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   The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

   — Adolf Hitler, from Hitler's Table Talk (1941–1944)

This was missing from the site whatshisface above was grabbing his quotes from.

What an idiot. He didn't consider just how much rationalization people are capable of.

Godwin's Law.

Any "Christian" sympathies in Nazi Germany were more or less on an individual/ personal basis.  The regime or Nazi governmental organization only was interested in Christianity's usefulness to the state and how it could be re-formed into something the state could control and benefit from.  The party was interested in religion only in that it could use the churches as tools of the state to further the goals of the state.  Playing on religious themes and sympathies to control and inspire people towards the party but in reality, not particularly religious at all.  There was a lot of religious persecution of Christians that you don't read about in the history books.  There weren’t just Jews in those camps.
Himmler tried to elevate Nazism to a religious level with his incorporation of Norse mythology.  I don't think it was widely accepted but it was a deliberate attempt to make Nazism more than just a political philosophy to the average German.  To him, the merging of the party's political ideas into a religion was a very important and powerful thing.  Luckily I think, he met resistance from some in the party who were either atheists or purely interested in keeping it just about the politics.  I sometimes wonder if Hitler had waited and not gone into Poland, or if the west had let him just have it and not gone to all out general war in Europe, would the Nazis have been able to manufacture a religion out of their ideas where the Reich and German superiority were seen by the average German as being divinely inspired in some way.  Making the Reich into the church.  This would have taken a little time but maybe not as long as one might think.  This could have made the war harder to win for us if it had been successful.

That would be incorrect. Some Germans and some Nazis were Christians.
However the Nazi cause and the motivation for WWII was not religious, therefore it is incorrect to call them Christian terrorists or to attribute the Holocaust to Christianity.

In the same way, it is incorrect to attribute wars or genocide to atheism when the leaders or participants just happen to be atheists, but they were fighting for other political reasons.

Crimes committed by Christians or Muslims or atheists are not that same as crimes committed that are motivated for religious reasons.

A good book that expounds upon those ideas is "The Nazis and the Occult"

When I say that I mean the party line, not the beliefs of some people within the party.  

 

They used the Catholic Church & any other church that had leaders that possessed fear &/ or personal aspirations to greatness.

Is anyone really shocked by this?

If you are you really haven't let what Peter 1 & 2 had to say about those that would deceive those associated with the Truth of The Christ sink in.

To associate these people with a "True Christian" is a vast dishonor to God, Christ & all that have been followers of his teaching & have worked & toiled to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They themselves have no knowledge of what it is to be a "Follower of Christ", nor understand that the scripture predicts that there will be those that come to deceive & destroy.

They themselves spew hatred & vile venom & should be cast aside in all things of rational thinking as their words come not from truth.

This co-worker of your wife, OP, is no friend at all.

That's just fucking retarded. Were some Nazis Christians? Yeah. Could the Catholic Church have done more to help Jews escape? Probably. But to say the Nazis were driven by Christian ideology is just plain fucking retarded.

They also like to add that Timothy McVay was a Christian, I see that one all the time.

Just remind them that J. Edgar Hoover was a Quaker.  

The average German was Christian, I'm sure most of the poor bastards on the Eastern Front were praying to God in their worst moments. The core of the Nazi leadership was most definitely not, and at some point probably intended to expel the Church from German society had the Reich last a few more decades.

Hitler and the Nazis were about as Christian as FBHO and the Democrats, if that helps clear things up.

If you classify militant state enforced athiesm as a cult, you'd be correct.  And I can't think of a good reason not to.