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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:52:37 PM EDT
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I guess a lifetime of COD matches and fapping to Internet porn doesn't translate to "tech skills."
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:52:50 PM EDT
[#2]
A lot of people think they have "tech skills" because they can run their FB account and post on twitter.
Ask one of those types about the OSI Model and you will get a "WUT?  " face.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:54:19 PM EDT
[#3]
How did they score on white privilege and diversity?
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:54:32 PM EDT
[#4]
Probably because they're too busy learning useless, unmarketable shit in grade school and college
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:56:17 PM EDT
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Yep, Johnny 'got a trophy at school for not stabbing the teacher' Milennial is hot shit with his android phone tweeking parameters on apps someone with real tech skill wrote.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:57:27 PM EDT
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A lot of people think they have "tech skills" because they can run their FB account and post on twitter. I've worked technical fields my whole life. Its not JUST that I'm getting old and grumpy, the people coming up a decade behind me are... Useless. 
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:57:37 PM EDT
[#7]
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Probably because they're too busy learning useless, unmarketable shit in grade school and college Most does not equal all. But good God those sample questions are easy. My generation is doomed if they can't figure this stuff out. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:57:41 PM EDT
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Well... yea. The iPhone changed the world. In many ways for the better, but it also destroyed peoples abilities to just focus on one topic. Millennial are the "multi-task" generation. Thing is, multi-tasking is bullshit, and doesn't work. A world of constant new inputs, interruptions, and new data streams - means that people no longer have the ability to just focus, and so don't have the ability to think.
It's not just Millennial's - all of our brains are being rewired this way. Their challenge is they didn't grow up any other way. If I were hiring a new employee today - a poor farm kid who couldn't afford a smart phone, and then went to college, would get very close scrutiny from me as being a potentially excellent candidate. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:58:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people think they have "tech skills" because they can run their FB account and post on twitter. Was just about to post something similar. They're really good at Facebook and texting but that's about it. They don't consider messing up a big deal because they expect that either someone else will fix it for them or they will get a chance to do it over. On the plus side, they have solid keyboard skills and are fast typers. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:59:26 PM EDT
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I didn't participate, but the examples given in the article are insanely easy to answer correctly.
Take the test: http://www.oecd.org/site/piaac/educationandskillsonlineassessment.htm |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:01:35 PM EDT
[#11]
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I didn't participate, but the examples given in the article are insanely easy to answer correctly.
Take the test: http://www.oecd.org/site/piaac/educationandskillsonlineassessment.htm People are really failing this? This is painfully depressing. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:01:37 PM EDT
[#12]
Just need to let them know it's not their fault
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:01:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted: The challenge is that, in literacy, U.S. millennials scored higher than only three countries. I looked at some sample questions, it seems pretty easy which is disheartening. At least we were ahead of England and Ireland |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:04:20 PM EDT
[#14]
I hate my generation.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:05:02 PM EDT
[#15]
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Was just about to post something similar. They're really good at Facebook and texting but that's about it. They don't consider messing up a big deal because they expect that either someone else will fix it for them or they will get a chance to do it over. On the plus side, they have solid keyboard skills and are fast typers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lot of people think they have "tech skills" because they can run their FB account and post on twitter. Was just about to post something similar. They're really good at Facebook and texting but that's about it. They don't consider messing up a big deal because they expect that either someone else will fix it for them or they will get a chance to do it over. On the plus side, they have solid keyboard skills and are fast typers. That type of person misidentifies skill as an end user with knowing how any of it "works". Funny how when they have a computer issue and try to describe the problem it is on the level of "the magic box does not work anymore.." but they have "computer skills".
Kind of like someone thinking they are a car expert b/c they can drive one and put gas in the tank, but have no clue how an internal combustion engine operates, how their transmission functions or anything deeper then just making it "work". |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:06:35 PM EDT
[#16]
Problem-solving is severely lacking in many; let's not even talk about logic and critical thinking.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:08:36 PM EDT
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That can't be right. Those can't be the real questions. Who were they testing, people with downs syndrome and stroke victims?
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:08:41 PM EDT
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Quoted:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/02/u-s-millennials-post-abysmal-scores-in-tech-skills-test-lag-behind-foreign-peers/?wpisrc=nl_evening&wpmm=1 U.S. millennials, defined as people 16 to 34 years old, were supposed to be different. They’re digital natives. They get it. High achievement is part of their makeup. But the ETS study found signs of trouble, with its authors warning that the nation was at a crossroads: "We can decide to accept the current levels of mediocrity and inequality or we can decide to address the skills challenge head on.” The challenge is that, in literacy, U.S. millennials scored higher than only three countries. 
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:09:13 PM EDT
[#19]
I'll bet they have very high self esteem.
And why would you think that this outcome is a problem? Its exactly what the leftists want. They will cull out the useless ones once they have their power consolidated, and our elections are as meaningful as the ones in cuba or saddam's iraq. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:09:18 PM EDT
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What we need to do is double down on Common Core, it is obviously working so well that only more of it can fix this problem.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:09:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Mom made sure little Johnny would never work a day in his life, now he can't.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:09:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Well... well... then the TEST is flawed, that's it, that's GOT to be it... 'cause OUR kids are WINNERS... ALL of them....
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:10:56 PM EDT
[#23]
FPNI
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:12:12 PM EDT
[#24]
The results of the dumbing down of America is starting to show itself.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:12:25 PM EDT
[#25]
I would tend to believe that MIllenials are not tech savvy. Just because they can run an app on their phone or use Visual Basic doesnt mean they can actually program that shit to run using logic. It is the generation before them that actually drive the tech bus under the covers.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:12:36 PM EDT
[#26]
without a demographic breakdown the results are meaningless
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:13:19 PM EDT
[#27]
What's the breakdown by race and gender?
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:16:13 PM EDT
[#28]
I hired a helper, 22yo kid who didn't know how to attach a PDF to a email.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:16:54 PM EDT
[#29]
Since GD is incapable of clicking links, I will post this picture.
BEHOLD, an example question: 
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:18:06 PM EDT
[#30]
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What's the breakdown by race and gender? I fucking telling you, IT DOESNT MATTER. Male, female, black, white, hispanic.... It's the entire age bracket. I work with a diverse group over 40: kickass and we get stuff done. When it's 20-35: "umm... it stopped" Me: "well what does it do right before that process starts?, we must be missing 'that' " Deer. In. Headlights. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:18:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since GD is incapable of clicking links, I will post this picture. BEHOLD, an example question: http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac/images/sample_lit1.gif |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:19:51 PM EDT
[#32]
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without a demographic breakdown the results are meaningless You would think so, but, NO.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:20:44 PM EDT
[#33]
I feel like none of these questions have anything to do with tech.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:22:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Lord knows the Arfcom grammar nazis are trying their hardest. It's an uphill battle, and one they are apparently losing.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:22:22 PM EDT
[#35]
User-friendliness and the smartphone killed the teenage hacker. There's nothing to have to figure out any more. Like a previous poster said, the "magic box" just works.
Having to explain things like a directory tree or file extensions to those whose first OS was Windows XP is like speaking in fucking tongues. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:26:36 PM EDT
[#36]
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User-friendliness and the smartphone killed the teenage hacker. There's nothing to have to figure out any more. Like a previous poster said, the "magic box" just works. Having to explain things like a directory tree or file extensions to those whose first OS was Windows XP is like speaking in fucking tongues. Removing malware with something as simple as RootKill is seen as performing a miracle.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:28:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Please tell me those sample questions were dumbed down.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:28:10 PM EDT
[#38]
I wonder how this generation compares to previous generations at the same age.
My coding skills were nonexistent when I was 20 Y/O. Most of the boomers I know can't successfully run a DVD player. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:28:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:30:16 PM EDT
[#40]
I hate computers, can barely look up porn that's why I work construction.
I was going to take the test but it doesn't work on my little magic box so I gave up
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:31:57 PM EDT
[#41]
One of the comments on the article:
No, black and Hispanic Millennial scores were abysmal. White and Asian Americans scores were right at the average of the OECD. Not great, but not bad. Average. Although white and Asian Americans didn't do as well here, they generally do quite well when compared their ethic/racial counterparts around the world, i.e. Asian Americans do better most Asians and white Americans do better than most Europeans. Look, around the world test scores invariably look like this: 1. NE Asians/Asian Americans 2. Europeans/White Americans 3. Hispanics 4. Africans If your test-taking population is 55% white/20% Hispanic/15% black/5% NE Asian/5% other, your test scores will trail countries that are 90%+ NE Asian or European. It's not that your schools are failing or this generation just doesn't work hard enough. Your just getting the typical scores of each group. Now, you can argue all day as to why those rankings never change, but the fact is that they don't and, so far, nobody in any country has figured out how to get Hispanics to consistently score as high as NE Asians. Schools in the U.S. can't, schools in Mexico can't, schools in Argentina can't. Maybe they will in the future, but for now, they don't. As a result, hand-wringing articles and studies about how U.S. kids are inexplicably falling behind their peers around the world are disingenuous. The reason why U.S. kids in aggregate are doing worse that European and NE Asians kids is because European and NE Asian kids only make up a little over half our test takers. It reminds me of the crime/demographics video comparing crime in US and Canada as well as demographics. ETA: Based on the OECD website (p114), it doesn't look like they collected race/ethnic information in the survey. But they did collect country of origin information. p 125 |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:33:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Fuck! I'm 34
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:33:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Most of my college juniors don't really know how to use excel.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:35:59 PM EDT
[#44]
yep, they're losing it as far a education and application skill.
Had a niece the other day post how she was given a collateral ring by her boyfriend. Showed a picture of it, two hands holding a heart topped by a crown.
I'm am far from a perfect speller but damned if these kids barely come close on FB anymore and I'm not talking the intentional spelling shortcuts. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:36:33 PM EDT
[#45]
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I didn't participate, but the examples given in the article are insanely easy to answer correctly.
Take the test: http://www.oecd.org/site/piaac/educationandskillsonlineassessment.htm Site's down. It must be ran by Millennials.
And no, I'm not surprised. Look at the rampant unemployment/underemployment, large percentage living at home, and majority voting for Obama.
This goes along with the dumbass thread about how the GOP needs to change because of the beliefs of the young Americans. They're fucking idiots, and following their lead will result in an even larger disaster than we currently have in our country. And before the dumbasses come in here getting all butthurt because they can't comprehend that they may be the exception to the rule, and start trying to point the finger, it's largely the fault of their parents for having better things to do than raise their children. Have a nice day! 
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
One of the comments on the article: It reminds me of the crime/demographics video comparing crime in US and Canada as well as demographics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
One of the comments on the article: No, black and Hispanic Millennial scores were abysmal. White and Asian Americans scores were right at the average of the OECD. Not great, but not bad. Average. Although white and Asian Americans didn't do as well here, they generally do quite well when compared their ethic/racial counterparts around the world, i.e. Asian Americans do better most Asians and white Americans do better than most Europeans. Look, around the world test scores invariably look like this: 1. NE Asians/Asian Americans 2. Europeans/White Americans 3. Hispanics 4. Africans If your test-taking population is 55% white/20% Hispanic/15% black/5% NE Asian/5% other, your test scores will trail countries that are 90%+ NE Asian or European. It's not that your schools are failing or this generation just doesn't work hard enough. Your just getting the typical scores of each group. Now, you can argue all day as to why those rankings never change, but the fact is that they don't and, so far, nobody in any country has figured out how to get Hispanics to consistently score as high as NE Asians. Schools in the U.S. can't, schools in Mexico can't, schools in Argentina can't. Maybe they will in the future, but for now, they don't. As a result, hand-wringing articles and studies about how U.S. kids are inexplicably falling behind their peers around the world are disingenuous. The reason why U.S. kids in aggregate are doing worse that European and NE Asians kids is because European and NE Asian kids only make up a little over half our test takers. It reminds me of the crime/demographics video comparing crime in US and Canada as well as demographics. How dare you imply that the anointed minorities might be the cause of low national test scores and high crime rates... That is totally racist. I assure you, nothing could be further from the truth. The tests simply demonstrate the racism inherent to the system. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:37:56 PM EDT
[#47]
Good. Us Gen-X'ers don't need any more competition for jobs anyway!
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:38:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Don't worry, they will re-normalize the achievement tests like they did the SAT under Clinton.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:39:04 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What we need to do is double down on Common Core, it is obviously working so well that only more of it can fix this problem.  |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:39:46 PM EDT
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Common core in action.
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