It is not used in mining and timed blasts. Mining uses a slurry mix, not liquid poured over granules and not blended in a barrel.
It is a coarse mix that McVeigh supposedly used.
I don't make bombs but I know that bomb was a lot more refined than what the government says it was.
I saw the hole not long after it happened.
Did you?
And speaking of bombs and their aftermath, WTF have you seen first hand?

This.  We know for sure that the govt is largely useless and unable to do much.....and the politicians were probably trying to cover that aspect up and also exploit for their political gain.

Well if they cover up a mistake, then that's technically some form of conspiracy?

There is a very simple explanation to the dual seismic events if you understand the true nature of the bomb construction.

That reality is besides which theory you subscribe to, and even though thousands of pages of documents were not given to McVeigh's defense attorney that later popped up right before his execution, I understand why the specific construction of the device was not openly discussed.

You can attack my character all you want, make BS allegations and insinuations based on open media sources that simply repeat what the WH and DOJ told them to, but anybody that has formal training on explosives, or understands the basic physics of blast dynamics knows that you can't create the damage that was done to the Murrah Building with a simple mass of explosives parked out front.

There's a reason the various militant factions of the Muslim Brotherhood recruit engineers to design their bombs, with help and training from the Soviets from the 1970's-forward as an asymmetric set of players to hit US interests with plausible deniability.

If you believe even a fraction of what was told to you on the big networks after they back-tracked their stories about the initial descriptions of the suspects, then you are a fool.

Clinton was faced with having to address the Nation after a series of scandals that mired his Administration from Day 1, to include Whitewater, Travelgate, Fostergate, the baggage from Arkansas, McDougal, money-laundering, Hillary Care, the Assault Weapons ban, and loss of the House and Senate to the Republicans in the biggest handover of the Century.

Instead of manning up and identifying the foreign actors, he chose to follow Dick Morris's advice, which was to associate this act with those right wingers who listen to "talk radio", calling them "haters".  Morris advised him to start initiating legislation and Executive Branch actions that would target these groups, so that conservatives would feel targeted, then complain to their Republican reps.  These reps would then object to Clinton's directives, making them appear to be sympathizers with the constructed scapegoat of this McVeigh movement, casting his political opponents in a very bad light to voters as ones who would support murdering babies with bombs.

Dick Morris brags about this in one of his books, for crying out loud.  Never let a good crisis go to waste.

I read it and not an 88. I honestly don't remember that.  Are you sure your not thinking of the hi plane delivered nuke?

It was openly discussed, the guy who made it was very detailed about it.

What's funny is you are so deadset on it being a government conspiracy that even when the simple truth comes out you cover your ears and scream conspiracy!  

So you don't think over 5,000 pounds of ANNM with tovex mixed in couldn't do that?  Please.  

 

Again, what's your theory?  The government planted it?  The bomb was much more sophisticated but the government covered it up?  What did McVeigh do with all that ammonium nitrate and racing fuel if he didn't use it in the bomb?

Its more comfortable to think there are great conspiracies afoot versus the simple and frightening fact that a lone person with motivation can alter history.

The capacity for one person to do great evil when compared to the ability of one person to do great good is frightening.

 

So what issue do you guys have this?  Seems reasonable, logical.  

Well I used to believe in conspiracies and its way better now just laughing at tinfoilers and going with the official story.

True but that doesn't apply here.  The book by Jayna Davis is also available instantly on Audible. She was there.  I remember some of the earliy witness reports.  Kinda like the DC sniper and white guy in a white van crap.  If you don't like the audio book you can exchange it.

I scoff and mock you tinfoiler truther types that think our own representative .gov that cares for us deeply would purposely allow hundreds
of semi auto rifles into the hands of known straw purchasers for narcos (via approving NICS checks & other ways) for the express purpose of causing enormous violence
in Mexico and blaming it on the 2nd Amendment and America's dangerous, out of control obsessed gun culture (which needs common sense restrictions) . . . Do you even get how ridiculous a crazy conspiracy like that sounds like? Brian Williams would never fabricate a story, I'm incensed you would suggest that as well.

 
Aw shit...


Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't thinking musically.

I had to turn my sarcasm meter on.

Its funny you say this.  For those that think the .gov has your best interests at heart I hope your chains rest easily.

The .gov will do anything in order to erode OUR rights away.  I believe they'd go as far as the Germans in the 1930's when they burnt down their own parlament building.

Seriously, if some of those weapons hadn't turned up at the murder scene of a border patrol agent and a few others, and murder scenes from Mexico (where serial # traces led back to the "walked" guns) they would have effectively gotten away with it, and what really happened would sound like a crazy basement-dwelling conspiracy "theory".

... just like the OKC bombing details like middle eastern men seen with McVeigh by dozens of people etc etc.

I skipped school to go squirrel hunting with a buddy. (JR in HS)Heard it on the car radio that afternoon.

Did you read the article in the OP? Did you "here" what it has to say?

The Reichstag was set ablaze by Marinus Van Der Lubbe. There has not been sufficient proof, which shows that it was torched by the Nazis. They did use Marinus and all communists as scapegoats for a grand communist conspiracy and used it to seize more power.

Double Tap

Triple Tap

Disregard, I misread.  

 
Not sure I buy that...  But not sure I don't.  


McVeigh never really seemed like the type that would work well as part of a team, and he seemed to pretty much accept full responsibility.  But yeah...  The Clinton DOJ was corrupt as all fuck.

Yes we do.

Take a close look at Terry Nichols family in the Phillipines.

Other men, who have access to essentially the same information, say similar things regarding OKC.

Unfortunately, posters like daa9mm lose their fucking minds in these threads.

Yep.

I'm guessing the government didn't like where the Middle Eastern male tracked back to-better to quietly drop it rather than open up a huge can of worms with the involvement of a country that was supposed to be an ally.

Much easier to blame right wing anti government milita types rather than go down that rabbit hole and have some kind of international shitstorm.

I distinctly remember The news was saying there were two suspects, one being ME.  they also showed pics on the news of sUspect # 2.  

I have no theory about what happened but I know for a fact FIRST HAND the government did not tell the truth of what happened.
First there was a big push to find John Doe II, then he didn't exist.
Then the lies about what no explosives in the building. Then local witnesses being intinidated...
FWIW, the 9/11 terrorist pilots received flight training in the OKC area.

But back to you. Tell us what you know about bombs and what you have seen firsthand.
Especially about mixing ammmonia nitrate granules in one 55 gal plastic drum,  then pouring nitromethanol in it, and setting it off with det cord and other explosives.
How big a bomb crater will one of those make?
Tell us about the destruction you personally saw and what was left of the Amurrah Building.

Agreed.  Had any ME terrorosts had a hand in this they would have proclaimed it loudly as a victory.  I also think ME terrorists would prefer an economic target over a govt building.

Why are you apologizing for the Clinton Administration?

Stick it up your ass!

That was a hell of a thing to see up close as a a 15 year old. I took sandwiches, water, snacks, etc to the rescue workers. I heard them talking among themselves. I heard immediately it was ME terrorists. Then I heard it was a Mexican cartel that did it for revenge. Then it was...
All I know is the government didn't tell the truth. A relative was on the subsequent grand jury and she knows there were lies told by the government.
Rescuers who were there know there were lies told. Many in Oklahoma know there were lies told.
Why the government would lie should scare the hell out of everybody.

I was there a few years ago, RIP to the innocents

So you were 15 and heard wild speculation by a bunch of rescue workers who wouldn't have known anything, and somehow that is what you took as gospel?

I read it, I'm not an 88er. I was just curious about it so I read it online. It was one of the worst written "books" I've ever read in my life.

Someone already mentioned the book The Third Terrorist. It doesn't claim 'the government did it', just that they ignored a good amount of evidence that McVeigh had help/accomplices beyond the other 'right-wing extremist' they identified (things such as your comment below are discussed). The author seems very credible and the book is worth a read IMO.

That link is banabas.

There are government trolls all over this website. Their sole purpose is to downplay and misrepresent government malfeasance when someone questions government actions.
Look at the OKC Bombing. Larry Potts and Eric Holder were in charge of the investigation, just like at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Larry Potts was fired from the FBI in disgrace for having Eric Holder rewrite the ROEs after killing a woman with a baby in her arms.
We know where Eric Zholder is now....

From what I've known of people from the ME, it wouldn't really surprise me for them to not have underwear or a toothbrush. Had some Palestinian neighbors, and they're not the most clean people.

Pull your head out of your anus. Can you read or are you crosseyed?
I said and will repeat, i don't know the truth of what happened at OKC and neither does the vast majority of this country. The government did not tell the truth, only what they wanted told.

It does not seem like it



 

Sometimes bad men do bad things.

Having been around for a big news event or two, so much of what's bandied about as "evidence of a conspiracy" sounds like people grasping at straws over early reports.  Early reports, those when the talking heads don't know anything either but need to keep talking, are almost always all fucked up.

Non-directional?  You could easily put the barrels of ANFO into a triangular pattern to direct the blast wave in the desired direction. Demolitions 101



 

Who says I am?  I'm sure they had no problem with using the incident to their political advantage, doesn't mean it didn't go down the way it has been determined to have happened.

 

The search for John Doe Ii supposedly came from local federal agents doing the initial interviews of immediate witnesses to the bombing. Then Clinton moved in Larry Potts and Eric Holder and John Doe II became a non- issue when the the local agents were taken off the case.
The reason given were they were too personlly invested to do a proper inverstigation..

How would you know if they didn't tell the truth?  What if they did?