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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:02:24 PM EDT
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Does this skirt some kind of legislation? Like something about unmarked cars not being able to do traffic enforcement or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Does this skirt some kind of legislation? Like something about unmarked cars not being able to do traffic enforcement or something? Depends on your state's laws. For instance, in Ohio, a police officer who is in an unmarked vehicle is incompetent to testify in a traffic case. 4549.13 Marking and equipment for motor vehicle used by traffic enforcement officers.
Any motor vehicle used by a member of the state highway patrol or by any other peace officer, while said officer is on duty for the exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, shall be marked in some distinctive manner or color and shall be equipped with, but need not necessarily have in operation at all times, at least one flashing, oscillating, or rotating colored light mounted outside on top of the vehicle. The superintendent of the state highway patrol shall specify what constitutes such a distinctive marking or color for the state highway patrol. 4549.14 Incompetency of officer as witness. Any officer arresting, or participating or assisting in the arrest of, a person charged with violating the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, such officer being on duty exclusively or for the main purpose of enforcing such laws, is incompetent to testify as a witness in any prosecution against such arrested person if such officer at the time of the arrest was using a motor vehicle not marked in accordance with section 4549.13 of the Revised Code. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:02:29 PM EDT
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A light bar on the roof lets people know without question that the car behind them is actually a police car. Inside headliner bars are not suitable substitutes. Furthermore I question the total cost of ownership since a roof mounted lightbar can be put on a new body style with a couple of cheap brackets while headliner bars are much more specific to a body style limiting their ability to be reused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cars doing traffic stops should at the very least have a full size light bar on the roof.  Not worth the cost anymore. A light bar on the roof lets people know without question that the car behind them is actually a police car. Inside headliner bars are not suitable substitutes. Furthermore I question the total cost of ownership since a roof mounted lightbar can be put on a new body style with a couple of cheap brackets while headliner bars are much more specific to a body style limiting their ability to be reused. Without a question? Try at night. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:02:54 PM EDT
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I take it you've never been to Hawaii. Some patrol vehicles are personally owned by the officer. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. I take it you've never been to Hawaii. Some patrol vehicles are personally owned by the officer. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Never been. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:04:19 PM EDT
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Without a question? Try at night.
Yup. And for value our local PD still has several cars with full height MX7000s on them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I preferred the overly marked car when I was in traffic even though we had an unmarked we could use. The unmarked had a crappy light system in it and no one ever got out of your way. Got just as many tickets as the guys in the unmarked. http://i.imgur.com/eIM2NoO.png |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:05:15 PM EDT
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No tinted front windows for the peasantry! ^^ This The window tint on that car is illegal. NJ law states no tint is allowed on the windshield or front side windows. If the NJSP put that vehicle on the road, it should receive a citation every time it rolls onto a public roadway. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:05:26 PM EDT
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Yup. And for value our local PD still has several cars with full height MX7000s on them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without a question? Try at night.
Yup. And for value our local PD still has several cars with full height MX7000s on them. "Yup" ? You won't be able to tell the difference between an internal light bar at night and an exterior unless you are very familiar with police cars. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:05:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your bias is entertaining . Please keep going. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Revenue has to be generated somehow . You have no idea what you're talking about. Regurgitating shit you've heard on the internet does not make you smart. Lol @ your butthurt. You really need to get your own material. Again with the internet puke. Your bias is entertaining . Please keep going.  Juvenile bullshit on the Internet is very entertaining. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:05:36 PM EDT
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I rode around in a marked car with a buddy a couple of times ages ago. Even with the big old style lights he had no problems writing tickets. He could have written tickets as fast as he could pull people over at 10 mph if he wanted to crank out however many tickets you can write per hour. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I preferred the overly marked car when I was in traffic even though we had an unmarked we could use. The unmarked had a crappy light system in it and no one ever got out of your way. Got just as many tickets as the guys in the unmarked. http://i.imgur.com/eIM2NoO.png We used that car and had no problem getting people even with giving them 30 over. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:05:59 PM EDT
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^^ This The window tint on that car is illegal. NJ law states no tint is allowed on the windshield or front side windows. If the NJSP put that vehicle on the road, it should receive a citation every time it rolls onto a public roadway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No tinted front windows for the peasantry! ^^ This The window tint on that car is illegal. NJ law states no tint is allowed on the windshield or front side windows. If the NJSP put that vehicle on the road, it should receive a citation every time it rolls onto a public roadway. Police cars have an exemption to the tinted window laws. Some animals and all that jazz. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:07:07 PM EDT
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Police cars have an exemption to the tinted window laws. Some animals and all that jazz. The only thing better than having a standard is to have two of them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:07:53 PM EDT
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Some states prohibit traffic-stops with unmarked vehicles, due to whackers putting stealth strobes in their POVs and doing traffic stops on people.
If you do a stop with an unmarked, I don't think it's unreasonable to restrict the officer from charging a person for fleeing if they decline to stop before they verify with a cell-phone call (or wait for a marked unit to show up). On the other hand, if they haul ass and lead the unmarked cruiser on a 100mph chase, then yeah... burn them with the fleeing charge. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:08:25 PM EDT
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"Yup" ? You won't be able to tell the difference between an internal light bar at night and an exterior unless you are very familiar with police cars. It's not that hard. And as folks have posted it's not like you can't find traffic offenses so why, other than they are tacticool, the need to change? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:08:55 PM EDT
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Police cars have an exemption to the tinted window laws. Some animals and all that jazz. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No tinted front windows for the peasantry! ^^ This The window tint on that car is illegal. NJ law states no tint is allowed on the windshield or front side windows. If the NJSP put that vehicle on the road, it should receive a citation every time it rolls onto a public roadway. Police cars have an exemption to the tinted window laws. Some animals and all that jazz. It's a major giveaway, almost as bad as the alley lights. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:10:47 PM EDT
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A light bar on the roof lets people know without question that the car behind them is actually a police car. Inside headliner bars are not suitable substitutes. Furthermore I question the total cost of ownership since a roof mounted lightbar can be put on a new body style with a couple of cheap brackets while headliner bars are much more specific to a body style limiting their ability to be reused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cars doing traffic stops should at the very least have a full size light bar on the roof. Not worth the cost anymore. A light bar on the roof lets people know without question that the car behind them is actually a police car. Inside headliner bars are not suitable substitutes. Furthermore I question the total cost of ownership since a roof mounted lightbar can be put on a new body style with a couple of cheap brackets while headliner bars are much more specific to a body style limiting their ability to be reused. They did away with lightbars on the last vehicles we bought. iirc they get put three times the amount of strobes on the vehicle for what a lightbar costs. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:11:17 PM EDT
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The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. Washington state has a beige Volvo wagon. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:11:56 PM EDT
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Juvenile bullshit on the Internet is very entertaining. When my tax dollars are being taken from me to pay for shit like this il speak my mind as much as I want. Deal with it 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:13:17 PM EDT
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Not impressed.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:13:17 PM EDT
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I am not a fan of unmarked traffic squads. I don't like these either. The whole purpose is to have visibility so people obey traffic laws without having to stop them. The idea of using unmarked or "low profile" cars to enforce traffic is just counter productive. But that's my opinion and I'm not the decider. But I won't drive one. Oh it's very productive..........in bringing in revenue |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:13:40 PM EDT
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It's not that hard. And as folks have posted it's not like you can't find traffic offenses so why, other than they are tacticool, the need to change? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Yup" ? You won't be able to tell the difference between an internal light bar at night and an exterior unless you are very familiar with police cars. It's not that hard. And as folks have posted it's not like you can't find traffic offenses so why, other than they are tacticool, the need to change? You obviously haven't dealt with people on MV stops.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:15:42 PM EDT
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I was doing 10 over on the local freeway a while back. Some asshole pulls up next to me, looks over.. and then pulls up a cardboard sign with SHERIFF on it.
It took me a second, and then I started to laugh at him and be on my merry way. At least the unmarked has lights on them somewhere. A cardboard sign won't cut it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:16:32 PM EDT
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Awesome!
Next time me and my 1% buddies at the Exotic Car Club need an escort down the AC Expressway can we request a Ghost Car? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:16:58 PM EDT
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. The Port Authority dressed a black officer up in a Rasta wig and had him drive a shitty old tool truck back and forth on the George Washington Bridge. That one produced all kinds of comical and predictable results. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:17:41 PM EDT
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The Port Authority dressed a black officer up in a Rasta wig and had him drive a shitty old tool truck back and forth on the George Washington Bridge. That one produced all kinds of comical and predictable results. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. The Port Authority dressed a black officer up in a Rasta wig and had him drive a shitty old tool truck back and forth on the George Washington Bridge. That one produced all kinds of comical and predictable results. "Suspicious Person" calls? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When my tax dollars are being taken from me to pay for shit like this il speak my mind as much as I want. Deal with it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Juvenile bullshit on the Internet is very entertaining. When my tax dollars are being taken from me to pay for shit like this il speak my mind as much as I want. Deal with it But don't cry about someone else's bias if you don't want to get called on yours. It's a two way street even if you are incapable of seeing your own.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:18:32 PM EDT
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Our municipal police use city buses to catch tailgaters and school buses to nail alternate side traffic not stopping at bus stops.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:18:58 PM EDT
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When my tax dollars are being taken from me to pay for shit like this il speak my mind as much as I want. Deal with it
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Juvenile bullshit on the Internet is very entertaining. When my tax dollars are being taken from me to pay for shit like this il speak my mind as much as I want. Deal with it
They use IL tax dollars to buy NJSP cars? Holy cow!  No wonder you're pissed.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:20:03 PM EDT
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Pickup trucks are not uncommon around here. Generally they are used for DOT inspections but they also do regular traffic enforcement at times. I have seen a white Subaru Forster in the Harrisonburg VA area |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:22:06 PM EDT
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Another reason to avoid NJ.
I know other states have unmarked cars....but extra fucks to NJ. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:22:35 PM EDT
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AL State Troopers use to have an unmarked Lexus sedan they used around Montgomery/Prattville. First time I saw it the driver was crossing the median and I had already seen a half dozen marked Trooper cars and I thought he is about to get busted then the blue lights came on. I Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. Spokane has mustangs Colfax has a subaru Beat that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile AL State Troopers use to have an unmarked Lexus sedan they used around Montgomery/Prattville. First time I saw it the driver was crossing the median and I had already seen a half dozen marked Trooper cars and I thought he is about to get busted then the blue lights came on. I Alabama also has a state patrol V-6 nothing special Mustang about 7 years old not even current body style. Driven by Trooper Law . we met on 65 south
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:22:44 PM EDT
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GSP has quite a few of them...........people dont pay attention to them much because they are looking for lightbars and badges, but if you pay attention they stick out like a sore thumb
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A department near here has some stealth cars. I predict those will be citation issuing machines. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:23:17 PM EDT
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Another reason to avoid NJ. I know other states have unmarked cars....but extra fucks to NJ. Stay out, we don't want you anyway.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:24:12 PM EDT
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. We've got lots of fake state police cars, too. It's funny to see people damn near lock up the brakes when they see them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:25:16 PM EDT
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A local PD around here once seized a BMW from a drug dealer. They promptly had it painted up like a regular patrol car and slapped a light bar on it. I think the. DARE cops drove it around. The did the same thing with one of those Excalliber kit cars as well.
Another local PD has a blacked out Mustang GT. It even had ground effect lights in red and blue. Its pretty sweet looking and it prowls on the Chesapeake Expressway looking for speeding yankees on their way to and from the Outer Banks.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:26:07 PM EDT
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We've got lots of fake state police cars, too. It's funny to see people damn near lock up the brakes when they see them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between Virginia and Maryland I have seen everything from a moped to a garbage truck used this way. The south has the monopoly on weird patrol cars. We've got lots of fake state police cars, too. It's funny to see people damn near lock up the brakes when they see them. I have never seen so many State Police on an interstate until the day I drove 81 to Virginia Tech a few years ago. I can go a whole week without seeing a NJSP trooper on any our of highways... but VA seems to have them in a large supply.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:27:26 PM EDT
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A local PD around here once seized a BMW from a drug dealer. They promptly had it painted up like a regular patrol car and slapped a light bar on it. I think the. DARE cops drove it around. The did the same thing with one of those Excalliber kit cars as well. My department did that back in the '90s when they seized some street racer's cars. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:32:12 PM EDT
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My department did that back in the '90s when they seized some street racer's cars. http://i.imgur.com/VwrMxSu.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A local PD around here once seized a BMW from a drug dealer. They promptly had it painted up like a regular patrol car and slapped a light bar on it. I think the. DARE cops drove it around. The did the same thing with one of those Excalliber kit cars as well. My department did that back in the '90s when they seized some street racer's cars. http://i.imgur.com/VwrMxSu.jpg Three-spoke wheels, holy flashback -- I spent most of the summer of... shit, maybe '91 and '92 installing those things on every beater that could roll into the shop and qualify for financing. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:35:30 PM EDT
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One of the more clever tools I have seen, is a WSP, unmarked, beater 2002'ish Suburban.
They will park it on the I-90 shoulder with the hazard lights on and the hood popped. The tricky part is: There is a trooper in the cargo area of the truck with a LiDAR gun pointed out the back. They park the chase car on the next exit. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:35:33 PM EDT
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A local PD around here once seized a BMW from a drug dealer. They promptly had it painted up like a regular patrol car and slapped a light bar on it. I think the. DARE cops drove it around. The did the same thing with one of those Excalliber kit cars as well. My department did that back in the '90s when they seized some street racer's cars. http://i.imgur.com/VwrMxSu.jpg A local PD seized one of those years ago from a drug dealer. All the extras under the hood and a mother of pearl paintjob. I saw (and heard) him coming up alongside but missed the miniature lightbar they'd put on it. Downshifted, got on the gas, got my exhaust note up because goddamn no fuckin pimpdick mustang's gettin past me... He flashed the overheads for a sec, pulled alongside and gave me the "tsk tsk" finger wag.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:37:28 PM EDT
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One problem that all police agencies seem to encounter is that it is difficult to objectively quantify "deterrence." How can something be measured if it doesn't happen? However, I think most people can agree that there is a certain segment of the motoring public who are only dissuaded from driving recklessly and/or aggressively by the probability of citation/arrest. The use of unmarked vehicles makes it more difficult to determine whether or not police are actively working traffic enforcement in an area, thus serving as a force multiplier. When someone who might otherwise act foolishly cannot make an easy determination of the possible negative outcome, they may refrain and this may increase public safety.
Of course, it probably doesn't hurt that traffic violations generate revenue and the cars are basically paid for by that money. For the record, I feel that there is an argument to be made for the negative impact to public safety already cited in that they allow easy impersonation of official vehicles. I just think that the issue is not as black and white as GD would seemingly like to paint it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:38:28 PM EDT
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One problem that all police agencies seem to encounter is that it is difficult to objectively quantify "deterrence." How can something be measured if it doesn't happen? However, I think most people can agree that there is a certain segment of the motoring public who are only dissuaded from driving recklessly and/or aggressively by the probability of citation/arrest. The use of unmarked vehicles makes it more difficult to determine whether or not police are actively working traffic enforcement in an area, thus serving as a force multiplier. When someone who might otherwise act foolishly cannot make an easy determination of the possible negative outcome, they may refrain and this may increase public safety. Of course, it probably doesn't hurt that traffic violations generate revenue and the cars are basically paid for by that money. For the record, I feel that there is an argument to be made for the negative impact to public safety already cited in that they allow easy impersonation of official vehicles. I just think that the issue is not as black and white as GD would seemingly like to paint it. Most things aren't.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the more clever tools I have seen, is a WSP, unmarked, beater 2002'ish Suburban. They will park it on the I-90 shoulder with the hazard lights on and the hood popped. The tricky part is: There is a trooper in the cargo area of the truck with a LiDAR gun pointed out the back. They park the chase car on the next exit. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:42:11 PM EDT
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How are you supposed to know they are a cop, and not just some asshole with cop lights he bought off of some police supply company? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:43:36 PM EDT
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How are you supposed to know they are a cop, and not just some asshole with cop lights he bought off of some police supply company? How can you tell if its a cop stopping you at night? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:46:22 PM EDT
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How are you supposed to know they are a cop, and not just some asshole with cop lights he bought off of some police supply company? Just make sure the guy who gets out is wearing camo and cargo pockets of oppression. Then you'll know. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:50:59 PM EDT
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How are you supposed to know they are a cop, and not just some asshole with cop lights he bought off of some police supply company? Quiz them on the Bill of Rights -- if they know anything about it then you know they are an imposter. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:51:33 PM EDT
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No problem for me.
I drive the speed limit. I also never travel through New Jersey. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:53:56 PM EDT
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Revenue generators are gonna generate
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:57:23 PM EDT
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I am not a fan of unmarked traffic squads. I don't like these either. The whole purpose is to have visibility so people obey traffic laws without having to stop them. The idea of using unmarked or "low profile" cars to enforce traffic is just counter productive. But that's my opinion and I'm not the decider. But I won't drive one. Stealth traffic enforcement shows that it really is about the revenue. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:57:58 PM EDT
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They're using a couple of new unmarked cars on the I-5 stretch between Seattle and Everett the last couple of days. One is a BRIGHT red compact sedan of some kind. It's hard to miss seeing it, but it doesn't scream "cop car" unless you're behind it and see the porcupine trunk lid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One of the more clever tools I have seen, is a WSP, unmarked, beater 2002'ish Suburban. They will park it on the I-90 shoulder with the hazard lights on and the hood popped. The tricky part is: There is a trooper in the cargo area of the truck with a LiDAR gun pointed out the back. They park the chase car on the next exit. That is where I got my last ticket, about 5 years ago... good to know
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