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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:40:51 PM EDT
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I'm all for capitalism but once some one makes a replicator and a holodeck(or VR) it will change everything. It *would* change everything, were such things to be possible. The amount of energy required is astounding. They play very loosely with the laws of physics as we can conceive of them. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love Enterprise, and it's really too bad it had to go out like it did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: best episode ever: http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/lw2098d.jpg Kirk isn't a scientist and has never been to this planet before. No worries, he can still pull some Macguyver-beating Mr. Wizard shit and mix up some chemicals in the proper proportions...  After I got Netflix I watched all the Star Trek stuff, except DSN. The newest series with the quantum leap guy and duck lips chick was way better than I expected. 'bout time they put a redneck on a space ship. Seriously though, it was really good!  I love Enterprise, and it's really too bad it had to go out like it did. Yep - my favorite series of the franchise. For those that don't know, the plug was pulled short notice and left the writers trying to scramble and close as many loose ends as possible in the remaining episodes. It's why the last season seems "off". Damn studio execs screwing up another sci-fi show.  |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:49:33 PM EDT
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best episode ever: http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/lw2098d.jpg Kirk isn't a scientist and has never been to this planet before. No worries, he can still pull some Macguyver-beating Mr. Wizard shit and mix up some chemicals in the proper proportions...
 That's the whole point of getting an education (i.e. Starfleet Academy) where you lean about things like science and engineering before going off into the great unknown.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOMG! I never knew! |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:58:46 PM EDT
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"Star Trek" was pro capitalism? GD usually accuses the show of portraying the Federation as a socialist utopia. TOS was, TNG not so much. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:58:55 PM EDT
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That or "Day of the Dove".............
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Posted: 3/2/2015 2:00:04 PM EDT
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There is nothing at all wrong with pushing capitalism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife bought me all three seasons, she watched the first two with me  , she's not as geeky as I am. I've been showing some hand-picked ones to the kids too. Rewatching all the seasons I didn't remember it being as provocative when I saw them growing up.
There's a couple where they bring in very western ideals, and I almost kind of gagged when they push the capitalism on other cultures in the show. Not that I'm against capitalism, but America does it to an unhealthy level, which also showed through in some of the episodes, drippingly so. Otherwise I like the show a lot. My wife saw more of the TNG, so we'll probably start watching those sometime too. There is nothing at all wrong with pushing capitalism. TNG pushed socialism... one of the reasons I wasn't that into it. TOS FTW. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:06:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree when it comes to covertly meddling with other people's governments. I'm not talking about sping either. I'm talking full-on regime changes and coups. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My wife bought me all three seasons, she watched the first two with me , she's not as geeky as I am. I've been showing some hand-picked ones to the kids too. Rewatching all the seasons I didn't remember it being as provocative when I saw them growing up. There's a couple where they bring in very western ideals, and I almost kind of gagged when they push the capitalism on other cultures in the show. Not that I'm against capitalism, but America does it to an unhealthy level, which also showed through in some of the episodes, drippingly so. Otherwise I like the show a lot. My wife saw more of the TNG, so we'll probably start watching those sometime too. There is nothing at all wrong with pushing capitalism. I disagree when it comes to covertly meddling with other people's governments. I'm not talking about sping either. I'm talking full-on regime changes and coups. Still not seeing the problem when it advances our interest. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:17:37 PM EDT
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How does America push capitalism to an unhealthy level? We are more socialist than we are capitalist. The government has their hand in literally everything form the soaps we use to the way we light our houses. From the time we get up in the morning we are under government control. From the light we turn on that uses a government approved switch and light bulb, to the government approved toilet we shit in. We then get in a shower with a government approved shower head and use water heated by a government approved water heater. We then use that government approved shower head to lather up government approved soap. We then dry ourselves using cotton towels that were made using government approved bleaching and dying processes and cotton grown in government approved way. I could go on and point out that in no part of your day do you do anything that the government doesn't have it's invisible hand in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife bought me all three seasons, she watched the first two with me , she's not as geeky as I am. I've been showing some hand-picked ones to the kids too. Rewatching all the seasons I didn't remember it being as provocative when I saw them growing up.
There's a couple where they bring in very western ideals, and I almost kind of gagged when they push the capitalism on other cultures in the show. Not that I'm against capitalism, but America does it to an unhealthy level, which also showed through in some of the episodes, drippingly so. Otherwise I like the show a lot. My wife saw more of the TNG, so we'll probably start watching those sometime too. How does America push capitalism to an unhealthy level? We are more socialist than we are capitalist. The government has their hand in literally everything form the soaps we use to the way we light our houses. From the time we get up in the morning we are under government control. From the light we turn on that uses a government approved switch and light bulb, to the government approved toilet we shit in. We then get in a shower with a government approved shower head and use water heated by a government approved water heater. We then use that government approved shower head to lather up government approved soap. We then dry ourselves using cotton towels that were made using government approved bleaching and dying processes and cotton grown in government approved way. I could go on and point out that in no part of your day do you do anything that the government doesn't have it's invisible hand in. Hear, hear! They should have pushed it more, the assholes that are running the government today grew up with this show. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:20:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wait you haven't watched DS9? easily the best ST series. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: best episode ever: http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/lw2098d.jpg Kirk isn't a scientist and has never been to this planet before. No worries, he can still pull some Macguyver-beating Mr. Wizard shit and mix up some chemicals in the proper proportions... After I got Netflix I watched all the Star Trek stuff, except DSN. The newest series with the quantum leap guy and duck lips chick was way better than I expected. 'bout time they put a redneck on a space ship. Seriously though, it was really good! wait you haven't watched DS9? easily the best ST series. I'm watching it now, having only caught a few episodes here and there when it was in production. It's excellent. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:23:38 PM EDT
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There was one episode in TOS that really strike me today. It's the one where they land on some Fantasy Island type planet where everyone's deams comes true. Captain Kirk gets to beat up his academy bully, and something about tigers and Samurai too. Lt. Sulu's dream was to find a Colt .38 revolver for his collection. When are you going to see THAT these days?
The show was produced back before those gun control ninnies started turning everyone into sissies. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:25:58 PM EDT
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I love them all. If I had to pick a weak point, it was Enterprise--mostly because I had a hard time believing Bakula as a serious captain after his Quantum Leap days.
I'm currently watching through ToS with my 9 year-old daughter. She loves it. Quoted:
There was one episode in TOS that really strike me today. It's the one where they land on some Fantasy Island type planet where everyone's deams comes true. Captain Kirk gets to beat up his academy bully, and something about tigers and Samurai too. Lt. Sulu's dream was to find a Colt .38 revolver for his collection. When are you going to see THAT these days? The show was produced back before those gun control ninnies started turning everyone into sissies. Shore Leave. That one is my daughter's favorite to-date. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:27:47 PM EDT
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People like of think of ST:TOS as all special effects, but many many Star Trek sets were nothing more than a table and a chair. Very sparse sets. Plus the reason why they encountered so many alternative Earths was because all the gangster costumes, Nazi costumes, depression era costumes,etc., already existed in the studio wardrobe department so those story lines were cheap. They had to spend money to make the Star Trek costumes. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 3:32:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus the reason why they encountered so many alternative Earths was because all the gangster costumes, Nazi costumes, depression era costumes,etc., already existed in the studio wardrobe department so those story lines were cheap. They had to spend money to make the Star Trek costumes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People like of think of ST:TOS as all special effects, but many many Star Trek sets were nothing more than a table and a chair. Very sparse sets. Plus the reason why they encountered so many alternative Earths was because all the gangster costumes, Nazi costumes, depression era costumes,etc., already existed in the studio wardrobe department so those story lines were cheap. They had to spend money to make the Star Trek costumes. Yeah, that's one of my biggest criticisms of TOS. "Hey look, a planet full of Nazis!...a planet full of cowboys!..." etc. Also, too many god-like characters who speak perfect English and can teleport crew members off the Enterprise at will. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 4:06:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep - my favorite series of the franchise. For those that don't know, the plug was pulled short notice and left the writers trying to scramble and close as many loose ends as possible in the remaining episodes. It's why the last season seems "off". Damn studio execs screwing up another sci-fi show. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: best episode ever: http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/lw2098d.jpg Kirk isn't a scientist and has never been to this planet before. No worries, he can still pull some Macguyver-beating Mr. Wizard shit and mix up some chemicals in the proper proportions... After I got Netflix I watched all the Star Trek stuff, except DSN. The newest series with the quantum leap guy and duck lips chick was way better than I expected. 'bout time they put a redneck on a space ship. Seriously though, it was really good! I love Enterprise, and it's really too bad it had to go out like it did. Yep - my favorite series of the franchise. For those that don't know, the plug was pulled short notice and left the writers trying to scramble and close as many loose ends as possible in the remaining episodes. It's why the last season seems "off". Damn studio execs screwing up another sci-fi show. Plus it had the most absurd series finale in television history. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 4:09:05 PM EDT
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STTOS is my favorite background when I'm working in my garage.
Thank God for NetFlix!
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Posted: 3/2/2015 4:21:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus it had the most absurd series finale in television history. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: best episode ever: http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/lw2098d.jpg Kirk isn't a scientist and has never been to this planet before. No worries, he can still pull some Macguyver-beating Mr. Wizard shit and mix up some chemicals in the proper proportions... After I got Netflix I watched all the Star Trek stuff, except DSN. The newest series with the quantum leap guy and duck lips chick was way better than I expected. 'bout time they put a redneck on a space ship. Seriously though, it was really good! I love Enterprise, and it's really too bad it had to go out like it did. Yep - my favorite series of the franchise. For those that don't know, the plug was pulled short notice and left the writers trying to scramble and close as many loose ends as possible in the remaining episodes. It's why the last season seems "off". Damn studio execs screwing up another sci-fi show. Plus it had the most absurd series finale in television history. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 4:48:35 PM EDT
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Yeah, that's one of my biggest criticisms of TOS. "Hey look, a planet full of Nazis!...a planet full of cowboys!..." etc. Also, too many god-like characters who speak perfect English and can teleport crew members off the Enterprise at will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People like of think of ST:TOS as all special effects, but many many Star Trek sets were nothing more than a table and a chair. Very sparse sets. Plus the reason why they encountered so many alternative Earths was because all the gangster costumes, Nazi costumes, depression era costumes,etc., already existed in the studio wardrobe department so those story lines were cheap. They had to spend money to make the Star Trek costumes. Yeah, that's one of my biggest criticisms of TOS. "Hey look, a planet full of Nazis!...a planet full of cowboys!..." etc. Also, too many god-like characters who speak perfect English and can teleport crew members off the Enterprise at will. They were forced to do that for the same reason why they invented the transporter- having the actors magically disappear was free. Turn off the camera, have the actors leave the set while everyone else remains in position, and turn the camera back on. Special effects showing a space shuttle flying around costs money. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:09:46 PM EDT
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I watched a bunch of "Twilight Zone" episodes, and never saw Kirk and Nimoy together
A job is a job |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 4th season was good, but like JAFFE said it was rushed and unpolished. They fucked up the T'Pol/Trip story, then just killed Trip off for no reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm a big fan of Enterprise as well, other than TOS it is my favorite. T'Pol I love Enterprise, and it's really too bad it had to go out like it did. Yep - my favorite series of the franchise. For those that don't know, the plug was pulled short notice and left the writers trying to scramble and close as many loose ends as possible in the remaining episodes. It's why the last season seems "off". Damn studio execs screwing up another sci-fi show. Plus it had the most absurd series finale in television history. I was referring to the actual final episode, which is supposed to take place on the Enterprise-D holodeck and features a much older and fatter Riker pretending to be his younger self. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFabulous!! |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:43:22 PM EDT
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Fabulous!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fabulous!! average arfcom sandwich maker 
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:54:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was referring to the actual final episode, which is supposed to take place on the Enterprise-D holodeck and features a much older and fatter Riker pretending to be his younger self. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: <multiple snips> Yep - my favorite series of the franchise. For those that don't know, the plug was pulled short notice and left the writers trying to scramble and close as many loose ends as possible in the remaining episodes. It's why the last season seems "off". Damn studio execs screwing up another sci-fi show. Plus it had the most absurd series finale in television history. I was referring to the actual final episode, which is supposed to take place on the Enterprise-D holodeck and features a much older and fatter Riker pretending to be his younger self. Agreed - that was one big for an ending. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:55:27 PM EDT
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Fabulous!! Oh, Harry was no fag; he liked the girls just fine. 
Mostly he liked to buy & sell them! A man after my own heart. That was what was soooooo great about TOS; it absolutely bubbled over with truly loveable scoundrels. By comparison, TNG was filled with ball-less wonders that bent over backwards to be all PC and niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.  Maybe that's why people like Firefly; they are not anything like goody-two-shoes. 
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:58:12 PM EDT
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1. TOS
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Posted: 3/2/2015 6:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Skirts that short were the norm back then, even out in public. I want to build a time machine just so I can sit in a public place smoking a cigarette and watch the ladies in mini-miniskirts walk by.  |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:17:04 PM EDT
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I want to build a time machine just so I can sit in a public place smoking a cigarette and watch the ladies in mini-miniskirts walk by.
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Skirts that short were the norm back then, even out in public. I want to build a time machine just so I can sit in a public place smoking a cigarette and watch the ladies in mini-miniskirts walk by.
"Girl watching" was considered normal behavior for guys back then. Airport terminals were full of chicks in mini skirts. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:39:25 PM EDT
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City on the edge of forever - Joan Collins ftw
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:45:51 PM EDT
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TOS has very valuable life lessons, like never wear a red shirt on an away mission, send your most important and valuable personell on the most dangerous missions, and sleep with every hot alien chick you can, especially if she is blue or green. There's no better way to establish diplomatic relations with a new species, than by tapping that ass. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the whole point of getting an education (i.e. Starfleet Academy) where you lean about things like science and engineering before going off into the great unknown.taking some science classes is one thing, harvesting, refining, mixing, and deploying minerals as explosives from a planet where 'no man has gone before' probably wasn't in Kirk's Science 101 class. The guy is a leader and has a good 'gut feeling' about how to get things done, he's not the science guru of the group. Homemade bazooka/shotgun thing should be Spock's domain, if anyone. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 9:25:24 PM EDT
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Shatner looks like he's taking a selfie of himself with Joan Collins ...
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Posted: 3/2/2015 9:36:36 PM EDT
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Shatner looks like he's taking a selfie of himself with Joan Collins ... He just can't get over how awesome he is. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 9:56:20 PM EDT
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My wife bought me all three seasons, she watched the first two with me , she's not as geeky as I am. I've been showing some hand-picked ones to the kids too. Rewatching all the seasons I didn't remember it being as provocative when I saw them growing up.
There's a couple where they bring in very western ideals, and I almost kind of gagged when they push the capitalism on other cultures in the show. Not that I'm against capitalism, but America does it to an unhealthy level, which also showed through in some of the episodes, drippingly so. Otherwise I like the show a lot. My wife saw more of the TNG, so we'll probably start watching those sometime too. The you must really like the episode with the Yans and Comms or the one with gladiators who were Son worshippers |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 10:30:28 PM EDT
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taking some science classes is one thing, harvesting, refining, mixing, and deploying minerals as explosives from a planet where 'no man has gone before' probably wasn't in Kirk's Science 101 class. The guy is a leader and has a good 'gut feeling' about how to get things done, he's not the science guru of the group. Homemade bazooka/shotgun thing should be Spock's domain, if anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's the whole point of getting an education (i.e. Starfleet Academy) where you lean about things like science and engineering before going off into the great unknown.taking some science classes is one thing, harvesting, refining, mixing, and deploying minerals as explosives from a planet where 'no man has gone before' probably wasn't in Kirk's Science 101 class. The guy is a leader and has a good 'gut feeling' about how to get things done, he's not the science guru of the group. Homemade bazooka/shotgun thing should be Spock's domain, if anyone. It's tenth century technology, not exactly like building a sub space transceiver from rocks. Those people weren't high school drops from some hick high school. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 10:45:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2015 10:48:02 PM EDT
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This is meee cargo
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Posted: 3/2/2015 10:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's all a lie. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:00:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: I had seen a few episodes and all the movies, but I grew up in the Next Generation era. I never really went back and watched much of the original series, but since it's on Amazon Prime I decided to with the death of Leonard Nimoy. I'm up to the first episode with the Romulans, "Balance of Terror". Despite the cheesiness of the special effects and sets (understandable considering the age of the show)...it's very well written. This episode, especially, is really well written. The Romulans are interesting as fuck and the cold war social commentary is interesting. "Balance of Terror" is a remake of a World War II movie called "The Enemy Below" with Robert Mitchum. Watch the movie, then the episode again. They are the same. Except the movie is better. Of course the Romulan commander is Mark Leonard, who would later be Spock's father. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:16:30 PM EDT
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 On an unrelated note, the middle red shirt is Basil Poledouris, the man who eventually composed some truly great film music for movies like Conan the Barbarian and The Hunt for Red October. The King of Jordan also made an appearance in ST TNG. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:17:49 AM EDT
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TOS was, TNG not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Star Trek" was pro capitalism? GD usually accuses the show of portraying the Federation as a socialist utopia. TOS was, TNG not so much. Case in point, one of my favorite scenes from TOS: Season 2, Episode 25 - Bread and Circuses
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Posted: 3/3/2015 10:09:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10363709_526091877533818_5206723241913307649_n.jpg?oh=942d96e6e1ddb14519c52a2d01eeea55&oe=55745A7E&__gda__=1434058191_c2d7b431e558b65a1c5587aace1f0b46 On an unrelated note, the middle red shirt is Basil Poledouris, the man who eventually composed some truly great film music for movies like Conan the Barbarian and The Hunt for Red October. The King of Jordan also made an appearance in ST TNG. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 10:26:40 AM EDT
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"Balance of Terror" is a remake of a World War II movie called "The Enemy Below" with Robert Mitchum. Watch the movie, then the episode again. They are the same. Except the movie is better. Of course the Romulan commander is Mark Leonard, who would later be Spock's father. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had seen a few episodes and all the movies, but I grew up in the Next Generation era. I never really went back and watched much of the original series, but since it's on Amazon Prime I decided to with the death of Leonard Nimoy. I'm up to the first episode with the Romulans, "Balance of Terror". Despite the cheesiness of the special effects and sets (understandable considering the age of the show)...it's very well written. This episode, especially, is really well written. The Romulans are interesting as fuck and the cold war social commentary is interesting. "Balance of Terror" is a remake of a World War II movie called "The Enemy Below" with Robert Mitchum. Watch the movie, then the episode again. They are the same. Except the movie is better. Of course the Romulan commander is Mark Leonard, who would later be Spock's father. Mark Lenard is the first actor to play three alien races on Star Trek. The Romulan commander in Balance of Terror, a Klingon captain in ST:TMP, and of course, Sarek, Spock's father. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10363709_526091877533818_5206723241913307649_n.jpg?oh=942d96e6e1ddb14519c52a2d01eeea55&oe=55745A7E&__gda__=1434058191_c2d7b431e558b65a1c5587aace1f0b46 On an unrelated note, the middle red shirt is Basil Poledouris, the man who eventually composed some truly great film music for movies like Conan the Barbarian and The Hunt for Red October. The King of Jordan also made an appearance in ST TNG. Voyager.  |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:38:03 PM EDT
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I've been watching the old TOS episodes myself lately, and started watching Voyager with my son, as I never really watched that series. I've seen most episodes of TNG and DS9, but never watched more than a handful of Voyager episodes. I figure I'll rectify that now that we've got the Roku and Netflix.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:52:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:39:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:43:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:52:21 AM EDT
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No mention of this episode yet?! ARFCOM is falling behind........
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Posted: 3/4/2015 1:01:57 AM EDT
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No mention of this episode yet?! ARFCOM is falling behind........ https://40.media.tumblr.com/32fdee31a3f06fbe5ea5338ebf092d64/tumblr_n7c96zm95V1srvnfpo1_500.jpg  http://youtu.be/RVN-qqyEY4sI'm still watching the first season, I haven't made it to this one yet... |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 1:14:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No mention of this episode yet?! ARFCOM is falling behind........ https://40.media.tumblr.com/32fdee31a3f06fbe5ea5338ebf092d64/tumblr_n7c96zm95V1srvnfpo1_500.jpg http://youtu.be/RVN-qqyEY4s |
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