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I entered the discussion to point out a bit of hypocrisy.  Many people on ARFCOM believe all drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are the worst sort of scum, worthy only of a brutal death. Yet in this thread, I see some of the same people saying the actions of fictional drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are justifiable and that these people have redeeming qualities.  

Which is it?  

I know enough about that show to know people thought it well written and brilliantly acted.  Maybe it was. I did not watch enough of it to judge that.  

But with respect to the characters I also know this: White and Jessie were multiple murderers who killed in furtherance of making money from their drug trafficking empire.  Under the FBI classification for serial murders, these are what is known as "mission-oriented" serial murderers - one subcategory of which is people who kill for financial gain.  Once these fictional characters crossed the line into making and selling meth, they no longer had recourse to any legitimate claim of self-defense against competitors planning to kill them. They voluntarily put themselves into that world - and they always, always, had another way out besides murder - turn themselves over to the USG and testify against the others still in the trade.  

Redeeming qualities? I don't see one in either character.  Then again, as I said I don't like real drug dealers very much either.

Raising this resulted in someone making the inference I was sexually abused by a drug dealer.  I wasn't.  My sister was murdered by one. Pointing this out was my response, albeit with a descriptor that was insulting, and for which I do not apologize. Since then, people have suggested I seek out this sort of discussion. I do, but only to point out my view that drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers, even fictional one, have forfeited any claim to having redeeming qualities.

So, think about this when you discuss drug dealers, manufacturers, and people who kill in furtherance of their drug empires, even fictional ones in well written well acted televisions dramas:  People like that traffic in human misery for profit. In many cases they are also terrorists (i.e., ever heard of narcoterrorists?) members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS. Or do you think terrorists, even fictional ones, have redeeming qualities?  I don't, but then again, people I know died in the South Tower and the Pentagon.  Others I know came home from Afghanistan and Iraq with physical and psychological wounds that will never fully heal.

Drug traffickers are responsible, directly and indirectly, for the deaths of sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, and countless others.  

They leave nothing but loss and misery in their wake.  All for money.

Redeeming qualities?  

Bullshit.

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I entered the discussion to point out a bit of hypocrisy.  Many people on ARFCOM believe all drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are the worst sort of scum, worthy only of a brutal death. Yet in this thread, I see some of the same people saying the actions of fictional drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are justifiable and that these people have redeeming qualities.  

Which is it?  

I know enough about that show to know people thought it well written and brilliantly acted.  Maybe it was. I did not watch enough of it to judge that.  

But with respect to the characters I also know this: White and Jessie were multiple murderers who killed in furtherance of making money from their drug trafficking empire.  Under the FBI classification for serial murders, these are what is known as "mission-oriented" serial murderers - one subcategory of which is people who kill for financial gain.  Once these fictional characters crossed the line into making and selling meth, they no longer had recourse to any legitimate claim of self-defense against competitors planning to kill them. They voluntarily put themselves into that world - and they always, always, had another way out besides murder - turn themselves over to the USG and testify against the others still in the trade.  

Redeeming qualities? I don't see one in either character.  Then again, as I said I don't like real drug dealers very much either.

Raising this resulted in someone making the inference I was sexually abused by a drug dealer.  I wasn't.  My sister was murdered by one. Pointing this out was my response, albeit with a descriptor that was insulting, and for which I do not apologize. Since then, people have suggested I seek out this sort of discussion. I do, but only to point out my view that drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers, even fictional one, have forfeited any claim to having redeeming qualities.

So, think about this when you discuss drug dealers, manufacturers, and people who kill in furtherance of their drug empires, even fictional ones in well written well acted televisions dramas:  People like that traffic in human misery for profit. In many cases they are also terrorists (i.e., ever heard of narcoterrorists?) members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS. Or do you think terrorists, even fictional ones, have redeeming qualities?  I don't, but then again, people I know died in the South Tower and the Pentagon.  Others I know came home from Afghanistan and Iraq with physical and psychological wounds that will never fully heal.

Drug traffickers are responsible, directly and indirectly, for the deaths of sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, and countless others.  

They leave nothing but loss and misery in their wake.  All for money.

Redeeming qualities?  

Bullshit.

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You don't know DC in the 1980s.  Many people unrelated to the drug trade got caught in the crossfire of the Cocaine and Crack War that raged from 1985 to around 1995 (e.g., 479 just in 1991). There were large areas of the city you didn't go to, but that didn't stop the drug traffickers from coming into poor, yet decent areas.

Do people in the drug trade have redeeming qualities?  Not if they traffic in crack, meth, or similar Schedule 1 drugs that have no medicinal value.  Heroin should be taken from Schedule 1 and put into Schedule 2, and given to people with terminal illnesses if needed to deal with their pain (I believe there is currently a compassionate use exception for heroin in Schedule 1 for this reason, but as I understand it, it is rarely used). Marijuana - well I say screw the Schedule 1 listing - it clearly hasn't worked there and we are seeing some medical uses being found (e.g.., treating severe cases of childhood epilepsy). I think it should be legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco.

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So, you'd be okay with watching a fictional and well acted and written TV show that points out the redeeming qualities of a group of Islamic terrorists who kill Americans because they need the money to finance their family's middle class life in Kileen or Assholeistan after they shoot up the local US Army base.  

Or a fictional series that points out the redeeming qualities of Usama bin Laden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Pablo Escobar, or Nidal Malik Hasan?

How about a TV show that points out the redeeming qualities of pedophiliic porn merchants?  They have families who need money too.

How about one on Supreme Court Justices that sell out conservative values on issues like the plain meaning of words like "states" or homosexual marriage? You'd get the SJW liberals to go for that one too. I need to copyright that idea - it might be an Emmy winning idea!

I guess anything goes on TV if it is well written and well acted, and the characters redeeming qualities overshadow everything else they do.


As for what I like, in fiction I like crime shows where a police officer or detective, though doing his job well, catches the criminal.  For example, I am currently watching Foyle's War and Inspector Morse. I also have a fondness for almost every version of Sherlock Holmes ever done (Jeremy Brett being my favorite). I also like very non-PC cop movies like Charlie Chan. A good intelligence thriller is also something i enjoy.  Last night I fell asleep watching Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. Gary Oldham nailed the character of George Smiley.

I also enjoy non-fiction documentaries on almost every topic known, if the liberal herp isn't too strong.  I am currently watching a series about the hunt for Nazi war criminals that was done by BBC. I was surprised to learn how many involved in the mass extermination of humans were not even tried (about 90%) and how few were given their just reward - a hangman's noose. The History and Discovery channels were once my favorite cable stations, but they went too far into the antireality bullshit, so much so, I dropped cable altogether and now just watch NetFlix

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I entered the discussion to point out a bit of hypocrisy.  Many people on ARFCOM believe all drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are the worst sort of scum, worthy only of a brutal death. Yet in this thread, I see some of the same people saying the actions of fictional drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are justifiable and that these people have redeeming qualities.  

Which is it?  

I know enough about that show to know people thought it well written and brilliantly acted.  Maybe it was. I did not watch enough of it to judge that.  

But with respect to the characters I also know this: White and Jessie were multiple murderers who killed in furtherance of making money from their drug trafficking empire.  Under the FBI classification for serial murders, these are what is known as "mission-oriented" serial murderers - one subcategory of which is people who kill for financial gain.  Once these fictional characters crossed the line into making and selling meth, they no longer had recourse to any legitimate claim of self-defense against competitors planning to kill them. They voluntarily put themselves into that world - and they always, always, had another way out besides murder - turn themselves over to the USG and testify against the others still in the trade.  

Redeeming qualities? I don't see one in either character.  Then again, as I said I don't like real drug dealers very much either.

Raising this resulted in someone making the inference I was sexually abused by a drug dealer.  I wasn't.  My sister was murdered by one. Pointing this out was my response, albeit with a descriptor that was insulting, and for which I do not apologize. Since then, people have suggested I seek out this sort of discussion. I do, but only to point out my view that drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers, even fictional one, have forfeited any claim to having redeeming qualities.

So, think about this when you discuss drug dealers, manufacturers, and people who kill in furtherance of their drug empires, even fictional ones in well written well acted televisions dramas:  People like that traffic in human misery for profit. In many cases they are also terrorists (i.e., ever heard of narcoterrorists?) members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS. Or do you think terrorists, even fictional ones, have redeeming qualities?  I don't, but then again, people I know died in the South Tower and the Pentagon.  Others I know came home from Afghanistan and Iraq with physical and psychological wounds that will never fully heal.

Drug traffickers are responsible, directly and indirectly, for the deaths of sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, and countless others.  

They leave nothing but loss and misery in their wake.  All for money.

Redeeming qualities?  

Bullshit.

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Since you keep dodging the question I'm going to infer that your sister did something that got her killed besides mere wrong place wrong time.

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So, you'd be okay with watching a fictional and well acted and written TV show that points out the redeeming qualities of a group of Islamic terrorists who kill Americans because they need the money to finance their family's middle class life in Kileen or Assholeistan after they shoot up the local US Army base.  

Or a fictional series that points out the redeeming qualities of Usama bin Laden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Pablo Escobar, or Nidal Malik Hasan?

How about a TV show that points out the redeeming qualities of pedophiliic porn merchants?  They have families who need money too.

How about one on Supreme Court Justices that sell out conservative values on issues like the plain meaning of words like "states" or homosexual marriage? You'd get the SJW liberals to go for that one too. I need to copyright that idea - it might be an Emmy winning idea!

I guess anything goes on TV if it is well written and well acted, and the characters redeeming qualities overshadow everything else they do.


As for what I like, in fiction I like crime shows where a police officer or detective, though doing his job well, catches the criminal.  For example, I am currently watching Foyle's War and Inspector Morse. I also have a fondness for almost every version of Sherlock Holmes ever done (Jeremy Brett being my favorite). I also like very non-PC cop movies like Charlie Chan. A good intelligence thriller is also something i enjoy.  Last night I fell asleep watching Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. Gary Oldham nailed the character of George Smiley.

I also enjoy non-fiction documentaries on almost every topic known, if the liberal herp isn't too strong.  I am currently watching a series about the hunt for Nazi war criminals that was done by BBC. I was surprised to learn how many involved in the mass extermination of humans were not even tried (about 90%) and how few were given their just reward - a hangman's noose. The History and Discovery channels were once my favorite cable stations, but they went too far into the antireality bullshit, so much so, I dropped cable altogether and now just watch NetFlix

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Wrong place, wrong time. To the best of my knowledge she wasn't there buying or selling drugs.

She wasn't an innocent to be sure, but she till got murdered.

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That's a lot of words just to say "I don't know anything about the characters" and "I can't separate fiction from reality."



So what shows and movies do you like?

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I entered the discussion to point out a bit of hypocrisy.  Many people on ARFCOM believe all drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are the worst sort of scum, worthy only of a brutal death. Yet in this thread, I see some of the same people saying the actions of fictional drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers are justifiable and that these people have redeeming qualities.  



Which is it?  



I know enough about that show to know people thought it well written and brilliantly acted.  Maybe it was. I did not watch enough of it to judge that.  



But with respect to the characters I also know this: White and Jessie were multiple murderers who killed in furtherance of making money from their drug trafficking empire.  Under the FBI classification for serial murders, these are what is known as "mission-oriented" serial murderers - one subcategory of which is people who kill for financial gain.  Once these fictional characters crossed the line into making and selling meth, they no longer had recourse to any legitimate claim of self-defense against competitors planning to kill them. They voluntarily put themselves into that world - and they always, always, had another way out besides murder - turn themselves over to the USG and testify against the others still in the trade.  



Redeeming qualities? I don't see one in either character.  Then again, as I said I don't like real drug dealers very much either.



Raising this resulted in someone making the inference I was sexually abused by a drug dealer.  I wasn't.  My sister was murdered by one. Pointing this out was my response, albeit with a descriptor that was insulting, and for which I do not apologize. Since then, people have suggested I seek out this sort of discussion. I do, but only to point out my view that drug dealers, drug manufacturers, and multiple murderers, even fictional one, have forfeited any claim to having redeeming qualities.



So, think about this when you discuss drug dealers, manufacturers, and people who kill in furtherance of their drug empires, even fictional ones in well written well acted televisions dramas:  People like that traffic in human misery for profit. In many cases they are also terrorists (i.e., ever heard of narcoterrorists?) members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS. Or do you think terrorists, even fictional ones, have redeeming qualities?  I don't, but then again, people I know died in the South Tower and the Pentagon.  Others I know came home from Afghanistan and Iraq with physical and psychological wounds that will never fully heal.



Drug traffickers are responsible, directly and indirectly, for the deaths of sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, and countless others.  



They leave nothing but loss and misery in their wake.  All for money.



Redeeming qualities?  



Bullshit.

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It's the only 5+ season tv series I've ever seen where each season is better than the previous one.

The last season was the best season of television I've ever seen.  It won the EMMY for best drama, best lead actor in a drama, best supporting actor in a drama, best supporting actress in a drama, and best writing in a drama.

So to answer your question: yeah, it really does "get that better after season 2."

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While I agree each season got even better, I was hooked on this show since the opening scene with the pants flying in the air and loved every minute of it.  So if 3rdpig still isn't feeling it in season 2, I would say no.

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I know everybody is down on S2, but I think it's a little early to say this.  I'd at least give them a chance until the end.

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I loved it.
 

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I know everybody is down on S2, but I think it's a little early to say this.  I'd at least give them a chance until the end.

 

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Wrong place, wrong time. To the best of my knowledge she wasn't there buying or selling drugs.

She wasn't an innocent to be sure, but she till got murdered.

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I loved it.

 

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So, you'd be okay with watching a fictional and well acted and written TV show that points out the redeeming qualities of a group of Islamic terrorists who kill Americans because they need the money to finance their family's middle class life in Kileen or Assholeistan after they shoot up the local US Army base.  

Or a fictional series that points out the redeeming qualities of Usama bin Laden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Pablo Escobar, or Nidal Malik Hasan?

How about a TV show that points out the redeeming qualities of pedophiliic porn merchants?  They have families who need money too.

How about one on Supreme Court Justices that sell out conservative values on issues like the plain meaning of words like "states" or homosexual marriage? You'd get the SJW liberals to go for that one too. I need to copyright that idea - it might be an Emmy winning idea!

I guess anything goes on TV if it is well written and well acted, and the characters redeeming qualities overshadow everything else they do.


As for what I like, in fiction I like crime shows where a police officer or detective, though doing his job well, catches the criminal.  For example, I am currently watching Foyle's War and Inspector Morse. I also have a fondness for almost every version of Sherlock Holmes ever done (Jeremy Brett being my favorite). I also like very non-PC cop movies like Charlie Chan. A good intelligence thriller is also something i enjoy.  Last night I fell asleep watching Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. Gary Oldham nailed the character of George Smiley.

I also enjoy non-fiction documentaries on almost every topic known, if the liberal herp isn't too strong.  I am currently watching a series about the hunt for Nazi war criminals that was done by BBC. I was surprised to learn how many involved in the mass extermination of humans were not even tried (about 90%) and how few were given their just reward - a hangman's noose. The History and Discovery channels were once my favorite cable stations, but they went too far into the antireality bullshit, so much so, I dropped cable altogether and now just watch NetFlix

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This thread needs less photos of Walter's wife, she's ugly and that character was terrible.