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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:08:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit. Big difference from slavery. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:10:49 AM EDT
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I've been on salary since I was about 20 years old and I have NEVER had a salaried job like that. Never even met anyone who has. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only advantage salary has is that you know what you'll be making every week. Yeah. Working whenever you want, wherever you want, taking as much or as little time off as you need, not needing to clock in or out, no limit on lunch breaks or absences for personal things, etc. is way fucking overrated. Sometimes you pull shitty weeks. Other times you don't. Professional jobs that require work be done when it needs to be done are perfectly suited for salary. I've been on salary since I was about 20 years old and I have NEVER had a salaried job like that. Never even met anyone who has. I have had a few like that. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:20:32 AM EDT
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I'm salary but anything over 40 I get 1.5x comp time thanks to my union. In the RR industry I'm surprised the OP doesn't have representation.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:21:02 AM EDT
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Salaried here, I work a flat 37.5 hours a week
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:22:27 AM EDT
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That shit only exists in fairytales. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only advantage salary has is that you know what you'll be making every week. Yeah. Working whenever you want, wherever you want, taking as much or as little time off as you need, not needing to clock in or out, no limit on lunch breaks or absences for personal things, etc. is way fucking overrated. Sometimes you pull shitty weeks. Other times you don't. Professional jobs that require work be done when it needs to be done are perfectly suited for salary. That shit only exists in fairytales. Quoted:
I've been on salary since I was about 20 years old and I have NEVER had a salaried job like that. Never even met anyone who has. Find better employers. I just left a salaried position for another salaried position, and both are this way. This is common in the IT field, especially when you stick to companies that are <10yr old. First company was a networking engineer for a webhosting provider, the second is a network and logistics engineer for a cloud and cloud infrastructure consultancy. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:25:24 AM EDT
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I've been on salary since I was about 20 years old and I have NEVER had a salaried job like that. Never even met anyone who has. Hi. My name is Tim Miller. Nice to meet you. Now you have. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:25:27 AM EDT
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People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit. Sounds like you need to do a better job of "training" those people who call you at odd hours and expect you to work insane hours. I run my own shop now, so extra effort benefits me directly, but when I was an exempt salaried employee ... I just didn't take those calls or respond to e-mails late at night. Nothing I did was an emergency, they can wait. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:26:51 AM EDT
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That's why I stayed working with the tools in my trade. I was offered salaried/management positions running a crew of tradesmen and always declined. None of the guys I ever worked directly for were happy in those positions. 
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:31:58 AM EDT
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Then quit. Slaves can't quit...........oh wait. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:35:15 AM EDT
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I feel you, OP. I've been pulling 80-100 hours per week for the past 10 -12 months. Hoping it gets better and I get some help is why I hang on. I call this the "Golden Handcuffs". I need the money more than anything else in the equation.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:35:26 AM EDT
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No shit!
<---salaried government leech. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:36:58 AM EDT
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No, I like like not having a supervisor anal-retentively checking my hours and getting freaked out if it's under 40 hours or freaking out if it's over 40 hours. If I want to leave early, it's no big deal as long as it's not a pattern and I meet deadlines. If I want to work on weekends on a complex problem because I know I'll be more productive without being emailed and phoned constantly, it's ok. Except for 1 month out of the year, I still work around 40 hours a week. I've been thinking of making Thursday and Friday my weekend, just because I am so much more productive when I am not distracted by emails and phone calls. If I turn off my phone and email during the work week, I risk not answering my bosses and pissing them off if I don't respond. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only advantage salary has is that you know what you'll be making every week. If I want to leave early, it's no big deal as long as it's not a pattern and I meet deadlines. If I want to work on weekends on a complex problem because I know I'll be more productive without being emailed and phoned constantly, it's ok. Except for 1 month out of the year, I still work around 40 hours a week. I've been thinking of making Thursday and Friday my weekend, just because I am so much more productive when I am not distracted by emails and phone calls. If I turn off my phone and email during the work week, I risk not answering my bosses and pissing them off if I don't respond. I am required to account for my time to 6 min intervals. We use a business quarter system where I must have 520 hours per quarter. I can take personal time off but must make up the time in the quarter, it can only be personal time not vacation, they won't let you use any banked hours adjacent to vacation. They implemented this when they got rid of your paid personal leave. Salary doesn't mean you can work less hours, it means you can't be paid for working more hours. Salary for me just means no overtime. Before when I was hourly I had flex shift and could move my start and end times. No benefit to salary. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:38:02 AM EDT
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Insert the "You just don't get it" gif..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can walkaway. Hardly slavery
Insert the "You just don't get it" gif..... Indeed. You dod not appear to get it when it comes to just how horrific slavery is. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:38:07 AM EDT
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That's why I stayed working with the tools in my trade. I was offered salaried/management positions running a crew of tradesmen and always declined. None of the guys I ever worked directly for were happy in those positions. Construction? If so, then yes. Most of the time a salaried foreman or superintendent for a crew gets the shaft. I'm salaried and I don't complain about it. I supervise commercial/industrial construction projects and my work weeks range from 0-100 hours. I try to keep them closer to 0 though. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:41:46 AM EDT
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90 to 130. He went from milking 12 cows in holland when he was 18 to milking 14,000 now with no partners or family money. That takes work. I can catch him there almost every days early as 4 or as late at 10 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ive been on call 24/7 for my entire career while on salary. I knew that when i agreed to compensation bc im not a special fred. I take pride in being the workhorse that holds this company together. While everyone is gallivanting around the countryside i make things happen. Ive gotten everything that was agreed on and done everything i can to do my job. I never understood this 40 or 50 hour horseshit but i work in an industry where you would be terminated for working those hours. Ive had to part ways with several guys that refused to work our normal schedule. I had a new guy last year that commented that he was tired bc i had worked him 60 hours a week for 4 months ( we were slow) my customer looked at him like he was speaking arabic. The customer had no clue how working 60 hours and being tired would be tied together bc he had worked 90 to 130 hours a week for 35 years and he is never tired. 130 hours a week for 35 years? Ok....... 
 90 to 130. He went from milking 12 cows in holland when he was 18 to milking 14,000 now with no partners or family money. That takes work. I can catch him there almost every days early as 4 or as late at 10 I can believe it on a dairy farm, even with 40 cows. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 9:44:52 AM EDT
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Construction? If so, then yes. Most of the time a salaried foreman or superintendent for a crew gets the shaft. I'm salaried and I don't complain about it. I supervise commercial/industrial construction projects and my work weeks range from 0-100 hours. I try to keep them closer to 0 though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's why I stayed working with the tools in my trade. I was offered salaried/management positions running a crew of tradesmen and always declined. None of the guys I ever worked directly for were happy in those positions. Construction? If so, then yes. Most of the time a salaried foreman or superintendent for a crew gets the shaft. I'm salaried and I don't complain about it. I supervise commercial/industrial construction projects and my work weeks range from 0-100 hours. I try to keep them closer to 0 though. No, industrial equipment maintenance. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 10:37:51 AM EDT
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I am salaried. I rarely ever work over 40 hours a week. If I do it is usually less than 1 hour over.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 10:45:30 AM EDT
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I have never had a salaried position in my life ( 54yo )
Worked as a construction union electrician my whole life ( after military at 18yo ) and for the past 10 yrs have owned my own sports ticket brokering biz. Why would you punish yourself like that OP ? Giving away your time and labor for free ( more or less ) seems like a dumb way to make a living ? |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 10:51:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No shit! <---salaried government leech. Should sue and demand the OT entitled  |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 10:55:00 AM EDT
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I love my salaried job. Learn to love your job or find a new one.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:04:48 AM EDT
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I have turned down promotions that would have required an "electronic tether" for only a small increase in pay. The material and ego rewards of being in management are just not there for me. I have been lucky to have had some very good bosses who did want the job - many admitted that they did not particularly enjoy it, but somebody had to do it. The only way I would (and may) do it, is to start and run my own business.
MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:08:57 AM EDT
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Not all salary positions are equal. Last company I worked for, Any salary employee who worked more than 2000 hours per year was given the option to take a check or vacation time for any time over 2000. The company I currently work for does not abide by that policy, but I have to put in the hours to get my job done, or risk losing my job. It used to take me 60-70 hours a week to do my job, but with more experience I can now do it in 45-55 hours. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:13:13 AM EDT
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People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit. You must be an MTM huh? Was warned about that job when I was considering the industry. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:25:01 AM EDT
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Slaves can't quit.
This is like calling US politicians Nazis. Its such a gross exaggeration that it insults those who actually experienced such things. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:33:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:34:41 AM EDT
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I got into a position where I'm on a call 24/7 .. but I'm also in a top 20 business with a lot of opportunity. I may be here for a long time or I may move on.. I view the time that I'm spending here as basically writing my own ticket for life.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:34:58 AM EDT
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Friend at work just got his degree and was told that he would be "promoted" to a process engineer, he declined taking a pay cut with increased hours.
He now has been informed that he has a meeting with the big boss, wonder how that will go. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:36:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit. Slavery, by definition, is forced upon the 'slave'. I'm on a salary...but then....I own the company. 
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:42:49 AM EDT
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Salary is great, if you have the capability to be responsible for balancing your productivity and your personal limits. If you don't, you should be hourly.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:44:06 AM EDT
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Your industry sounds really lame. Which industry is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ive been on call 24/7 for my entire career while on salary. I knew that when i agreed to compensation bc im not a special fred. I take pride in being the workhorse that holds this company together. While everyone is gallivanting around the countryside i make things happen. Ive gotten everything that was agreed on and done everything i can to do my job. I never understood this 40 or 50 hour horseshit but i work in an industry where you would be terminated for working those hours. Ive had to part ways with several guys that refused to work our normal schedule. I had a new guy last year that commented that he was tired bc i had worked him 60 hours a week for 4 months ( we were slow) my customer looked at him like he was speaking arabic. The customer had no clue how working 60 hours and being tired would be tied together bc he had worked 90 to 130 hours a week for 35 years and he is never tired. Your industry sounds really lame. Which industry is it? Getting screwed by cows apparently. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:49:19 AM EDT
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Your pay rate should take that into consideration meaning that you are making considerably more than an hourly employee. If not, time to talk to the boss. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Your pay rate should take that into consideration meaning that you are making considerably more than an hourly employee. If not, time to talk to the boss. Quoted:
People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit. Or he should be developing employees and systems that prevent this being necessary. This is the most common situation I see with people who transfer from hourly to salary, generally into a supervisory position. They assume their new responsibilities are just the same as their old ones with a minor change in pay or position. Say a lead machinist, promoted to machine shop supervisor. He thinks now, that since he was answering technical questions, solving programming or tooling issues, directing which order to do work in, that as supervisor his responsibilities include all of that with the addition of hiring/firing/discipline. When he should no longer be doing any of that, he should be developing other employees to do that, or putting a system in place to reduce some of that, or delegating in other ways. Unfortunately most people, from my perspective, lack the ability to trust others enough to delegate, even when they intellectually understand that people will need to try and fail before being successful, they're not willing to entertain allowing that to happen "when they can just do it themselves faster/better." |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:55:04 AM EDT
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complaining about working
Im surprised your not a 13er Grow a pair and either tell your boss I need to be compensated or find new employment. And I thought I was the dumb one around here |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 12:11:12 PM EDT
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Fuuuck just got called into work. Shit always happens on the weekend
Gotta go hand milk a cow that didnt lIke the machine. FUCK! 
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Posted: 4/25/2015 12:58:24 PM EDT
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It's a real bummer when your men are on double time and you're making the same thing as if you'd worked an hour. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only advantage salary has is that you know what you'll be making every week. Totally unlike hourly where you make 40 hours pay plus time and a half or double time for any additional work after 40 hours. That would absolutely suck to make Double time for a Sunday call. It's a real bummer when your men are on double time and you're making the same thing as if you'd worked an hour. don't like it? quit |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:08:09 PM EDT
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Ive been on call 24/7 for my entire career while on salary. I knew that when i agreed to compensation bc im not a special fred. I take pride in being the workhorse that holds this company together. While everyone is gallivanting around the countryside i make things happen. Ive gotten everything that was agreed on and done everything i can to do my job. I never understood this 40 or 50 hour horseshit but i work in an industry where you would be terminated for working those hours. Ive had to part ways with several guys that refused to work our normal schedule. I had a new guy last year that commented that he was tired bc i had worked him 60 hours a week for 4 months ( we were slow) my customer looked at him like he was speaking arabic. The customer had no clue how working 60 hours and being tired would be tied together bc he had worked 90 to 130 hours a week for 35 years and he is never tired. Either A) You're lying, which is pathetic or B) You're telling the truth, which is pathetic |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:18:39 PM EDT
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I've heard these new phones have something called a ringer off setting.
Keeping the phone in the kitchen also seems to reduce the number of late night interruptions. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:25:11 PM EDT
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I turned down a job like that. 45 hour work week on site, on call 24/7/365. No extra pay for a call out, it was just counted as regular time. Could have been OK if you never get a call, but what if you get called out every night and weekend for four hours and still make the same pay? Piss on that.
ETA: I turned down a union job like that too. They were straight up about it, you WILL get called out and 24-48 hour work periods during an equipment failure would happen. As in go to work all night, get a call ticket, work all day in the field, back to work all night and get another call ticket, back out to the field until it's completed. Pay was the same every Wednesday. I told them they had the worst union ever. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:38:20 PM EDT
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I'm salary, but a couple months ago my company switched to us getting OT for anything over 40. I hate staying late there so I never claim any of the OT. If I do work any extra I tend to just arrive late or leave early other days. It will be nice when we get into our busy season, but until then I'd rather have the free time over the money. Little extra money doesn't make up for time lost spending with my daughter and wife.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:40:19 PM EDT
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I expect a whole lot of "Their business their rules" with a fair helping of "Suck it up" and a dash of "Unions suck".
Oddly enough I suspect a good portion of it will come from the very people finding themselves being fucked by their employer. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:43:19 PM EDT
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Freelance for life. No salary job for me.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:45:14 PM EDT
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I turned down a job like that. 45 hour work week on site, on call 24/7/365. No extra pay for a call out, it was just counted as regular time. Could have been OK if you never get a call, but what if you get called out every night and weekend for four hours and still make the same pay? Piss on that. ETA: I turned down a union job like that too. They were straight up about it, you WILL get called out and 24-48 hour work periods during an equipment failure would happen. As in go to work all night, get a call ticket, work all day in the field, back to work all night and get another call ticket, back out to the field until it's completed. Pay was the same every Wednesday. I told them they had the worst union ever.
That is HORRIBLE on call pay. We're going to 2 hours pay on weekdays and 3 hours per day on weekends per day plus time and a half til 16 then double time, double time on sundays and holidays, 2 hour min call out, equal time off if you get called in 4 hours or more prior to your normal shift. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:56:24 PM EDT
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LOL, been salaried a LONG time.
Sucks, but no one is making me stay: in too far to start over now. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is HORRIBLE on call pay. We're going to 2 hours pay on weekdays and 3 hours per day on weekends per day plus time and a half til 16 then double time, double time on sundays and holidays, 2 hour min call out, equal time off if you get called in 4 hours or more prior to your normal shift. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I turned down a job like that. 45 hour work week on site, on call 24/7/365. No extra pay for a call out, it was just counted as regular time. Could have been OK if you never get a call, but what if you get called out every night and weekend for four hours and still make the same pay? Piss on that. ETA: I turned down a union job like that too. They were straight up about it, you WILL get called out and 24-48 hour work periods during an equipment failure would happen. As in go to work all night, get a call ticket, work all day in the field, back to work all night and get another call ticket, back out to the field until it's completed. Pay was the same every Wednesday. I told them they had the worst union ever. That is HORRIBLE on call pay. We're going to 2 hours pay on weekdays and 3 hours per day on weekends per day plus time and a half til 16 then double time, double time on sundays and holidays, 2 hour min call out, equal time off if you get called in 4 hours or more prior to your normal shift. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:26:04 PM EDT
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I work 400 hours per week. Anything less than 375 and you're a fucking Obama-loving dirty hippy slacker.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:28:54 PM EDT
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I'm base salary + bill OT at an hourly rate. best of both worlds. This
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:31:00 PM EDT
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I make myself irreplaceable then do whatever the hell I want. I have worked 16 hours a week for years making >100k/year Work smart not hard. I am a special case though. I am a software architect, meet all deadlines, exceed expectations. I am the man that you don't want to fall into enemy hands. But you are right, work the system, or it works you. Ehat is the difference between a software architect and engineer? |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:56:52 PM EDT
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It's pretty basic - if you don't like your current employer , find a new one
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:59:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: People call and email me at fucking midnight. I worked over 70 hours in the past week and I don't get any additional compensation at all. I make the same thing I made as a scheduled employee with roughly 50 hours a week and I have ten times the responsibility. I must be retarded to do this shit.  |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:08:03 PM EDT
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Find better employers. I just left a salaried position for another salaried position, and both are this way. This is common in the IT field, especially when you stick to companies that are <10yr old. First company was a networking engineer for a webhosting provider, the second is a network and logistics engineer for a cloud and cloud infrastructure consultancy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only advantage salary has is that you know what you'll be making every week. Yeah. Working whenever you want, wherever you want, taking as much or as little time off as you need, not needing to clock in or out, no limit on lunch breaks or absences for personal things, etc. is way fucking overrated. Sometimes you pull shitty weeks. Other times you don't. Professional jobs that require work be done when it needs to be done are perfectly suited for salary. That shit only exists in fairytales. Quoted:
I've been on salary since I was about 20 years old and I have NEVER had a salaried job like that. Never even met anyone who has. Find better employers. I just left a salaried position for another salaried position, and both are this way. This is common in the IT field, especially when you stick to companies that are <10yr old. First company was a networking engineer for a webhosting provider, the second is a network and logistics engineer for a cloud and cloud infrastructure consultancy. This. How things are done in high level IT is worlds different for you non-technical production/operations salary guys. As long as it gets done by deadline and my billable hours are above 60%, no one cares when or how I do it. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:33:55 PM EDT
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Ive been on call 24/7 for my entire career while on salary. I knew that when i agreed to compensation bc im not a special fred. I take pride in being the workhorse that holds this company together. While everyone is gallivanting around the countryside i make things happen. Ive gotten everything that was agreed on and done everything i can to do my job. I never understood this 40 or 50 hour horseshit but i work in an industry where you would be terminated for working those hours. Ive had to part ways with several guys that refused to work our normal schedule. I had a new guy last year that commented that he was tired bc i had worked him 60 hours a week for 4 months ( we were slow) my customer looked at him like he was speaking arabic. The customer had no clue how working 60 hours and being tired would be tied together bc he had worked 90 to 130 hours a week for 35 years and he is never tired. What industry is that so I never set foot in it? Jesus man, I work to live, not live to work. 
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