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Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. |
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I'll never understand people who's first instinct in times of crisis is to just start screaming uncontrollably and incessantly.
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. View Quote No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. |
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No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. |
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Venting a roof is normal and beneficial in many circumstances. But this roof is clearly compromised. Bad decision by someone.
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No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. |
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I saw this a day or two ago, news said he had burns over 60% of his body.
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Sounding the roof gives f/fs an idea of the structural integrity of the building. Some folks like to use a pike pole others use a trash hook. It looks like he was using a trash hook. Its a good idea to use a roof ladder when doing that... keeps your body weight plus the 50+ lbs of turnout gear spread out.
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The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. I'm not a fireman but don't you run the risk of hitting a rafter and giving you a false sense of integrity? |
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No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. He was up there to vent the structure but should not have been. There was no risk to life and could easily have been vented by other means. |
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I'm not a fireman but don't you run the risk of hitting a rafter and giving you a false sense of integrity? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. I'm not a fireman but don't you run the risk of hitting a rafter and giving you a false sense of integrity? You sound a roof out and cut on either side of the rafter to create a hole. |
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. I'm not a fireman but don't you run the risk of hitting a rafter and giving you a false sense of integrity? That's why you have to do it a bunch and I'm using an axe. Although it looked from the video that some of the shingles were smoking from the heat underneath which would have been reason enough to walk off that part of the roof. Frankly unless there was a report of someone trapped I don't think I'd be playing that aggressive with that structure, the insurance company already owned it at that point. |
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Been in a ff family ever since I can remember. did it myself for a couple years before going .mil. venting a roof is a normal thing but they really need a couple guys min, one watching for signs of possible danger and the other doing it, It's a dangerous process.
My dad has fallen through roofs, down stairs, and the only time I know he had to go to er was from getting a hot ash in his eye. even had a brick from the chimney fall and hit top dead center of his helmet and to anyone that know how hard the helmets are it put a small dent in it. (He's still got the helmet) he's been the chief for over 18 years now (less physical danger but has to deal with keeping ff safe) Stay safe all Arfcom firefighters. |
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That's why you have to do it a bunch and I'm using an axe. Although it looked from the video that some of the shingles were smoking from the heat underneath which would have been reason enough to walk off that part of the roof. Frankly unless there was a report of someone trapped I don't think I'd be playing that aggressive with that structure, the insurance company already owned it at that point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. I'm not a fireman but don't you run the risk of hitting a rafter and giving you a false sense of integrity? That's why you have to do it a bunch and I'm using an axe. Although it looked from the video that some of the shingles were smoking from the heat underneath which would have been reason enough to walk off that part of the roof. Frankly unless there was a report of someone trapped I don't think I'd be playing that aggressive with that structure, the insurance company already owned it at that point. Agreed. It's just a garage. |
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You sound a roof out and cut on either side of the rafter to create a hole. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. The hitting the roof he was doing was to sound it to check the integrity not to knock holes in it, that would come later. Although a closet rake wouldn't be my preferred tool for the job. I'm not a fireman but don't you run the risk of hitting a rafter and giving you a false sense of integrity? You sound a roof out and cut on either side of the rafter to create a hole. I guess I'm imagining me sounding a wall to hang a picture...after poking at least 3 unneeded holes in my wall. |
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I agree with the posters above. I would not have been on that roof, nor would I have put anyone on it.
25 year vet should have known better. Complacency or arrogance. Still, he has my sympathy, no one should have to suffer that kind of hell. 60% 2cns & 3rd, he'll be lucky if he survives. |
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I agree with the posters above. I would not have been on that roof, nor would I have put anyone on it. 25 year vet should have known better. Complacency or arrogance. Still, he has my sympathy, no one should have to suffer that kind of hell. 60% 2cns & 3rd, he'll be lucky if he survives. View Quote Whoever sent him up should be kicked in the balls and fired. 20 years as a ff and counting. I'm also pissed about the slow looking response to get to him. |
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Also, him and the second guy go up top to presumably vent the roof with just a hook and an axe? Don't hang out on roofs, bring a chainsaw, cut the hole, get off. |
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Ugh Also, him and the second guy go up top to presumably vent the roof with just a hook and an axe? Don't hang out on roofs, bring a chainsaw, cut the hole, get off. View Quote Slow -mo the video, the LT was leading the way and sounding the roof, FF behind him was carrying a chain saw. Hard to see, but it's there. |
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1/2 a million population city in CA? What do you think? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are these guys vols or pros? 1/2 a million population city in CA? What do you think? I assume pros but it was an honest question. It doesn't matter to me either way I hope the ff fully recovers and this will just be a hell of a story for him to tell at the fire hall. ETA: your avatar is appropriate for this thread |
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He was up there to prevent the brothers underneath him from taking a beating.They had crews on the interior. Very few think of the firefighters on the inside a life hazard. IMHO vertical ventilation is the safest form of ventilation for the guys on the inside. I would never put a guy on a roof I wouldn't put guys under. With that being said, judging by the smoke conditions, I don't think they should have been interior either. . Then again this is a 25 yr vet of a truck that does roof work every shift. How can I say with the comparatively measly experience I have that I know better. Quoted:
He was up there to vent the structure but should not have been. There was no risk to life and could easily have been vented by other means. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. He was up there to vent the structure but should not have been. There was no risk to life and could easily have been vented by other means. |
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Whoever sent him up should be kicked in the balls and fired. 20 years as a ff and counting. I'm also pissed about the slow looking response to get to him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I agree with the posters above. I would not have been on that roof, nor would I have put anyone on it. 25 year vet should have known better. Complacency or arrogance. Still, he has my sympathy, no one should have to suffer that kind of hell. 60% 2cns & 3rd, he'll be lucky if he survives. Whoever sent him up should be kicked in the balls and fired. 20 years as a ff and counting. I'm also pissed about the slow looking response to get to him. Guy was a capt.....probably of a ladder company. My guess he decided to go do it with out direct orders. Tunnel vision, complacency or arrogance will get you hurt. There is another vid that shows guys ripping down the garage door ASAP when he goes. I think they moved as quick as possible. |
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I understand your point but nobody was in that garage. I would have been trying to make a stop at the door into the house from the garage. Rip down the garage door and hit the fire from the interior. He did not even ladder the roof from the side of the garage, he did it off the house.
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They had crews on the interior. Very few think of the firefighters on the inside a life hazard. IMHO vertical ventilation is the safest form of ventilation for the guys on the inside. I would never put a guy on a roof I wouldn't put guys under. With that being said judging by the smoke conditions, I don't think they should have been interior either. Then again this is a 25 yr vet of a truck that does roof work every shift. How can I say with the comparatively measly experience I have that I know better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
They had crews on the interior. Very few think of the firefighters on the inside a life hazard. IMHO vertical ventilation is the safest form of ventilation for the guys on the inside. I would never put a guy on a roof I wouldn't put guys under. With that being said judging by the smoke conditions, I don't think they should have been interior either. Then again this is a 25 yr vet of a truck that does roof work every shift. How can I say with the comparatively measly experience I have that I know better. Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. He was up there to vent the structure but should not have been. There was no risk to life and could easily have been vented by other means. |
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Firefighting is obviously an extremely dangerous task. All it takes is one mistake, one quick lapse in judgment, just a bit of complacency...and that fire will bite you on the ass. That is why we spend so much time training and performing case studies on incidents such as this.
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Yea, I think that that fire could have been handled differently all around. Open it up and hit it from the exterior. I do however hate the fact that this will be used to further the agenda of the anti-vertical ventilation crowd. I can hear the sound of the collective knee jerk by dozens of Chiefs across the country halting roof ops for the safety of truckies while the engine gets barbecued inside.
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I understand your point but nobody was in that garage. I would have been trying to make a stop at the door into the house from the garage. Rip down the garage door and hit the fire from the interior. He did not even ladder the roof from the side of the garage, he did it off the house. r View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I understand your point but nobody was in that garage. I would have been trying to make a stop at the door into the house from the garage. Rip down the garage door and hit the fire from the interior. He did not even ladder the roof from the side of the garage, he did it off the house. r Quoted:
They had crews on the interior. Very few think of the firefighters on the inside a life hazard. IMHO vertical ventilation is the safest form of ventilation for the guys on the inside. I would never put a guy on a roof I wouldn't put guys under. With that being said judging by the smoke conditions, I don't think they should have been interior either. Then again this is a 25 yr vet of a truck that does roof work every shift. How can I say with the comparatively measly experience I have that I know better. Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. He was up there to vent the structure but should not have been. There was no risk to life and could easily have been vented by other means. |
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Venting a roof is normal and beneficial in many circumstances. But this roof is clearly compromised. Bad decision by someone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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link cause I don't know how to imbed Terrible for the guy to be honest he never should have been up on the roof. No kidding. I don't know jack about fire fighting so maybe someone who does can chime in. Is it normal to walk around a garage roof with smoke billowing out trying to knock holes in it? Seems awful dangerous for a structure with no one inside in danger. That looked like a pretty disorganized crew. Didn't they ignore several warning signs that putting someone on the roof to vent would be a bad idea? |
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Firemen really do have a dangerous job. I pray for the safety of all of you, and especially this guy.
Okay, so what you are calling "venting" looks like backdraft to me. That flame was massive! I would never want to open a vent like that, let alone fall in it. I can't believe he survived at all. |
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Lost a relative many years ago when he and another fire fighter fell through a roof.
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Oh yeah, the bystanders are real helpful.
Shrieking Lady, and Mr Shaky Cam shouting suggestions even though he can't point a camera. Good jerb. |
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never should have been on the roof, it was compromised and in shit condition.
Most garages in CA have exposed trusses, there was a whole lot of fire in that garage. Rafters and sheeting both fucked. The IC messed up putting him there and he messed up by not saying "no" The garage was wasted, protect any exposes, cut a hole on the garage door or find a widow put water in the hole or window. |
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Firemen really do have a dangerous job. I pray for the safety of all of you, and especially this guy. Okay, so what you are calling "venting" looks like backdraft to me. That flame was massive! I would never want to open a vent like that, let alone fall in it. I can't believe he survived at all. View Quote The idea of ventilation is to provide the heat and fire products a controlled way out of the fire area. Vertical ventilation is the best method of doing this since it gets the hottest air out of the room in a manner in which physics wants it to. Done in a coordinated manner, where the vent team opens up the hole right before the attack team goes into the room it makes things a whole lot safer for the attack team and reduces damage while improving the survival chances of people caught in the room. |
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