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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:42:42 PM EDT
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You all take the internet way to seriously.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:43:35 PM EDT
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Honesty most of Extorris posts both remind me of the fact that there are good guys out there, while somehow enforcing the bad cop stereotype at the same time. It's fucking amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Extorris and runcible are a good reminder that not all NY cops are power hungry Constitution shitting assholes. Another of the NY cops reminded me that many of them are. Honesty most of Extorris posts both remind me of the fact that there are good guys out there, while somehow enforcing the bad cop stereotype at the same time. It's fucking amazing. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:45:03 PM EDT
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Yep. Every one of what I would consider "bad cops" have been shit-canned at my Dept. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But police agencies COULD get rid of the turds, but they don't. My department fired tons of guys every year. Every one of what I would consider "bad cops" have been shit-canned at my Dept. While that may be true, I'm wondering how many were fired because they didn't toe the line. After all, who wants a partner who may or may not 'have his back.'.. But, since no formal records are kept of that... Overall though... no change for me. I've known and understood power corrupts before my days here. No differently than our founders did. That's why they set it up so all we had to do was pay attention and the Republic would survive. There are simply certain things which politicians aren't going to tell the truth about. Same with LEO. It's human nature. Those who disagree, don't want us paying attention. I have always respected the work they do though and am truly amazed at how they are able to refrain from snuffing the life out of a turd who just raped or killed a kid. Or many other of the horrific shit 'humans' will do to the innocent or weak. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:45:55 PM EDT
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ITT: Confirmation bias. Probably this. Its easy to see the memebers here don't like police. That's why a dead dog thread gets 8 pages or response and a dead cop thread only 2 pages. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:48:30 PM EDT
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Ive seen some troll, but I have also seen business owners, computer nerds and mechanics troll so I ignore those ones. Ive seen others act like real humans who I can relate to. That makes me feel better about police.... SO its improved. Although I still don't trust them.. Business owners, computer nerds, and mechanics usually won't shoot your dog out of hand. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While that may be true, I'm wondering how many were fired because they didn't toe the line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But police agencies COULD get rid of the turds, but they don't. My department fired tons of guys every year. Every one of what I would consider "bad cops" have been shit-canned at my Dept. While that may be true, I'm wondering how many were fired because they didn't toe the line. Never that I know of. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:55:35 PM EDT
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Most of the LE on this board seem pretty solid, but they aren't nearly enough to balance out the overwhelmingly negative personal experiences I've had with LE and the general mindset that I've seen within the LE community.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:59:58 PM EDT
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While that may be true, I'm wondering how many were fired because they didn't toe the line. The guys I worked with who were fired got shitcanned because they didn't toe the line in regards to not doing drugs, not driving drunk, not beating the shit out of their wife, and not committing various felonies and misdemeanors. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:03:13 PM EDT
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So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit?
Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group.  |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:05:52 PM EDT
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So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. don't forget muslims and terrorists in your list. haha that will go over like a lead balloon here. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:06:43 PM EDT
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So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. Next thing you know, we'll be judging entire states based on their elected representatives.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next thing you know, we'll be judging entire states based on their elected representatives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. Next thing you know, we'll be judging entire states based on their elected representatives.  |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:10:17 PM EDT
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lol.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:11:10 PM EDT
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You all take the internet way to seriously. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:16:37 PM EDT
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So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. VacaDuck I would like you to meet GD. GD this is VacaDuck. You two play nice now. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: VacaDuck I would like you to meet GD. GD this is VacaDuck. You two play nice now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. VacaDuck I would like you to meet GD. GD this is VacaDuck. You two play nice now. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:26:49 PM EDT
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My department fired tons of guys every year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But police agencies COULD get rid of the turds, but they don't. My department fired tons of guys every year. Same here. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:30:20 PM EDT
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Extorris and runcible are a good reminder that not all NY cops are power hungry Constitution shitting assholes. Another of the NY cops reminded me that many of them are. Honesty most of Extorris posts both remind me of the fact that there are good guys out there, while somehow enforcing the bad cop stereotype at the same time. It's fucking amazing. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:31:57 PM EDT
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You all take the internet way to seriously. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:41:04 PM EDT
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Are you asking if people were fired because they weren't willing to play along? Never that I know of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But police agencies COULD get rid of the turds, but they don't. My department fired tons of guys every year. Every one of what I would consider "bad cops" have been shit-canned at my Dept. While that may be true, I'm wondering how many were fired because they didn't toe the line. After all, who wants a partner who may or may not 'have his back.'.. But, since no formal records are kept of that... Overall though... no change for me. I've known and understood power corrupts before my days here. No differently than our founders did. That's why they set it up so all we had to do was pay attention and the Republic would survive. There are simply certain things which politicians aren't going to tell the truth about. Same with LEO. It's human nature. Those who disagree, don't want us paying attention. I have always respected the work they do though and am truly amazed at how they are able to refrain from snuffing the life out of a turd who just raped or killed a kid. Or many other of the horrific shit 'humans' will do to the innocent or weak. Never that I know of. I don't expect you to even acknowledge what I'm talking about. 
As evidenced by what you chose to delete from my post and then attempt to get me to go down a different road. Again. Human nature. 
So, I took the liberty of adding it back in. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:46:56 PM EDT
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Or ARF members based on number of stars. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. Next thing you know, we'll be judging entire states based on their elected representatives.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:53:21 PM EDT
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I have a much better understanding of their job, than I did a decade ago. This^^^^^ exactly. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:53:50 PM EDT
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Before arfcom I supported police without question, reflexively. After joining arfcom and seeing how LEOs responded to YouTube videos of police abusing their authority and civilians, my opinion began to change. It seems like every shoot is a good shoot, every beat down, every choking or head stomping is good. I began to see that the blue line was very real, and many police have an us vs. them mentality. My wife has noticed it and often comments about how my attitude toward the police has changed so much. I am still inclined to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt, but I am also more willing to criticize any failure on their part to maintain a very high standard of professional behavior. Meh, many here just don't want their confirmation bias challenged with facts and insight, which is usually the problem in 90% of LE threads here. You just don't like the answers, and ultimately that is your problem. You can't go to any LE thread and not see the ridiculous blanket condemnations and hyperbole directed at the profession based on one incident....and often times a poor understanding of said incident legally and as pertains to the use of force (which quite frankly most people don't understand.) Given that, I think the cops here do fine, and I would not blame them one bit for just throwing up their hands and do nothing but troll threads with jokes, etc. That sword cuts both ways. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:58:36 PM EDT
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The more I hear cops vent and the attitudes they have, the more I want to pull the plug on the whole system and start over. (As in stop funding a police department through tax dollars.)
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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:59:05 PM EDT
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Meh, many here just don't want their confirmation bias challenged with facts and insight, which is usually the problem in 90% of LE threads here. You just don't like the answers, and ultimately that is your problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before arfcom I supported police without question, reflexively. After joining arfcom and seeing how LEOs responded to YouTube videos of police abusing their authority and civilians, my opinion began to change. It seems like every shoot is a good shoot, every beat down, every choking or head stomping is good. I began to see that the blue line was very real, and many police have an us vs. them mentality. My wife has noticed it and often comments about how my attitude toward the police has changed so much. I am still inclined to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt, but I am also more willing to criticize any failure on their part to maintain a very high standard of professional behavior. Meh, many here just don't want their confirmation bias challenged with facts and insight, which is usually the problem in 90% of LE threads here. You just don't like the answers, and ultimately that is your problem. If you don't like Obama's answers, ultimately that's your problem. See how that works. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 6:04:11 PM EDT
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If you don't like Obama's answers, ultimately that's your problem. See how that works. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before arfcom I supported police without question, reflexively. After joining arfcom and seeing how LEOs responded to YouTube videos of police abusing their authority and civilians, my opinion began to change. It seems like every shoot is a good shoot, every beat down, every choking or head stomping is good. I began to see that the blue line was very real, and many police have an us vs. them mentality. My wife has noticed it and often comments about how my attitude toward the police has changed so much. I am still inclined to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt, but I am also more willing to criticize any failure on their part to maintain a very high standard of professional behavior. Meh, many here just don't want their confirmation bias challenged with facts and insight, which is usually the problem in 90% of LE threads here. You just don't like the answers, and ultimately that is your problem. If you don't like Obama's answers, ultimately that's your problem. See how that works. No, that doesn't work but nice try. When people do not understand legalities and the use of force, it is hardly akin to Obama's political opinions. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 6:09:08 PM EDT
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No, that doesn't work but nice try. When people do not understand legalities and the use of force, it is hardly akin to Obama's political opinions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before arfcom I supported police without question, reflexively. After joining arfcom and seeing how LEOs responded to YouTube videos of police abusing their authority and civilians, my opinion began to change. It seems like every shoot is a good shoot, every beat down, every choking or head stomping is good. I began to see that the blue line was very real, and many police have an us vs. them mentality. My wife has noticed it and often comments about how my attitude toward the police has changed so much. I am still inclined to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt, but I am also more willing to criticize any failure on their part to maintain a very high standard of professional behavior. Meh, many here just don't want their confirmation bias challenged with facts and insight, which is usually the problem in 90% of LE threads here. You just don't like the answers, and ultimately that is your problem. If you don't like Obama's answers, ultimately that's your problem. See how that works. No, that doesn't work but nice try. When people do not understand legalities and the use of force, it is hardly akin to Obama's political opinions. That's what lawyers ( politicians ) say about so many things. And they twist shit around knowing that their machine can outspend the average person in defense of the spin. ETA: Which side of the machine cuts your paycheck ?
Human nature. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 6:13:16 PM EDT
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Dealing with cops is like a box of chocolates. Try working with them.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 6:30:03 PM EDT
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Try working with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dealing with cops is like a box of chocolates. Try working with them. No thanks, I am too old to meet the hiring requirements. Oh, I also couldn't stand the pay cut.
I will say this, the old school cops just beat you up or slammed you around a bit and then cut you loose. These days, you are taking a ride for those same things. It makes one a little conflicted on which way is better. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 6:41:39 PM EDT
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No thanks, I am too old to meet the hiring requirements. Oh, I also couldn't stand the pay cut.
I will say this, the old school cops just beat you up or slammed you around a bit and then cut you loose. These days, you are taking a ride for those same things. It makes one a little conflicted on which way is better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dealing with cops is like a box of chocolates. Try working with them. No thanks, I am too old to meet the hiring requirements. Oh, I also couldn't stand the pay cut.
I will say this, the old school cops just beat you up or slammed you around a bit and then cut you loose. These days, you are taking a ride for those same things. It makes one a little conflicted on which way is better. Yep a product of the times and the fact just about every crime has an advocacy group pushing an agenda. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 8:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or ARF members based on number of stars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. Next thing you know, we'll be judging entire states based on their elected representatives. What's that one, big orange-ish looking star under your avatar? Is that like the training wheels of ARFCOM membership? |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 8:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't expect you to even acknowledge what I'm talking about. As evidenced by what you chose to delete from my post and then attempt to get me to go down a different road. Again. Human nature. So, I took the liberty of adding it back in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you asking if people were fired because they weren't willing to play along? Never that I know of. I don't expect you to even acknowledge what I'm talking about. As evidenced by what you chose to delete from my post and then attempt to get me to go down a different road. Again. Human nature. So, I took the liberty of adding it back in. No ulterior motive. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 9:07:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably this. Its easy to see the memebers here don't like police. That's why a dead dog thread gets 8 pages or response and a dead cop thread only 2 pages. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ITT: Confirmation bias. Probably this. Its easy to see the memebers here don't like police. That's why a dead dog thread gets 8 pages or response and a dead cop thread only 2 pages. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 9:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's that one, big orange-ish looking star under your avatar? Is that like the training wheels of ARFCOM membership? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So we are to judge an entire profession on the 10% (being overly generous on purpose) that say and do stupid shit? Is every Christian to be judged based on the actions of the Westboro retards? Is every Hispanic to be judged by the MS13 gang members actions? Do we judge the .mil by the actions of Nidal Hasan? Blame the individual, not the group. Next thing you know, we'll be judging entire states based on their elected representatives. What's that one, big orange-ish looking star under your avatar? Is that like the training wheels of ARFCOM membership? |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:06:47 PM EDT
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On GD? My opinion of LEOs has decreased greatly reading some of the LEO responses in threads. I realize the respondents may be a skewed sample, but it gave me a troubling glimpse into the mindset of at least some cops. This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: On GD? My opinion of LEOs has decreased greatly reading some of the LEO responses in threads. I realize the respondents may be a skewed sample, but it gave me a troubling glimpse into the mindset of at least some cops. This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know. There's this one simple trick you can use to control whether you have contact with the cops at all. But I'm not going to tell you what it is. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:11:38 PM EDT
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There's this one simple trick you can use to control whether you have contact with the cops at all. But I'm not going to tell you what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On GD? My opinion of LEOs has decreased greatly reading some of the LEO responses in threads. I realize the respondents may be a skewed sample, but it gave me a troubling glimpse into the mindset of at least some cops. This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know.
There's this one simple trick you can use to control whether you have contact with the cops at all. But I'm not going to tell you what it is. No joiner? |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:32:57 PM EDT
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No joiner? 
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:01:16 AM EDT
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This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know.
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On GD? My opinion of LEOs has decreased greatly reading some of the LEO responses in threads. I realize the respondents may be a skewed sample, but it gave me a troubling glimpse into the mindset of at least some cops. This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know.
Cops have no control over what type of people they will have contact with. People can kill or fuck a cop's life up for decades even if they don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all people are that way but you can't know.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:07:45 AM EDT
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My views on Cops have neither improved nor gone down hill. My understanding of the stuff they do and their rationale for doing it, has improved, slightly.
It's a job, which we need done, which I suppose I wouldn't like. A better question might be, "how has becoming a cop affected your view of the general public/people?" The answer won't be very flattering. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:08:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops have no control over what type of people they will have contact with. People can kill or fuck a cop's life up for decades even if they don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all people are that way but you can't know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: On GD? My opinion of LEOs has decreased greatly reading some of the LEO responses in threads. I realize the respondents may be a skewed sample, but it gave me a troubling glimpse into the mindset of at least some cops. This! You have no control over what type of cop you will have contact with. They can kill you or fuck your life up for decades even if you don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all of them are that way but you can't know. Cops have no control over what type of people they will have contact with. People can kill or fuck a cop's life up for decades even if they don't deserve it and get by with it. I am not saying all people are that way but you can't know. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:14:44 AM EDT
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I see the troll posts and gives me a more negative opinion of the cop bashers not the cops. Like any segment of society though, there's bad apples in every bunch
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:16:52 AM EDT
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After having been a assistant prosecutor for over a decade, LEO posts on Arf merely reinforce my existing opinion - LEO's are individuals.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:20:21 AM EDT
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After having been a assistant prosecutor for over a decade, LEO posts on Arf merely reinforce my existing opinion - LEO's are individuals. Crazy isn't it? Who would have thought? |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:23:13 AM EDT
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It made me realize how truly human cops are. And that we share a similar sense of humor. So what are you trying to say? 
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:25:19 AM EDT
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My experience with cops in the real world has yielded a net positive.
My experience with cops in GD has yielded a net negative. Then again, during a positive experience at a traffic stop or something, I'm not going to say "so Officer Bob, how do you feel about the latest chokehold video?" My opinion may or may not change after the response.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:25:28 AM EDT
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Nah it hasn't changed my opinion, most are really good guys but some are idiots.
But I am kinda surprised at the one's that come to this forum to play cop here too. It's kinda sad really...I know quite a few LEO's and the last thing they would do is get off work and troll an internet forum like some do here. Seems its not just a job for some, its all they have I guess.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:36:23 AM EDT
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That whole fiasco... were you all just trying to outdo our tank clusterfuck? Oh I think it blew that out of the water. Just GET BOTH. What he said. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:48:55 AM EDT
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Meh, you never even know if someone is who they say they are.
Plenty of trolls out there, and in here. One things for sure. There are a-holes in all walks of life. That said..... I have grown to respect many of the regulars here. |
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