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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:51:15 AM EDT
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It's popularity is based on nostalgia and a lack of understanding of modern rifles. In my opinion.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:54:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:55:27 AM EDT
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Very interesting. Thank you for posting it.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:56:13 AM EDT
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I've haven't been impressed the few times I have shot them. Fun rifle for laying around on a padded mat while firing prone |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:58:01 AM EDT
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Very interesting. Thank you for posting it. My pleasure. 
Having been issued this rifle twice in combat im glad there is somebody out there that shares my contempt for it and expresses that on a public forum. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:58:03 AM EDT
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Whatever, I still want one.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:58:35 AM EDT
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I really, really wanted one till I shot one. Then I was glad my buddy paid $2k for that instead of me. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:58:46 AM EDT
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Whatever, I still want one. I have one. Still dont like it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:58:49 AM EDT
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:59:07 AM EDT
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I have one. Still dont like it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever, I still want one. I have one. Still dont like it. you people can help eachother. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 11:59:08 AM EDT
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I can't wait until someone posts a link about how shitty the m16 was in its first few years of service
Or the m1.... |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:00:01 PM EDT
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Want one since I used one in the Navy.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:00:04 PM EDT
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I can't wait until someone posts a link about how shitty the m16 was in its first few years of service ah, but the M14 STILL sucks. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:01:09 PM EDT
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I met Lt Col. Chandler when he had his shop off Piney Green Rd. He ran (or owned?) BCM when Freedom Group was expanding the AR line.
He has a really bad reputation around there. The sniper community doesn't think much of him, or his DARPA funded XM3 rifle. I don't have anything against the man, but his opinion of the M14 doesn't jive with anyone I've met in person that's actually been issued one. The only critics I've heard have been on the errornet. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:01:13 PM EDT
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I can't wait until someone posts a link about how shitty the m16 was in its first few years of service Or the m1.... Oh it's on its way here. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:01:24 PM EDT
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I can't wait until someone posts a link about how shitty the m16 was in its first few years of service Its inevitable. Followed by posts from 30 Vietnam vets that all opted to carry the M14 over the M16 after seeing their entire unit massacred with cleaning rods in the barrels. When they all weren't carrying Ithaca 37's of course. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:04:00 PM EDT
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Odd, this conflicts with an email I got forwarded a few years ago from a Marine in Iraq telling me about how M14s were being reissued en masse to combat troops.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:04:13 PM EDT
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Very cool article, OP. Thanks for posting.
I have a preban Springfield. It's awful pretty to look at. I sometimes wonder what it is like to shoot it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:04:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you people can help eachother. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whatever, I still want one. I have one. Still dont like it. you people can help eachother.  |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:05:38 PM EDT
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Didn't the M1a rule High Power competition for a long while? Maybe the aftermarket parts made it better? Doesn't the military use the M14 as a DMR rifle to this day?
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:06:32 PM EDT
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Lies, lies propaganda--all lies
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:06:53 PM EDT
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Good article,also backs up my view of the rifle
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:07:19 PM EDT
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Didn't the M1a rule High Power competition for a long while? Maybe the aftermarket parts made it better? Doesn't the military use the M14 as a DMR rifle to this day? read the article. it's used as the service rifle in high power. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:07:28 PM EDT
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Didn't the M1a rule High Power competition for a long while? Maybe the aftermarket parts made it better? Doesn't the military use the M14 as a DMR rifle to this day? There are plenty of better options out there than an M14 EBR |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:07:45 PM EDT
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Want one since I used one in the Navy. You're damn right! After countless hours of standing watch with said rifle strapped to my back I can think of no other rifle worthy of that use. Sadly, I no longer stand watch through all hours of the night. I do however often see used M1A1's and SOCOM's up for sale at the LGS as used... Still too far out of my price range 
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:07:52 PM EDT
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Lies, lies propaganda--all lies they aren't garands...they're garand inspired. like a cover band. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:07:56 PM EDT
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Didn't the M1a rule High Power competition for a long while? Maybe the aftermarket parts made it better? Doesn't the military use the M14 as a DMR rifle to this day? Only because it was a 30 cal rifle, but as soon as better bullets came along for the .223, it was adios 7.62 |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:08:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lies, lies propaganda--all lies |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:10:14 PM EDT
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My pleasure.
Having been issued this rifle twice in combat im glad there is somebody out there that shares my contempt for it and expresses that on a public forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very interesting. Thank you for posting it. My pleasure.
Having been issued this rifle twice in combat im glad there is somebody out there that shares my contempt for it and expresses that on a public forum. Thanks for sharing that article. For the record, I had generally the same feelings for that rifle as you. I just didn't realize how bad the M14 or it's variants actually were. ETA TBH I wasnt a huge hater just not a fan. I'm very familiar with iron brigade armory and would trust what they said. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:10:21 PM EDT
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. Don't know if I agree with that. The retro AR10 to me is one of the coolest looking rifles ever. 
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:10:43 PM EDT
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There are better 7.62 mm platforms. Ask the AMU what they think of the M-14.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:11:20 PM EDT
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Odd, this conflicts with an email I got forwarded a few years ago from a Marine in Iraq telling me about how M14s were being reissued en masse to combat troops. En masse? Like whole companies being issued M14s? |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:11:40 PM EDT
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I met Lt Col. Chandler when he had his shop off Piney Green Rd. He ran (or owned?) BCM when Freedom Group was expanding the AR line. He has a really bad reputation around there. The sniper community doesn't think much of him, or his DARPA funded XM3 rifle. I don't have anything against the man, but his opinion of the M14 doesn't jive with anyone I've met in person that's actually been issued one. The only critics I've heard have been on the errornet. It jives with me, and I was issued it twice, although to be fair the first time I dumped it ASAP, and the second time I kept it locked in an iSU only to see daylight to read serial numbers once in a while. That also seems to be the Marine. Corps position on it, as they tried to create a DMR out of it and scrapped the whole thing. 
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:11:57 PM EDT
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I own one. It's fun to shoot for nostalgia and because it's American. As a Saturday afternoon iron sights steel-ringer, it works. We had a bunch of them that had been fitted with Leupold scopes and the Sage chassis. They worked well too, and our marksmen schwacked a dudes with them fairly regularly.
That being said, unless you're getting one for shooting with iron sights, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's a poor choice today. There's a reason marksmen got the M14 and snipers got the M24, M110, or M2010. I dunno, I guess my personal opinion is worth what you paid for it - the gun's not relevant anymore today, but it's pretty obvious that the pendulum has swung the other way with that article. In retaliation for all the "wood and steel" chest thumpers, the author tries to vilify the M14. The truth is probably somewhere in between. Edit: We plussed up on EBRs when we were doing patrol bases in them thar hills, as it gave us a little extra standoff. Although to be fair the M4 with an ACOG was no slouch. I personally witnessed an LT shoot a dude at 800m trying to walk his sniper on target. It took him a magazine, but he did it! 
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:12:27 PM EDT
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I got a little bit of hardon with that technical data package. That would be so cool to have.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:12:34 PM EDT
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Thank you OP. That is one of the best articles on the subject that I have ever read.
I came to the conclusion years ago, after having to fix a few of the damn things and make them passably accurate, that the ONLY benefit that the M1A/M14 had over the AR-15/M16 was the .308 round. It doesn't even have that anymore and should be consigned to the trash heap of history as a curiosity. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:13:11 PM EDT
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You're damn right! After countless hours of standing watch with said rifle strapped to my back I can think of no other rifle worthy of that use. Sadly, I no longer stand watch through all hours of the night. I do however often see used M1A1's and SOCOM's up for sale at the LGS as used... Still too far out of my price range Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want one since I used one in the Navy. You're damn right! After countless hours of standing watch with said rifle strapped to my back I can think of no other rifle worthy of that use. Sadly, I no longer stand watch through all hours of the night. I do however often see used M1A1's and SOCOM's up for sale at the LGS as used... Still too far out of my price range Is there a reason the navy continued to use the m14? Seems like they could get M-16 of about an flavor for next to nothing |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:13:43 PM EDT
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I have one. Still dont like it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever, I still want one. I have one. Still dont like it. Sold mine to my brother. It's his albatross now.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:13:58 PM EDT
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Don't know if I agree with that. The retro AR10 to me is one of the coolest looking rifles ever. http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/14389/14554764_3.jpg?v=8CF9A3B5AD8B9B0 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. Don't know if I agree with that. The retro AR10 to me is one of the coolest looking rifles ever. http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/14389/14554764_3.jpg?v=8CF9A3B5AD8B9B0 I love the M14, but I absolutely agree with you about the aesthetics of the original AI AR10. I wish someone would put it back into production, just like it was and not with "improvements". |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:14:20 PM EDT
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Odd, this conflicts with an email I got forwarded a few years ago from a Marine in Iraq telling me about how M14s were being reissued en masse to combat troops. Not en masse, and not to Marines. The EBR (like in my picture) was created at great expense and issued as a non-MTOE Substitute for the newly revamped SDM program. It was also issued as a TPE weapon to units arriving in theater. After 8-10 years of "use", they still didnt make the cut onto unit MTOEs and now that the GWOT money has dried up so have the M14s. The EBR was one of the heaviest and most awkward weapons I have ever used. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:14:21 PM EDT
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Sold my M1A to help finance my SCAR 17 and never looked back. Haven't regretted it even a little bit...
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:15:08 PM EDT
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. But darn few of them existed in 1959. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:16:06 PM EDT
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Only because it was a 30 cal rifle, but as soon as better bullets came along for the .223, it was adios 7.62 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't the M1a rule High Power competition for a long while? Maybe the aftermarket parts made it better? Doesn't the military use the M14 as a DMR rifle to this day? Only because it was a 30 cal rifle, but as soon as better bullets came along for the .223, it was adios 7.62 Which was so much more accurate, they've quit using an expander plug to score it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:17:11 PM EDT
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. But darn few of them existed in 1959. FAL |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:17:54 PM EDT
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En masse? Like whole companies being issued M14s? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Odd, this conflicts with an email I got forwarded a few years ago from a Marine in Iraq telling me about how M14s were being reissued en masse to combat troops. En masse? Like whole companies being issued M14s? Quoted:
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Odd, this conflicts with an email I got forwarded a few years ago from a Marine in Iraq telling me about how M14s were being reissued en masse to combat troops. Not en masse, and not to Marines. The EBR (like in my picture) was created at great expense and issued as a non-MTOE Substitute for the newly revamped SDM program. It was also issued as a TPE weapon to units arriving in theater. After 8-10 years of "use", they still didnt make the cut onto unit MTOEs and now that the GWOT money has dried up so have the M14s. The EBR was one of the heaviest and most awkward weapons I have ever used. Joke, over your heads. You might not have been around for "that one." |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:18:36 PM EDT
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The rifle is totally ineffective evidenced by it being legally sold in California.
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:18:50 PM EDT
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. But darn few of them existed in 1959. The M14 was the best rifle for World War 2 ever created. Too bad it came out a decade later. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:19:49 PM EDT
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The M14 was the best rifle for World War 2 ever created. Too bad it came out a decade later. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. But darn few of them existed in 1959. The M14 was the best rifle for World War 2 ever created. Too bad it came out a decade later. 
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:20:10 PM EDT
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there are many vastly superior options for a .308 autorifle, they just aren't nearly as good looking. But darn few of them existed in 1959. FAL Yupp like that one too ... but ... if you've ever used one there's lots wrong with the FAL. The rear sights all naked, the bolt release and safety are way too small ... once I bought an AR-10 I never looked back at either of the oldies. 
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Posted: 4/18/2015 12:20:44 PM EDT
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A friend of mine carried an E2 in Vietnam. He still loves the semi M14 versions available.
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