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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:23:26 PM EDT
Boom.
Things are getting exciting, USA leading the way. 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:25:53 PM EDT
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So we're going back to non-NATO standard ammunition then?
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:26:45 PM EDT
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So we're going back to non-NATO standard ammunition then? News to me. Well be adopting non NATO standard cartridges that only work in LSAT rifles...so why not? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:28:28 PM EDT
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I think some people don't understand how NATO logistics works.
The U.S. tells NATO what they will be shipping during the war and NATO decides of they want that or to buy their own logistical system. So far the choice has always been easy. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:28:57 PM EDT
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NATO is still relevant?
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:31:17 PM EDT
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Going to a 6.5 (or any different) chambering of traditional metallic cartridge for our next rifle/SAW/whatever is dumb.
Going to a 6.5 projectile in LSAT-shooting stuff makes a ton of sense. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:32:27 PM EDT
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Clicked on title expecting to see a thread about going to law school. Went away disappointed
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:32:52 PM EDT
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Can I use that to get into law school?
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:33:30 PM EDT
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NATO is still relevant? Of course, see how well they prevented Puti............... oh |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:34:35 PM EDT
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Can I use that to get into law school? Probably but the SWAT team won't let you leave. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:37:01 PM EDT
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Edited thread title.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:37:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:39:25 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic
Lack of knowledge on what the fuck cased telescoped rounds solved |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:40:47 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:44:17 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic ... You mean the standard 5.56 projectile used in current rifles? That projectile? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:45:17 PM EDT
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I'd like more info on the 6.5 version.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:46:13 PM EDT
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By the way, we won't be allowed to buy any of this for 20 years at least.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:46:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:47:03 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic http://www.badcontroller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/joker_notsureifserious.jpg No, I guess I'm confused by what the fuck is in her right hand 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:48:35 PM EDT
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From what little I can find about the LSAT online, I think it has the potential to be a damn fine weapon.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:50:53 PM EDT
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From what little I can find about the LSAT online, I think it has the potential to be a damn fine weapon. We have at least one poster here (name escapes me) who has been involved in the testing and he says it's fucking awesome. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:51:12 PM EDT
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Good, neck a 6.8 spc down to 6.5mm and call it a day. Just make the bolt stronger and it is GTG.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:52:06 PM EDT
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I thought they were doing this in 6.7X41?
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:53:01 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic http://www.badcontroller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/joker_notsureifserious.jpg No, I guess I'm confused by what the fuck is in her right hand 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:55:19 PM EDT
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I'd like more info on the 6.5 version. It's in his right hand (bottom of pic). 
Cased Telescoped ammo. As for the rounds, program engineers designed new ones that are cased in a plastic-like substance, replacing the brass cartridges. This, she said, has resulted in a 39-percent reduction of ammo weight.
Read more here: http://www.thebayonet.com/2015/05/12/798651/new-light-machine-gun-m249-on.html#storylink=cpy 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:56:09 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic http://www.badcontroller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/joker_notsureifserious.jpg No, I guess I'm confused by what the fuck is in her right hand Polymer, cased telescopes, polymer linked, belt fed ammo. 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:56:34 PM EDT
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic http://www.badcontroller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/joker_notsureifserious.jpg No, I guess I'm confused by what the fuck is in her right hand https://whatthecrap.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/captsgekwe52140807225824photo04photodefault-512x369.jpg That's interesting. 
Suddenly this shit makes way more sense... |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:56:39 PM EDT
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I thought they were doing this in 6.7X41? The what now? 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:57:42 PM EDT
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There is a guy on here who tests them. I'll wait for his confirmation before buying the 6.5mm business. I don't buy it myself. Even if they adapt a new cartridge, the projectile is still standardized and switching will cost a lot of money for questionable gain.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 4:58:33 PM EDT
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Good, neck a 6.8 spc down to 6.5mm and call it a day. Just make the bolt stronger and it is GTG. LSAT is a new case design. No necking down. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:00:13 PM EDT
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The gain isn't questionable at all. Particularly considering the potential to replace both the M249 and the M240.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:03:01 PM EDT
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The fai isn't questionable at all. Particularly considering the potential to replace both the M249 and the M240. Imagine one LMG and Carbine in 6.5mm. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:05:22 PM EDT
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I thought they were doing this in 6.7X41? The what now? it was a joke 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:05:32 PM EDT
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Id like to see accuracy tests before I embraces telescoped carbine ammunition
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:06:25 PM EDT
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Id like to see accuracy tests before I embraces telescoped carbine ammunition 2moa is fine out to 800 yards 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:07:09 PM EDT
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In before Yama raja and LRRP
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:07:57 PM EDT
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Where is that portablegorrila or portabelagorilla guy...or whatever his name was.
As for accuracy, it should be fine. A good barrel with a good bullet will have good accuracy. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:09:12 PM EDT
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:11:40 PM EDT
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:12:12 PM EDT
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Id like to see accuracy tests before I embraces telescoped carbine ammunition IIRC, the biggest accuracy problem with previous polymer cased ammo came from inconsistent crimp. These cases look like they have a much, much larger "bearing surface" on the projectile than tradition ammo... getting a good consistent crimp should be much easier. Hell, between a better potential crimp, large leade, and a protected bullet, I don't see any reason why this stuff couldn't be made more accurate than what we have now. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:12:21 PM EDT
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I thought they were doing this in 6.7X41? The what now? it was a joke Ohhhhhhhh.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:15:54 PM EDT
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The cartridges in her left hand are crimped around the body (under the links). What's up with that? Easier to unlink?
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:16:53 PM EDT
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Going to a 6.5 (or any different) chambering of traditional metallic cartridge for our next rifle/SAW/whatever is dumb. Going to a 6.5 projectile in LSAT-shooting stuff makes a ton of sense. So we're doing the part in red then? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:18:42 PM EDT
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Damn it, I just bought another lower today.
Oh well. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say; I'll be fine building another AR15. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:19:18 PM EDT
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In before Yama raja and LRRP Right? 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:20:16 PM EDT
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The cases will have a plug in the end. This is just one evolutionary step behind caseless ammo |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:20:59 PM EDT
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So we're doing the part in red then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Going to a 6.5 (or any different) chambering of traditional metallic cartridge for our next rifle/SAW/whatever is dumb. Going to a 6.5 projectile in LSAT-shooting stuff makes a ton of sense. So we're doing the part in red then? It wouldn't surprise me. HK is going to develop our next service pistol, carbine, DMR, SAW, and GPMG. All chambered in .351WSL. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:23:54 PM EDT
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Does polymer cased have the potential to cost less than brass assuming proper economy of scale?
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:25:43 PM EDT
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Does polymer cased have the potential to cost less than brass assuming proper economy of scale? According to what was posted before, yes. Cases should cost like a penny once mass prduction starts so the overall cartridge should cost much less. However this is just what has been stated,so this is second hand. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:26:42 PM EDT
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Does polymer cased have the potential to cost less than brass assuming proper economy of scale? Apparently one of the engineers said that in serial production the cases cost $0.00083/ea. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:28:57 PM EDT
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So looking at the bottom right corner of the chart, is that the "carbine?"
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