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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:17:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:21:06 PM EDT
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My uncle thought the show was funny and he was shot down over Germany. He spent a year in a Stalag.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:25:27 PM EDT
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Whoever said Blazing Saddles couldn't be made in this day and age was right. This thread is a great example of why. Mel Brooks has said that along with many others. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:28:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: The show ran from 1965 to 1971, when PLENTY of guys who had actually been in Nazi prison camps were still very much around.  My mother, who had lived thru WWII, would never let us watch it, b/c she said given the horrible things the Nazis had done, she didn't think it was very appropriate to laugh about it. A bit in the Wiki link shows she's not the only one:TV Guide in 2002 named Hogan's Heroes the fifth worst TV show of all time. The listing for Hogan's Heroes in particular accuses the show of trivializing the suffering of real life POWs and the victims of the Holocaust with its comedic take on prison camps in the Third Reich.[63] and Mad magazine #108 (January 1967) parodied the show as "Hokum's Heroes". An additional one-page parody called "Hochman's Heroes" took the show's premise to the next level by setting it in Buchenwald concentration camp. Now, I grant you, the show is funny, and I enjoy it... FOR AN ADULT THAT KNOWS BETTER!!! Serially, what the fuck LSD-addled TV exec pulled this nightmare out of his ass, in the late 60's no less, a mere 20 years after the war had ended??? Maybe they should have topped it off with some show about loveable, adorable child molesters doin' their thing????wadda think of this? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:30:35 PM EDT
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Not sure if serious..... or just butt hurt. My grandpa who is a Korean War vet would beg to differ, he loves the show. He refers to it as his show or the show about his war. When he meets vets like the one Clint Eastwood played in gran torino he says those guys need leave the war over in the country where it was fought and learn to laugh about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you look long and hard at the M*A*S*H tv series it is just as bad. 1. 99% of the career officers were portrayed as blood thirsty and/or idiotic 2. Most of the career enlisted were portrayed as idiots 3. The N. Korean and Chinese soldiers were shown as decent people who would give aid to the enemy. Insulting to those that proudly served in the military and during Korea. Glosses over the atrocities committed by the enemy. Not sure if serious..... or just butt hurt. My grandpa who is a Korean War vet would beg to differ, he loves the show. He refers to it as his show or the show about his war. When he meets vets like the one Clint Eastwood played in gran torino he says those guys need leave the war over in the country where it was fought and learn to laugh about it. +1 MASH walked the line of making the point war is hell, while doing so with a sense of humor. My dad loved the show, was in Vietnam, and as far from the left as you can get. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:37:27 PM EDT
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Whoever said Blazing Saddles couldn't be made in this day and age was right. This thread is a great example of why. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:39:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess people back then just wanted a laugh instead of sitting around organizing their "victim status" collections  |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 MASH walked the line of making the point war is hell, while doing so with a sense of humor. My dad loved the show, was in Vietnam, and as far from the left as you can get. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you look long and hard at the M*A*S*H tv series it is just as bad. 1. 99% of the career officers were portrayed as blood thirsty and/or idiotic 2. Most of the career enlisted were portrayed as idiots 3. The N. Korean and Chinese soldiers were shown as decent people who would give aid to the enemy. Insulting to those that proudly served in the military and during Korea. Glosses over the atrocities committed by the enemy. Not sure if serious..... or just butt hurt. My grandpa who is a Korean War vet would beg to differ, he loves the show. He refers to it as his show or the show about his war. When he meets vets like the one Clint Eastwood played in gran torino he says those guys need leave the war over in the country where it was fought and learn to laugh about it. +1 MASH walked the line of making the point war is hell, while doing so with a sense of humor. My dad loved the show, was in Vietnam, and as far from the left as you can get. Just trying to point out that if a person wants to over think it, there are many shows (ie MASH) that can be seen in a negative light. People today try to read more into something then there really is, Hogan was a sitcom, MASH was a sitcom with a dramatic bent. Yet there are those that want to nit pick the morality of protraying this or that. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou have triggered my microagressions!!!111!!!  How dare you make fun of our Native-American, ochre-hued, white-anglo-male-victimized bretheren!!!111!!!111!!!
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:45:46 PM EDT
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+1 MASH walked the line of making the point war is hell, while doing so with a sense of humor. My dad loved the show, was in Vietnam, and as far from the left as you can get. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you look long and hard at the M*A*S*H tv series it is just as bad. 1. 99% of the career officers were portrayed as blood thirsty and/or idiotic 2. Most of the career enlisted were portrayed as idiots 3. The N. Korean and Chinese soldiers were shown as decent people who would give aid to the enemy. Insulting to those that proudly served in the military and during Korea. Glosses over the atrocities committed by the enemy. Not sure if serious..... or just butt hurt. My grandpa who is a Korean War vet would beg to differ, he loves the show. He refers to it as his show or the show about his war. When he meets vets like the one Clint Eastwood played in gran torino he says those guys need leave the war over in the country where it was fought and learn to laugh about it. +1 MASH walked the line of making the point war is hell, while doing so with a sense of humor. My dad loved the show, was in Vietnam, and as far from the left as you can get. That was the point. The propaganda was ignored but it still changed attitudes, especially in the young. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:45:54 PM EDT
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I could be wrong, but I think the Wehrmacht ran the POW camps, not the German air force. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Luftwaffe prison camps, while not fun, were not at all the same as concentration camps.
I could be wrong, but I think the Wehrmacht ran the POW camps, not the German air force. You are wrong. Luftwaffe ran prison camps for captured airmen. Hence the camp names being Stalag Luft 12 etc. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:48:02 PM EDT
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Can't stand that show!!
If it comes on I can't pull myself away from the TV . Hate when I scroll the channels on my day off and see it. Can't get nothing done. Have to watch at least 4 episodes before I get off the couch . 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:49:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:50:27 PM EDT
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Op runs out of stuff to be butt hurt about so he resorts to 60's sitcom.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:53:28 PM EDT
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I liked it. IIRC, Bob Crane was a drummer and played the opening music score.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:54:17 PM EDT
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WTF F-troop is age restricted for mature content
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:05:53 PM EDT
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A little-known fact is that John Banner (Sgt. Shultz) used an American Krag rifle on the show. He was a big guy and I suppose a Mauser K98 would have looked small on him.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:12:57 PM EDT
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I thought the show was great
Hub Zemke's book was interesting, they had hidden radios, like the TV show... 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:16:11 PM EDT
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Made about the same time as The Producers, IIRC.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:18:41 PM EDT
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Werner Klemperer's father was Otto Klemperer, a famous musical conductor.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:24:38 PM EDT
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If it hasn't been said yet, relax Francis.
I always heard people didn't like it because it made fun of Germans and was insensitive. Now you have a problem because they made a sitcom about a pow camp? Also, the Luftwaffe ran the pow camps. Yes they are still prison camps, but Luftwaffe were not nazis, so get your history straight. Finally, a number of the actors were Jewish and one, I believe it was the French guy, was actually in a concentration camp. I thoughts 'twas funny as hell as a kid. Did you also not watch the great escape or stalag 17? I was a kid in the 90s watching reruns before church on Sunday's and could see it for what it was, a good hearted show about American GIs, that made fun of Germans |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:27:02 PM EDT
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Years ago, a guy I know was in pretty bad car accident. As he was getting out of the wreck, a passer-by came over, guided him to the side of the road and sat him down.
My friend looked up at the guy to say thanks, saw who it was and blurted out, "Hey, you're Colonel Klink." And indeed, it was Werner Klemperer. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:38:03 PM EDT
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Years ago, a guy I know was in pretty bad car accident. As he was getting out of the wreck, a passer-by came over, guided him to the side of the road and sat him down. My friend looked up at the guy to say thanks, saw who it was and blurted out, "Hey, you're Colonel Klink." And indeed, it was Werner Klemperer. That would be cool. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:38:51 PM EDT
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They had their own for allied air crew Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Luftwaffe prison camps, while not fun, were not at all the same as concentration camps.
I could be wrong, but I think the Wehrmacht ran the POW camps, not the German air force. They had their own for allied air crew Göring supposedly ordered proper treatment for the Allied prisoners after they caught him in an inspection and complained. His rationale was that poor treatment of them would justify poor treatment of German prisoners by the Allies. OP, Stalag 17 was a Broadway comedy that won a Tony for best director. The film version cost 1.6 million dollars and grossed ten million. William Holden got an Oscar for best actor. Playwright Edmund Trzcinski was a prisoner in Germany. Another of the writers for the film was also a prisoner in Germany - Donald Bevan. full movie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKc2GJk2OLQ |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:39:42 PM EDT
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That would be cool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Years ago, a guy I know was in pretty bad car accident. As he was getting out of the wreck, a passer-by came over, guided him to the side of the road and sat him down. My friend looked up at the guy to say thanks, saw who it was and blurted out, "Hey, you're Colonel Klink." And indeed, it was Werner Klemperer. That would be cool. Always thought it was one of the better "How I Met A Celebrity" stories. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:40:34 PM EDT
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I think it was a product of the times. Rebel against "the man" and show them to be silly.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I liked it. IIRC, Bob Crane was a drummer and played the opening music score. Never rub another man's rhubarb |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:44:16 PM EDT
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Luftwaffe prison camps, while not fun, were not at all the same as concentration camps. Concur. Still, our guys were underfed. Better to be in a Luftstalag than another PoW camp. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:47:03 PM EDT
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Just trying to point out that if a person wants to over think it, there are many shows (ie MASH) that can be seen in a negative light. People today try to read more into something then there really is, Hogan was a sitcom, MASH was a sitcom with a dramatic bent. Yet there are those that want to nit pick the morality of protraying this or that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you look long and hard at the M*A*S*H tv series it is just as bad. 1. 99% of the career officers were portrayed as blood thirsty and/or idiotic 2. Most of the career enlisted were portrayed as idiots 3. The N. Korean and Chinese soldiers were shown as decent people who would give aid to the enemy. Insulting to those that proudly served in the military and during Korea. Glosses over the atrocities committed by the enemy. Not sure if serious..... or just butt hurt. My grandpa who is a Korean War vet would beg to differ, he loves the show. He refers to it as his show or the show about his war. When he meets vets like the one Clint Eastwood played in gran torino he says those guys need leave the war over in the country where it was fought and learn to laugh about it. +1 MASH walked the line of making the point war is hell, while doing so with a sense of humor. My dad loved the show, was in Vietnam, and as far from the left as you can get. Just trying to point out that if a person wants to over think it, there are many shows (ie MASH) that can be seen in a negative light. People today try to read more into something then there really is, Hogan was a sitcom, MASH was a sitcom with a dramatic bent. Yet there are those that want to nit pick the morality of protraying this or that. Fair point. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:48:18 PM EDT
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The show ran from 1965 to 1971, when PLENTY of guys who had actually been in Nazi prison camps were still very much around. My mother, who had lived thru WWII, would never let us watch it, b/c she said given the horrible things the Nazis had done, she didn't think it was very appropriate to laugh about it. A bit in the Wiki link shows she's not the only one:
TV Guide in 2002 named Hogan's Heroes the fifth worst TV show of all time. The listing for Hogan's Heroes in particular accuses the show of trivializing the suffering of real life POWs and the victims of the Holocaust with its comedic take on prison camps in the Third Reich.[63] and Mad magazine #108 (January 1967) parodied the show as "Hokum's Heroes". An additional one-page parody called "Hochman's Heroes" took the show's premise to the next level by setting it in Buchenwald concentration camp.
Now, I grant you, the show is funny, and I enjoy it... FOR AN ADULT THAT KNOWS BETTER!!! Serially, what the fuck LSD-addled TV exec pulled this nightmare out of his ass, in the late 60's no less, a mere 20 years after the war had ended??? Maybe they should have topped it off with some show about loveable, adorable child molesters doin' their thing????
More proof 13ers are skirt wearing sissies. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:49:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Luftwaffe prison camps, while not fun, were not at all the same as concentration camps. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And many were Jewish. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some of the cast had been interned. You would think if they had had any objections as former POWs they wouldn't have been on the show And many were Jewish. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:57:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Col. Klinck, Sgt Schultz, even Hoffsthetter. All JEWISH. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of the cast had been interned. You would think if they had had any objections as former POWs they wouldn't have been on the show And many were Jewish. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:57:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^ This, Being stranded on an island isn't fun either, or having a car for a mom.  This thread is prime evidence that people just have to find something they can profess being butt-hurt over. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:07:52 PM EDT
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Had the op watched an episode yet?
Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:08:38 PM EDT
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I liked Hogan's heroes as a kid!
And just the other day caught a rerun! Still funny all these years later. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:00:04 PM EDT
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Torah Torah Torah, Patton, Midway, I saw all of those, in the theater, first run. I know that I have left some out.. Did Mel Brooks direct "Torah,Torah,Torah"? 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:03:08 PM EDT
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guys, OP is a 13'er if you hadn't noticed.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:09:28 PM EDT
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Hogan's Heros was loosely based off the movie "Stalag 17".
If it was such a horrible show and everyone was butthurt, why did they keep making it for 6 years? Answer, because most people weren't butthurt about it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:30:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hogan's Heros was loosely based off the movie "Stalag 17". If it was such a horrible show and everyone was butthurt, why did they keep making it for 6 years? Answer, because most people weren't butthurt about it. Length of runtime is not really an indicator of butthurt. But I do believe Hogan's was widely accepted. Married With Children ran for 11 years. It led to great amounts of butthurt from day one and was highly controversial and upsetting to a non-ignorable segment of the population. Lost advertisers, boycotts, even had an episode pulled. If you watch that episode today you wouldn't even blink an eye. N.Y.P.D Blue was so successfully boycotted that in some markets, the first season was aired on FOX. Full page protest ads across the US. The show led to the creation of the Parents Television Council who was eventually able to lobby for massive FCC fines that had to go all the way to SCOTUS to get overturned. 12 seasons. I remember the fundies going absolutely apeshit and literally frothing at the mouth from rage. I watched it with my mom every week. The only problem I had with the show is sometime around season 4 it started really sucking a donkey dick. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:58:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Col. Klinck, Sgt Schultz, even Hoffsthetter. All JEWISH. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of the cast had been interned. You would think if they had had any objections as former POWs they wouldn't have been on the show And many were Jewish. And the point was to mock the Nazis. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:05:44 AM EDT
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OP needs to take television entertainment for what it is and nothing more.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:11:37 AM EDT
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Who knew Arfcom is riddled with PC butt hurt?
I saw almost every episode in reruns, every day after school at 4:30, while eating a bowl of cornflakes. My story: I actually had lunch with Col. Klink, Werner Klemperer. He was (is?) the son of the great conductor Otto Klemperer. He came to Atlanta to narrate a production of Beethoven's incidental music to Egmont with the Atlanta Symphony, 1991 or so. He was a terrific guy, interesting, intelligent, sincere. Bob Crane, on the other hand, apparently had serious personal issues. That's how you get your brains blown out in bed by a jealous husband. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:12:38 AM EDT
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I'll just leave this here for the OP.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:13:32 AM EDT
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The show makes fun of the Germans
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:17:38 AM EDT
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Here's a good one: The show was dubbed into German and played over here.
My German friends say they don't quite get what's funny about it; hmm. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:19:24 AM EDT
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The entire fucking point of the show is not about the conditions of the prison camp, its about making the nazis look like complete dumb fucks while the Americans were so much smarter. I can't stand the PC crowd anymore. Take a damn joke people. It's not a documentary it's a comedy. Nothing about it was meant to depict what the actual war was like...People are freaking retarded.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:21:34 AM EDT
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OP, never watch Blazing Saddles (not the cut to shit TV version). Your delicate sensibilities could not handle it. I have, AND LIKE, the movie: that was not broadcast TV. That is the difference. Hell, I thot Caligula was a good movie; that doesn't mean I'd want it broadcast in primetime. lol. IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN. Why you butt hurt? The man who played the General with the scar got that scar escaping the Nazis. The actor who played Lebaue was in the French Resistance. If they didn't care you are like a liberal complaining about stare rape if it bothers you. Get over it. I bet your a blast in person. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:24:34 AM EDT
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Lighten up Francis. ETA: Or... per-haps vee can find you a nice warm posting on zee Eastern Front! 
"Klink you idiot." |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:29:18 AM EDT
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about 3% of American prisoners died in German captivity
about 35% of American prisoners held by the Japanese died in captivity |
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