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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:23:39 AM EDT
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Yes, climate change is real !!!!
It happens 4 times a year; Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter. .....other than that, the rest is bullshit. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:23:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:23:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see how 7bil people couldn't affect the environment....good lord...7 BILLION!!!!!!!! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:26:05 AM EDT
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No. World climate changes cyclically and we're about 100,000 years overdue. I don't think we help much though...  I do believe we pollute too much and use too much resources.
Man-made climate change is bullshit. This right here. I believe in being a good steward of the earth but man made climate change?    
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:26:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine how many dinosaurs were on the earth! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't see how 7bil people couldn't affect the environment....good lord...7 BILLION!!!!!!!! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:26:33 AM EDT
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I believe that the climate is changing. I believe that it is possible that human activity has had some affect. I don't believe that human activity is the cause of it. D This... |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:27:35 AM EDT
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Climate change is a fact of science, history and of historical geology. Climate change happens and there is a damn good chance that it is happening now.
Climate change is the reason that we have fossils of ammonites and plesiosaurs in Ft. Worth. Climate change is the reason that we have the Great Lakes and Niagra Falls. Hell, the Grand Canyon has been at the bottom of an ocean nine times in the history of our ball of mud. Has mankind caused climate change with 100 years of using the internal combustion engine? No. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:28:27 AM EDT
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Imagine how many dinosaurs were on the earth! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see how 7bil people couldn't affect the environment....good lord...7 BILLION!!!!!!!! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans. Yeah but all they were producing was methane....not industrial pollutants |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:29:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but all they were producing was methane....not industrial pollutants Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't see how 7bil people couldn't affect the environment....good lord...7 BILLION!!!!!!!! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans. Yeah but all they were producing was methane....not industrial pollutants What industrial pollutants, specifically, have impacted the global environment? |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:30:43 AM EDT
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Do humans alter the environment? Yes.
Do humans affect global climate? Yes. Am I confident in exactly what magnitude the human effect on global climate has relative to other factors? No, not yet. However, I have studied the topic in a formal way, and I do not think that the claims are without merit. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:35:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do humans alter the environment? Yes. Do humans affect global climate? Yes. Am I confident in exactly what magnitude the human effect on global climate has relative to other factors? No, not yet. However, I have studied the topic in a formal way, and I do not think that the claims are without merit. As have I. No one is saying there is zero impact. Every species has an impact. Humans have more of an impact. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:37:43 AM EDT
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Very good then! We can get to the crux of the issue. What industrial pollutants, specifically, have impacted the global environment? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see how 7bil people couldn't affect the environment....good lord...7 BILLION!!!!!!!! Here's a hint: many more times the number of humans. Yeah but all they were producing was methane....not industrial pollutants What industrial pollutants, specifically, have impacted the global environment? I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:38:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:41:27 AM EDT
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What's the increase in PPM over last 20 years on our atmosphere of SO2? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:45:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? The point I'm making is that unless we can examine the change in the short term, versus the long term, we can't be sure of it's impact. The earth has ways to dealing with chemical changes on a global scale, including SO2, which is released naturally in MASSIVE quantities through undersea and terrestrial volcanic activity. Much more than through any human manufacturing processes. One volcanic eruption of average scale would release more than 100 years of human activity by my estimation. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:45:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:50:25 AM EDT
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Show me on the doll what Al Gore exposed to you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? You just nasty minded Dave. 
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You just nasty minded Dave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know other than sulphur dioxide.. Hell...70mil yrs ago there were no ice caps at all.....but that's the difference between us and the Dinosaurs. Warming isn't the only climate problem we have. Beats the hell out of me...just saw on a documentary. Seemed valid the way they put it. I guess they were biased, right professor? You just nasty minded Dave. Sorry bro. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:09:49 AM EDT
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Which model SUV caused the last 4 ice ages to end?
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:13:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which model SUV caused the last 4 ice ages to end? Duh.  |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:13:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As have I. What claims, specifically? No one is saying there is zero impact. Every species has an impact. Humans have more of an impact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do humans alter the environment? Yes. Do humans affect global climate? Yes. Am I confident in exactly what magnitude the human effect on global climate has relative to other factors? No, not yet. However, I have studied the topic in a formal way, and I do not think that the claims are without merit. What claims, specifically? No one is saying there is zero impact. Every species has an impact. Humans have more of an impact. Exactly. Of course there is an impact. Everything has some kind of impact. The idea that "climate change" skeptics think that there isn't any impact is a strawman. The questions are how much impact and is it more than the systems can compensate for. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:32:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:35:41 AM EDT
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The climate was "changing" long before humans ever showed up, and it will continue to do so long after we are gone. At best, we can dream about nudging the needle one direction or another, but I really doubt we can put an end to warming, or cooling, or chaos, or whateverthefuck it's called now. These things go in cycles that are beyond whatever control we pretend to have.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:37:10 AM EDT
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Nope
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:43:34 AM EDT
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I see most of you using the phrase "climate change". Why do you play the liberal's game? Call it what it's really called, "Man made global warming". I refuse to call it climate change because that is not what liberals mean when they talk about climate change. They mean the world is going to get hotter and hotter until the ice caps melt and we are living in Waterworld.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 2:15:39 AM EDT
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Voted "no" as the closest answer.
Is the climate changing: Yes, always. Is it anthropogenic in nature: Probably somewhat. Probably not a majority. Is this bad: Probably benefits and drawbacks. Is this catastrophic: Probably not. Are there any solutions, if this is a problem: Nothing yet proposed, only taxes and penalties. Are there any problems with the credibility of the people reaching into my pocket: Yes, very much so. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 2:16:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Voted "no" as the closest answer. Is the climate changing: Yes, always. Is it anthropogenic in nature: Probably somewhat. Probably not a majority. Is this bad: Probably benefits and drawbacks. Is this catastrophic: Probably not. Are there any solutions, if this is a problem: Nothing yet proposed, only taxes and penalties. Are there any problems with the credibility of the people reaching into my pocket: Yes, very much so. Well said. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 2:18:49 AM EDT
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Seriously best answer yet. Well said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Voted "no" as the closest answer. Is the climate changing: Yes, always. Is it anthropogenic in nature: Probably somewhat. Probably not a majority. Is this bad: Probably benefits and drawbacks. Is this catastrophic: Probably not. Are there any solutions, if this is a problem: Nothing yet proposed, only taxes and penalties. Are there any problems with the credibility of the people reaching into my pocket: Yes, very much so. Well said. Agreed 100% |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 5:39:54 AM EDT
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The reason I think most of us are skeptical about climate change politics is that capitalism is always the target. If it were such a huge issue, you'd think that the people who are concerned about it would use capitalism—the only proven mechanism to change society—to meet their goals. They usually don't. Any time a truly voluntary choice is given for me to be "green" is given, I take it. I like those ideas. When the climate issues are framed as an economic crisis, I reject them.
Want to save the world? Appeal to the free market. Fuck socialism. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 5:49:52 AM EDT
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TBH I don't think the scientists know what the fuck is going. There are simply too many reports of climatologists manipulating data to make it appear that there is climate change, and than there are the reports that I've seen that claim no increase in the average temperature of the earth for the past decade or so...
My personal opinion is that if there is any climate change going on, it's natural and cyclical and mans contribution to it is minimal but not non-existant. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 7:36:27 AM EDT
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holy crap do you have a lot of posts. 
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Think about what the actions of seven billon ants can do. now think about your average human and what he/she can do Now tell me that seven billion humans cant change the earth with a straight face and ill call you a liar  We can change the earth. Not the climate, though. So is earths climate not part of the earth? Of course it is. Is it really so hard to believe that seven billion human beings have had a impact of the earths atmosphere? I would think that aside from internal combustion, cow farts, hipster cologne and what ever else seven billion people simply existing should have some impact on the planet You think way too much of humanity's influence on the earth. holy crap do you have a lot of posts.
just saw that I am also member #1250. 
Been here since the boards before these. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:13:19 AM EDT
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Broncosaurus Duh.
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Which model SUV caused the last 4 ice ages to end? Duh.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:16:30 AM EDT
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I definitley think we cause an impact. I don't think its as big of a deal as they make it I do believe in local or regional impacts but not worldwide. Not climate change but environment changed by pollution. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:26:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think about what the actions of seven billon ants can do. now think about your average human and what he/she can do Now tell me that seven billion humans cant change the earth with a straight face and ill call you a liar |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:32:22 AM EDT
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Nope. http://static.rappler.com/images/harbin-china-smog-20131022-epa-sml.jpg Nada. http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131021&t=2&i=804668145&w=1200&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE99K0G9C00 No man made effects on climate here. https://timeecocentric.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/131025-nasa-space-china-smog.jpg?w=600 Mankind cannot change climate. Period. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:39:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe in climate change. But we are fucking guests on this planet. And we are totally fucking shitting on it unfortunately. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:42:01 AM EDT
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Yes! Just like early human activity caused the Ice Age to begin and end. All those polluting Neanderthal cars and factories producing Ozone and CO2.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:43:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:43:35 AM EDT
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I believe that some people are doing everything they can to make me believe it.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:44:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:51:19 AM EDT
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And the Titanic is unsinkable...
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:21:42 AM EDT
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just as soon as a scientist and a politician come together to find a "solution" to supposed man made climate change, that does not involve the destruction of the US economy, I might start taking it seriously. Until that point it is a bunch of smoke and mirrors and made up garbage.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:29:16 AM EDT
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Not sure what you are saying. I can kill 7 billion ants in a day with a single XL can of WD40 and a lighter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Think about what the actions of seven billon ants can do. now think about your average human and what he/she can do Now tell me that seven billion humans cant change the earth with a straight face and ill call you a liar I am pretty sure all 7 billion ants live in my yard. You are welcome to all of them. No, I do not believe in human made climate change. Hell, the climate has changed very dramatically over the last 2000 years as evidence by what and were the Romans had built. The sea level is down by an extreme amount from even the time of Constantinople around 1400-800 years ago. Did the Romans cause that with their multi horse chariots? |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:30:28 AM EDT
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Droughty Pie.
I believe in it, but not how people currently view it. I believe climate change exists, but not due to "greenhouse gases". I believe it is FAR more likely that it is caused by the miles and miles and miles of freeways, parking lots, and other urban developments that have resulted in huge "heatsinks" that absorb heat from the sun and release it into the atmosphere overnight. Areas like Phoenix are 20-30 degrees hotter at night now than they were in the 70s. That HAS to raise temps overall without a mechanism to offset it somehow. It also is likely to increase evaporation which would result in more water as vapor in the global system, as less as liquid. Wait....isn't that's what's happening?
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:34:53 AM EDT
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 = Human caused climate change.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:41:22 AM EDT
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After I saw "Mother Earth" deal with that oil spill in the gulf a few years back, I don't think she thinks we're as significant and influential as we like to think we are. Yep, i the immediate area of the spill, there was some damage, true, but mother nature deals with this all the time. The press won't publish it, but there is NATURAL oil seepage in the gulf estimated to be the equivalent of an oil tanker full each year. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:41:56 AM EDT
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The true sign that it's all bullshit is how it goes from Global Cooling
to Global Warming to Climate Change...
Since the scientific data didn't match the first two crisis models the new name means it can be anything they want it to be now. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:43:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Droughty Pie. I believe in it, but not how people currently view it. I believe climate change exists, but not due to "greenhouse gases". I believe it is FAR more likely that it is caused by the miles and miles and miles of freeways, parking lots, and other urban developments that have resulted in huge "heatsinks" that absorb heat from the sun and release it into the atmosphere overnight. Areas like Phoenix are 20-30 degrees hotter at night now than they were in the 70s. That HAS to raise temps overall without a mechanism to offset it somehow. It also is likely to increase evaporation which would result in more water as vapor in the global system, as less as liquid. Wait....isn't that's what's happening? We are seeing record rainfalls, and record low temperatures. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:46:47 AM EDT
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No.
Its all part of the sustainability plan and one world order. They can go fuck themselves. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:48:48 AM EDT
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stupid poll. Caused and contribute to are too different things.
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