In fact, Paul who wrote most of the New Testament, clearly states in Romans that "the things I know I should do, I don't. The things I know I shouldn't do, those are the things I do". Yet God still trusted him and gave him the honor of writing some very important parts of the Bible. Most of the people in the Bible clearly are shown to be fallible. David--a man after God's own heart was an adulterer and murderer--he was forgiven of it but was chastised just the same. Doubting Thomas. Peter denied Christ and cursed. Sin after acceptance of Christ, it just gets in between us and God like static but has nothing to do with salvation. I totally know where you are coming from. Many scriptures have several examples of people that were Holy profits that were outside of the established religion of the old testament. Daniel & his four friends being one that didn't have the privilege of a church, but yet when finding themselves in a society such as Babalon, they lived there lives in obedience to God. When persecuted, did Danial waiver when cast into the lions den, or did Abednigo & his friends waiver when tossed into the furnace? That is holding faith. One can extrapolate many scenarios this can be an analogy for. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:03:05 AM EDT
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So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Your avatar speaks volumes bro.. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:05:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes God didn't create evil, as there is no such thing as "evil" - there is a lack of "Godliness" if that makes sense. God doesn't determine what's good and evil. He determined what is good. Think of it this way, is there such a thing as hot and cold? Or, is it a state with energy, and a state without energy. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:07:15 AM EDT
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And it is spelled, "Prophet."
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:07:50 AM EDT
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Does Light create Darkness?
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:07:57 AM EDT
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You have been mislead. Preachers don't need to tell you what to do. Forget them, read scripture & listen to your heart. Pray, worship & listen. God gives you free will to love him, so you can do good or evil & you despise him for it so you pretend he doesn't exist. As j am I yet preying it. You seem to be focusing more on this world rather than the eternal perspective.... If God can not trust us in this world to enact Love for one another, a blink of an eye in time, but yet miraculous in existence of the human element, meant for embracing the future, working to know truth, how can he expect you to do so for all of eternity? What amazes me is to let go of a Hope where all those you have loved & showed love to, are let go because you can't stretch your Faith to trust the promise he made to say you may have eternal life. Or if you are owed it, shall be issued, as a debt to be paid because of Faith as Abraham was. If False religion has failed you, I am not surprised. If fails every involved. But Faith unwaivering can never fail. But alas some are seeds planted on the side of the road, others in the good soil. I did that...not a whisper of inspiration, guidance, or even feelings that "something" was going on. I don't hate God. And I'm not "pretending." After years of trying, I did not experience anything that made me believe he is real. There are stories from other people about experiences they've had, but that really doesn't count for much in my book. You still seem to be basing your points from the assumption that God is real and the bible is true. Which is natural for you. But try to imagine the futility of it, from my perspective. Without a belief in God, why would I concern myself with what he wants from me? I didn't let go of hope. I was just finally honest with myself. It was hard to finally accept and admit that I had been lying to myself for so long. How could I stretch faith I didn't have? I guess I'm just poor soil. But at least now I'm being honest with myself. Either way, I'm ok with it. I tried. But I'm not going to knock on a door forever when nobody seems to be home. If God is real, I figure he will understand. If he isn't, then it is moot. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:10:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:10:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your avatar speaks volumes bro.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So is it's gods will this thread is retarded? Your avatar speaks volumes bro.. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:11:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:13:58 AM EDT
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I did that...not a whisper of inspiration, guidance, or even feelings that "something" was going on. I don't hate God. And I'm not "pretending." After years of trying, I did not experience anything that made me believe he is real. There are stories from other people about experiences they've had, but that really doesn't count for much in my book. You still seem to be basing your points from the assumption that God is real and the bible is true. Which is natural for you. But try to imagine the futility of it, from my perspective. Without a belief in God, why would I concern myself with what he wants from me? I didn't let go of hope. I was just finally honest with myself. It was hard to finally accept and admit that I had been lying to myself for so long. How could I stretch faith I didn't have? I guess I'm just poor soil. But at least now I'm being honest with myself. Either way, I'm ok with it. I tried. But I'm not going to knock on a door forever when nobody seems to be home. If God is real, I figure he will understand. If he isn't, then it is moot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have been mislead. Preachers don't need to tell you what to do. Forget them, read scripture & listen to your heart. Pray, worship & listen. God gives you free will to love him, so you can do good or evil & you despise him for it so you pretend he doesn't exist. As j am I yet preying it. You seem to be focusing more on this world rather than the eternal perspective.... If God can not trust us in this world to enact Love for one another, a blink of an eye in time, but yet miraculous in existence of the human element, meant for embracing the future, working to know truth, how can he expect you to do so for all of eternity? What amazes me is to let go of a Hope where all those you have loved & showed love to, are let go because you can't stretch your Faith to trust the promise he made to say you may have eternal life. Or if you are owed it, shall be issued, as a debt to be paid because of Faith as Abraham was. If False religion has failed you, I am not surprised. If fails every involved. But Faith unwaivering can never fail. But alas some are seeds planted on the side of the road, others in the good soil. I did that...not a whisper of inspiration, guidance, or even feelings that "something" was going on. I don't hate God. And I'm not "pretending." After years of trying, I did not experience anything that made me believe he is real. There are stories from other people about experiences they've had, but that really doesn't count for much in my book. You still seem to be basing your points from the assumption that God is real and the bible is true. Which is natural for you. But try to imagine the futility of it, from my perspective. Without a belief in God, why would I concern myself with what he wants from me? I didn't let go of hope. I was just finally honest with myself. It was hard to finally accept and admit that I had been lying to myself for so long. How could I stretch faith I didn't have? I guess I'm just poor soil. But at least now I'm being honest with myself. Either way, I'm ok with it. I tried. But I'm not going to knock on a door forever when nobody seems to be home. If God is real, I figure he will understand. If he isn't, then it is moot. I see. As I see it boils down to one question really, the rest is mental gymnastics of hyperbola: Do you see the result of your daily life and interactions as being positive for people or do you work to their ruin? Do you treat others as you want to be treated? Do you live your life in the up building of others or for their tearing down & your own benefit? That is where the long look in the mirror comes in. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:16:48 AM EDT
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Does Light create Darkness? More important knowledge teaches that darkness flees from light. It can not conquer it, so long as the light exists. "I am the light of the world. So long as I am in the world there will be light..." |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:24:17 AM EDT
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I see. As I see it boils down to one question really, the rest is mental gymnastics of hyperbola: Do you see the result of your daily life and interactions as being positive for people or do you work to their ruin? Do you treat others as you want to be treated? Do you live your life in the up building of others or for their tearing down & your own benefit? That is where the long look in the mirror comes in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have been mislead. Preachers don't need to tell you what to do. Forget them, read scripture & listen to your heart. Pray, worship & listen. God gives you free will to love him, so you can do good or evil & you despise him for it so you pretend he doesn't exist. As j am I yet preying it. You seem to be focusing more on this world rather than the eternal perspective.... If God can not trust us in this world to enact Love for one another, a blink of an eye in time, but yet miraculous in existence of the human element, meant for embracing the future, working to know truth, how can he expect you to do so for all of eternity? What amazes me is to let go of a Hope where all those you have loved & showed love to, are let go because you can't stretch your Faith to trust the promise he made to say you may have eternal life. Or if you are owed it, shall be issued, as a debt to be paid because of Faith as Abraham was. If False religion has failed you, I am not surprised. If fails every involved. But Faith unwaivering can never fail. But alas some are seeds planted on the side of the road, others in the good soil. I did that...not a whisper of inspiration, guidance, or even feelings that "something" was going on. I don't hate God. And I'm not "pretending." After years of trying, I did not experience anything that made me believe he is real. There are stories from other people about experiences they've had, but that really doesn't count for much in my book. You still seem to be basing your points from the assumption that God is real and the bible is true. Which is natural for you. But try to imagine the futility of it, from my perspective. Without a belief in God, why would I concern myself with what he wants from me? I didn't let go of hope. I was just finally honest with myself. It was hard to finally accept and admit that I had been lying to myself for so long. How could I stretch faith I didn't have? I guess I'm just poor soil. But at least now I'm being honest with myself. Either way, I'm ok with it. I tried. But I'm not going to knock on a door forever when nobody seems to be home. If God is real, I figure he will understand. If he isn't, then it is moot. I see. As I see it boils down to one question really, the rest is mental gymnastics of hyperbola: Do you see the result of your daily life and interactions as being positive for people or do you work to their ruin? Do you treat others as you want to be treated? Do you live your life in the up building of others or for their tearing down & your own benefit? That is where the long look in the mirror comes in. I try to help people. To be uplifting and positive. Regardless of my views on the validity of the bible, the golden rule is the best policy. So, yeah... I try to be a good person who people enjoy being around and can count on. Most people, anyway. There are some who make it harder to maintain civility...But I try not to let them get to me too much. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:27:02 AM EDT
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Then king Darius wrote to those of every people, nation, and language who live on the earth (Or the known world at that time): "May your prosperity abound. I issue a decree that in my royal dominion, people must fear (Or reverence) before the God of Daniel:
For He is the living God, And He endures forever; His kingdom will never be destroyed, and His dominion has no end. He rescues and delivers; He performs signs and wonders in the heavens and on the earth, For He has rescued Daniel from the power of the lions." So Daniel prospered during the reign of Darius and (Or Darius, even) and the reign of Cyrus the Persian. The Old Testament Prophecy of Daniel the LORD's Servant The Book of Daniel; 6: 25-28 (DCE) Darius Honors God: Daniel Released |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:30:48 AM EDT
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If you did not reverence then you were killed.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:33:54 AM EDT
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