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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:09:53 PM EDT
As seen in the title, this is a BOOK DISCUSSION and as such there WILL BE SPOILERS for anyone that hasn't read all of the books.
I repeat, there will be spoilers, without spoiler tags, all over this thread. With that said, Margaery Tyrell invites you in. 
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:11:08 PM EDT
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Is this the first book? I have it, just need to read it.
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:13:00 PM EDT
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The books are going nowhere.
I tried to read A Dance with Dragons... twice. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:13:07 PM EDT
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else?
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:15:12 PM EDT
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The books are going nowhere. I tried to read A Dance with Dragons... twice. If you can get through Feast you can get through anything, IMO. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:17:03 PM EDT
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? Dragon blood bro, dragon blood. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:22:15 PM EDT
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Is this the first book? I have it, just need to read it. this is 5 books, come back when you catch up |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:23:58 PM EDT
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Dragon blood bro, dragon blood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? Dragon blood bro, dragon blood. And, you know, the incest. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:24:57 PM EDT
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I've read them all so far. I like the overall narrative, but long stretches of the books can feel like work
 . I don't regret powering through them, but I really hope the pace picks up in books 6 and 7.
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:25:37 PM EDT
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Is this the first book? I have it, just need to read it. this is 5 books, come back when you catch up Plus a sixth in a few years, and the seventh in a decade, and the eighth in 2043 if GRRM lasts that long, and I'm sure the final book(s) after that will be along about the time my eyesight goes. 
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:26:53 PM EDT
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Plus a sixth in a few years, and the seventh in a decade, and the eighth in 2043 if GRRM lasts that long, and I'm sure the final book(s) after that will be along about the time my eyesight goes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this the first book? I have it, just need to read it. this is 5 books, come back when you catch up Plus a sixth in a few years, and the seventh in a decade, and the eighth in 2043 if GRRM lasts that long, and I'm sure the final book(s) after that will be along about the time my eyesight goes. GRRM will be dead of the cholesterol 'beetus in less than a decade. I'm guessing the TV show will start to diverge from his books... or at least they'll be using his rough drafts for source material soon. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:27:01 PM EDT
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:27:53 PM EDT
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books?
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:28:16 PM EDT
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Plus a sixth in a few years, and the seventh in a decade, and the eighth in 2043 if GRRM lasts that long, and I'm sure the final book(s) after that will be along about the time my eyesight goes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this the first book? I have it, just need to read it. this is 5 books, come back when you catch up Plus a sixth in a few years, and the seventh in a decade, and the eighth in 2043 if GRRM lasts that long, and I'm sure the final book(s) after that will be along about the time my eyesight goes. i was being polite instead of sending him out for a spool of flight line
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The books are going nowhere. I tried to read A Dance with Dragons... twice. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:31:14 PM EDT
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The last 2 books were pretty tough to get through, and the next 2 will probably never be released.
He should have just shot for a trilogy. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:31:30 PM EDT
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:33:31 PM EDT
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The last 2 books were pretty tough to get through, and the next 2 will probably never be released. He should have just shot for a trilogy. i tore through ADWD in about a week, and that was after having read all the spoilers on westeros.org, and i still wanted more when it was over. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:33:32 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here?
I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:35:12 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. He doesn't actually die...
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:35:53 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found that one death of that guy among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. Well........the OP did say to put them in spoiler tags. ETA: I misread the OP. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:36:24 PM EDT
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The last 2 books were pretty tough to get through, and the next 2 will probably never be released. He should have just shot for a trilogy. He did to begin with. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:40:41 PM EDT
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The books are getting worse the longer it takes Georgie Porgie to write them.
The first three were the best and it didn't take as long to write them. Anyway........I don't think Jon is dead either. Permanently at least. He'll be back. 
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:42:24 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. He doesn't actually die... richard pryor said it best: I ain't dead yet, mothafucka! |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:43:23 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. He doesn't actually die... richard pryor said it best: I ain't dead yet, mothafucka! screw you all. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:43:58 PM EDT
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Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. i think they've skipped him and just replaced him with varys from what i've seen so far |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:44:11 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. Jon's not dead. If he is dead, Melisandre will bring him back. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:45:25 PM EDT
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OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Possibility, I just don't see any real support for him being Illyrio's son anywhere in the books. It's also possible he's exactly who he says he is -- would Connington go to the lengths he does for someone who wasn't? Hard to say yet. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:45:28 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. He doesn't actually die... richard pryor said it best: I ain't dead yet, mothafucka! screw you all. que? |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:45:51 PM EDT
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Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. I basically treat them as two separate but similar stories. It might be easier for me since I watched the first four seasons before I ever picked up a single one of the books (I know it was easier for me not having to wait all those years for ADWD.) Contrary to my normal way of thinking, I would actually suggest a person new to them to watch the show first---I got hooked, and find the books to be a great expansion of the story. Had I started with the books I suspect I would be rather disappointed in the show. (I have still not been able to successfully watch The Two Towers without flying into a rage, for example.) |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:46:37 PM EDT
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. i think they've skipped him and just replaced him with varys from what i've seen so far From the show perspective, that makes perfect sense. Varys is the one moving the pieces, who cares who the pieces are and how they react as long as the puppet master is shown. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:46:51 PM EDT
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just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:47:07 PM EDT
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He did to begin with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The last 2 books were pretty tough to get through, and the next 2 will probably never be released. He should have just shot for a trilogy. He did to begin with. Reading it I had the feeling that somebody made him an offer he couldn't refuse and he just kept piling on with fillers and contrivances. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:51:37 PM EDT
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I basically treat them as two separate but similar stories. It might be easier for me since I watched the first four seasons before I ever picked up a single one of the books (I know it was easier for me not having to wait all those years for ADWD.) Contrary to my normal way of thinking, I would actually suggest a person new to them to watch the show first---I got hooked, and find the books to be a great expansion of the story. Had I started with the books I suspect I would be rather disappointed in the show. (I have still not been able to successfully watch The Two Towers without flying into a rage, for example.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. I basically treat them as two separate but similar stories. It might be easier for me since I watched the first four seasons before I ever picked up a single one of the books (I know it was easier for me not having to wait all those years for ADWD.) Contrary to my normal way of thinking, I would actually suggest a person new to them to watch the show first---I got hooked, and find the books to be a great expansion of the story. Had I started with the books I suspect I would be rather disappointed in the show. (I have still not been able to successfully watch The Two Towers without flying into a rage, for example.) Peter Jackson is a fucking idiot who doesn't get Tolkien at all and made no attempt to build a movie that did the story justice. His only object was to capitalize on the fact that the books are the gold standard for fantasy fiction and have been for fifty years, while writing his own story that would make a fuckton of money. In that, he succeeded wildly. I don't get that feeling from GOT the show. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:51:50 PM EDT
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Possibility, I just don't see any real support for him being Illyrio's son anywhere in the books. It's also possible he's exactly who he says he is -- would Connington go to the lengths he does for someone who wasn't? Hard to say yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Possibility, I just don't see any real support for him being Illyrio's son anywhere in the books. It's also possible he's exactly who he says he is -- would Connington go to the lengths he does for someone who wasn't? Hard to say yet. illyrio's son is an outside shot...i'd have to read it again to see what made it believable for me. as i said, i'm more inclined to believe he's a Blackfyre. maybe connington's been deceived as well? that's one of the things i absolutely love about this series, it does keep us guessing and debating. just got word from the library today that the dunk and egg books i reserved are in. i can't wait to dive into them too. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:52:26 PM EDT
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Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... Why would Jon posses someone else's body? Melisandra will just bring him back in his I think. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:54:30 PM EDT
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From the show perspective, that makes perfect sense. Varys is the one moving the pieces, who cares who the pieces are and how they react as long as the puppet master is shown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. I wonder if we'll see Illyrio at all in future episodes. I'm going to rewatch episode one before I make any predictions. I've seen the first 4 episodes at a friend's house, so don't want to spoil the changes for those watching the show too. i think they've skipped him and just replaced him with varys from what i've seen so far From the show perspective, that makes perfect sense. Varys is the one moving the pieces, who cares who the pieces are and how they react as long as the puppet master is shown. agreed. and people still know who varys is. show watchers have forgotten illyrio's involvement with dany early on by now |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:54:35 PM EDT
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Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... The books say that Aerys took liberties with Joanna during the bedding ceremony at Tywin's wedding. It caused a great deal of issues between Aerys and Tywin. We don't get any more information, but one theory is that he did, in fact, rape her and Cersei and Jaime are the result of that rape, which makes them Targaryen bastards. Most people don't believe that theory, but it does exist. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:56:23 PM EDT
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illyrio's son is an outside shot...i'd have to read it again to see what made it believable for me. as i said, i'm more inclined to believe he's a Blackfyre. maybe connington's been deceived as well? that's one of the things i absolutely love about this series, it does keep us guessing and debating. just got word from the library today that the dunk and egg books i reserved are in. i can't wait to dive into them too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it ok to discuss what I think the changes the TV show have made imply for the coming books? OP says spoilers, whip it out! i think it implies that "Aegon" ain't shit...I will give Josh's theory that he's a Blackfyre credence, but I'm not convinced he isn't Illyrio's son yet. either way, "mummer's dragon" Possibility, I just don't see any real support for him being Illyrio's son anywhere in the books. It's also possible he's exactly who he says he is -- would Connington go to the lengths he does for someone who wasn't? Hard to say yet. illyrio's son is an outside shot...i'd have to read it again to see what made it believable for me. as i said, i'm more inclined to believe he's a Blackfyre. maybe connington's been deceived as well? that's one of the things i absolutely love about this series, it does keep us guessing and debating. just got word from the library today that the dunk and egg books i reserved are in. i can't wait to dive into them too. I just pre-ordered the "Knight of the Seven Kingdoms". Out in October, should be all the stories in one place. I've read them all, but it will be nice to have them all in one place. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:56:23 PM EDT
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Tagging this... just started ADWD and don't care about spoilers.
I enjoy the series. Just got to season 2, ep. 3 on the show. Margaery Tyrell is a babe. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 7:56:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:01:20 PM EDT
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I'm not entirely convinced Jon is Eddard's bastard. Could it be a possibility he was Lyanna's from being raped by Aerys?
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. "So you think he's dead, do you?" |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:02:25 PM EDT
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... only a theory. it's not definitely stated, but there is mention of aerys making advances toward her and other women. lannisters are blonde, but tyrion's more pale platinum like the targaryens, mismatched eyes, dwarfism...i could be wrong, he just doesn't look very lannister to me. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:04:37 PM EDT
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I'm not entirely convinced Jon is Eddard's bastard. Could it be a possibility he was Lyanna's from being raped by Aerys? you're so close.... |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:06:08 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. "So you think he's dead, do you?" "You know nothing, thelastgunslinger." |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:06:52 PM EDT
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What role are the Others playing? We basically know jack shit about them except "They're immortal, elf-like (GRRM's words), indestructible to all but obsidian weapons and dragonsteel (Valyrian), can raise the dead, and have a huge affinity for ice and cold."
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:06:58 PM EDT
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Why would Jon posses someone else's body? Melisandra will just bring him back in his I think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something I have been wondering about is what the deal is with all the Targ babies that are born deformed. There are several scattered all throughout The World of Ice and Fire books, plus the one that Dany gave birth to. Most of them are described as "twisted monsters" some with scales, tales, and various other deformities. Is this just Targ bad luck or something else? just like our world, you inbreed for too long and you end up with a higher incidence of illnesses, etc. and as much as i hate the secret targaryen plots, it adds more fuel to the theory that tyrion is a product of aerys raping joanna. his interest in dragon training and his saddle design back in book 1 weren't just filler or coincidences. Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... Why would Jon posses someone else's body? Melisandra will just bring him back in his I think. maybe he warged into bowen marsh, or had a stand in like mance did...or he warged into wun wun the giant
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:09:12 PM EDT
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The books say that Aerys took liberties with Joanna during the bedding ceremony at Tywin's wedding. It caused a great deal of issues between Aerys and Tywin. We don't get any more information, but one theory is that he did, in fact, rape her and Cersei and Jaime are the result of that rape, which makes them Targaryen bastards. Most people don't believe that theory, but it does exist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did it mention Aerys raping Joanna, or did you infer that? I don't recall that at all. I'm wondering whose body Jon Snow is going to possess... The books say that Aerys took liberties with Joanna during the bedding ceremony at Tywin's wedding. It caused a great deal of issues between Aerys and Tywin. We don't get any more information, but one theory is that he did, in fact, rape her and Cersei and Jaime are the result of that rape, which makes them Targaryen bastards. Most people don't believe that theory, but it does exist. i'm posiive that cersei and jaime are tywin's....and mentally, tyrion is more his heir than both of them combined, but it won't surprise me if tyrion isn't his biological son |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:09:41 PM EDT
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So spoilers are cool here? I found Jon Snow's death at the hands of his Night's Watch brothers among the most shocking of the deaths in the series so far. He doesn't actually die... yeah. it made me blink for a second, but golly gee--melisandre is right fucking there, and we already know that r'hllor (sp?) specializes in reanimation. so even if were actually to die, he'd be out for about 200 pages. of course, that would be even trollier than killing ned off if GRRM planted R+L=J as a rumor and then offed him. legendary rage on a global scale. |
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