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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:35:20 PM EDT
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er ... anyone?
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:37:19 PM EDT
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I do. I have a RRAs 9mm AR. I use it for CQB training on steel and pepper poppers.
ETA: I have a Bumpfire lower for it as well. 
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:47:06 PM EDT
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B'ham SWAT does or ar least did.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:49:42 PM EDT
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It seems like most government agencies have adopted a rifle-caliber weapon, but I saw a few MP5's in the NY manhunt photos. There used to be an MP5 in 10mm |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:53:24 PM EDT
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It seems like most government agencies have adopted a rifle-caliber weapon, but I saw a few MP5's in the NY manhunt photos. There used to be an MP5 in 10mm ORLY? |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:56:07 PM EDT
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Pistol caliber carbines or submachine guns?
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:57:27 PM EDT
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I worked hard in the early '90s to transition the SWAT teams that I was working with to dump the MP5's, etc...and go with M4's. No reason for pistol calibers and lot's of reasons not to.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:59:01 PM EDT
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It seems like most government agencies have adopted a rifle-caliber weapon, but I saw a few MP5's in the NY manhunt photos. Why does it seem that way? |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:59:11 PM EDT
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Pa state police. A trooper ended a post bank robbery shoot out/car chase with a well placed shot to the driver with an MP5 (I was told) a few years ago south of Harrisburg on I83. Was awarded the PSP Medal of Valor.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:05:42 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:07:16 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:10:47 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:11:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:16:08 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? Exactly 
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:16:32 PM EDT
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Last time I checked St Louis city still has Beretta 9mm carbines to go with their 92Ds.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:17:30 PM EDT
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It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:18:23 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? Exactly
Meh, your original post was retarded. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:19:28 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Then there is no way you can argue that a pistol round is better ballistically than a rifle round. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:20:28 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. You do? |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:22:29 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Who often hide behind things like walls and doors but that probably won't matter. Better load up with Glaser Safety Slugs to avoid penetrating drywall and killing the neighbors. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:23:22 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. No. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:23:25 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. lol |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:28:13 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Did you meet your quota this year! |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:28:20 PM EDT
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Then there is no way you can argue that a pistol round is better ballistically than a rifle round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Then there is no way you can argue that a pistol round is better ballistically than a rifle round. Unless you've actually shot a short barreled AR indoors, in a small hallway or room with no earpro. It's so bad that it will make you unconsciously hesitate to pull that trigger again. Well into the realm of permanent hearing loss. A PCC (e.g. MP5) sucks too, but can be tolerated. It can also be suppressed very easily, where a short AR cannot ever be made hearing safe. Short AR's are the internet's clown shoes. Recognize it for what it is. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:28:49 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? Exactly
I guess neither have a can-how sad |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:29:25 PM EDT
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St Louis PD.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:31:07 PM EDT
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Unless you've actually shot a short barreled AR indoors, in a small hallway or room with no earpro. It's so bad that it will make you unconsciously hesitate to pull that trigger again. Well into the realm of permanent hearing loss. A PCC (e.g. MP5) sucks too, but can be tolerated. It can also be suppressed very easily, where a short AR cannot ever be made hearing safe. Short AR's are the internet's clown shoes. Recognize it for what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Then there is no way you can argue that a pistol round is better ballistically than a rifle round. Unless you've actually shot a short barreled AR indoors, in a small hallway or room with no earpro. It's so bad that it will make you unconsciously hesitate to pull that trigger again. Well into the realm of permanent hearing loss. A PCC (e.g. MP5) sucks too, but can be tolerated. It can also be suppressed very easily, where a short AR cannot ever be made hearing safe. Short AR's are the internet's clown shoes. Recognize it for what it is. I guess that's why our military uses PCCs in close quarters... Oh wait |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:32:06 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. 
If you shot humans, then you would be educated on the subject enough to know why people use rifle calibers these days. There's a reason 10.3" AR15s are issued to SOF. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:32:08 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg</a> If that is yours, you win this thread. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:32:17 PM EDT
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Can use an optic if you're so inclined. 
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:32:36 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. fuckin' lol |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:33:07 PM EDT
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How about a short shotgun?
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:36:35 PM EDT
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Have yo seen what 5.56 will do to your eardrums indoors? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. lol wat have you seen what a 5.56 will do at close range? Actually, no I haven't. Do tell. 
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:40:03 PM EDT
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thinking about getting a 460 S&W, and the Raptor AR-10
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:40:42 PM EDT
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It seems like most government agencies have adopted a rifle-caliber weapon, but I saw a few MP5's in the NY manhunt photos. There used to be an MP5 in 10mm ORLY? Yep, the FBI had them, I have shot one. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:41:53 PM EDT
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Then there is no way you can argue that a pistol round is better ballistically than a rifle round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Then there is no way you can argue that a pistol round is better ballistically than a rifle round. Ballistics isn't the only consideration. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:42:14 PM EDT
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Yep, the FBI had them, I have shot one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems like most government agencies have adopted a rifle-caliber weapon, but I saw a few MP5's in the NY manhunt photos. There used to be an MP5 in 10mm ORLY? Yep, the FBI had them, I have shot one. Everybody knows that. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:42:44 PM EDT
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. We are on arfcom though... |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:43:15 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg</a> Fucking sweet. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:44:56 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle caliber carbines are todays 'cool kid' toys, but for most, using a rifle caliber indoors is pretty pointless and can be rather detrimental. Pistol caliber carbines shine indoors and at typical outdoor defensive ranges, it is a shame that so many dismiss and even look down on them. But egos and low self-esteem often trump logic and rational thought. It could be ego and low self esteem. Or more extensive testing of pistol and rifle rounds against common home construction materials by pros and amateurs. Whichever. I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. how often? |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:45:03 PM EDT
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It seems like most government agencies have adopted a rifle-caliber weapon, but I saw a few MP5's in the NY manhunt photos. I do not think PCC's have ever been more popular than they are now, really... |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:46:30 PM EDT
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Man, what's going on in here?
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:47:40 PM EDT
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"pistol caliber" weapons with butt stocks still serve a purpose..
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:48:35 PM EDT
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Man, what's going on in here? Posturing, lying, stupidity, denial, and one really drunk guy that thinks another guy has a pretty bitchin rifle. SUP?! |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, what's going on in here? So far one guy is killing 2x4's and drywall and another is killing people. Or at least so they say. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:55:55 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg</a> Da fuq is that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:58:12 PM EDT
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I dont shoot home construction materials, I shoot humans. how often? Do you really want to know? 
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:58:35 PM EDT
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Posturing, lying, stupidity, denial, and one really drunk guy that thinks another guy has a pretty bitchin rifle. SUP?! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, what's going on in here? Posturing, lying, stupidity, denial, and one really drunk guy that thinks another guy has a pretty bitchin rifle. SUP?! Nada. Mind if I join? That is a bitchin rifle if I may say so myself! 
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Posted: 6/27/2015 7:59:47 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/45%20Enfield/NCM_0090_zpsvl3cyws7.jpg</a> Now that bitch'in......I think |
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