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You can't be a republican and support gay marriage and recreational MJ? I would submit that people who are in favor of legalizing those issues are far more in line traditional conservative republican ideals than those who would use government to limit personal freedoms. I'm betting you are correct |
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Quoted: neither party wants limited gov't....that ship has sailed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By Chris_ I know it's always ignored and lambasted against..but when ever Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc are on the ballot people overwhelmingly vote AGAINST them. They all must be wrong. It's OK for people to be against what they feel strongly about, the GOP has a problem..it NEVER FUCKING LISTENS. But, GOP voters have a problem as well. They keep sending money and keep reelecting people who NEVER FUCKING LISTEN. I love how people who are for abortion, for gay marriage, for amnesty, etc tell people who aren't how they have to be... But Republicans are not sticking to their principles and come off hypocritical when it comes to limited government. neither party wants limited gov't....that ship has sailed. |
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Quoted: I'd say that leaves a 91% chance that you will be on the losing side of elections. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I say there's a 91% chance those polls are BS. I'd say that leaves a 91% chance that you will be on the losing side of elections. |
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Read the pro/neutral abortion posts above yours. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election?[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif[/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can't be a republican and support gay marriage and recreational MJ? I would submit that people who are in favor of legalizing those issues are far more in line traditional conservative republican ideals than those who would use government to limit personal freedoms. you would be incorrect. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election?[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif[/ I live in N Dakota. We just had a ballot initiative to ban ALL abortion and also put end of life decisions in the states hands. It got voted down quite easily, the Rep who sponsored it got voted out and almost all of the other Republicans got voted in. It's like a 75% republican state leg. If that says anything. We only have one abortion clinic and it's in Liberal Fargo, would not have been hard for them to move it across the river to liberal MN. Oh ya, and all of the Libertarian candidates made record numbers, around 8% each. |
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I say there's a 91% chance those polls are BS. I'd say that leaves a 91% chance that you will be on the losing side of elections. Good question. If the answer is no, then the next question would be: Can any Republican win in the future? |
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what was wrong with the past that they shouldn't be marching there
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Quoted: I live in N Dakota. We just had a ballot initiative to ban ALL abortion and also put end of life decisions in the states hands. It got voted down quite easily, the Rep who sponsored it got voted out and almost all of the other Republicans got voted in. It's like a 75% republican state leg. If that says anything. We only have one abortion clinic and it's in Liberal Fargo, would not have been hard for them to move it across the river to liberal MN. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You can't be a republican and support gay marriage and recreational MJ? I would submit that people who are in favor of legalizing those issues are far more in line traditional conservative republican ideals than those who would use government to limit personal freedoms. you would be incorrect. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election?[url]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif[/ I live in N Dakota. We just had a ballot initiative to ban ALL abortion and also put end of life decisions in the states hands. It got voted down quite easily, the Rep who sponsored it got voted out and almost all of the other Republicans got voted in. It's like a 75% republican state leg. If that says anything. We only have one abortion clinic and it's in Liberal Fargo, would not have been hard for them to move it across the river to liberal MN. I don't care what anyone in North Dakota does, just saying it's a mess for the GOP |
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I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I'm fine with marijuana legalization. I feel alcohol is far more dangerous. I'm also fine with gay unions, just don't call them marriage. Marriage started as a religious term, was co-opted as a legal term, and now is used interchangeably between the two. It's not. Marriage (religion) = taking a vow in the customs/rules of your religion. Marriage (legal) = partnership agreement / contract. Split those usages up, and I'm 100% fine with gay unions, and those unions having the same LEGAL rights as anyone else.
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I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I'm fine with marijuana legalization. I feel alcohol is far more dangerous. I'm also fine with gay unions, just don't call them marriage. Marriage started as a religious term, was co-opted as a legal term, and now is used interchangeably between the two. It's not. Marriage (religion) = taking a vow in the customs/rules of your religion. Marriage (legal) = partnership agreement / contract. Split those usages up, and I'm 100% fine with gay unions, and those unions having the same LEGAL rights as anyone else. The GOP, OTOH, can FOAD as far as I'm concerned. View Quote So what about the churches who do gay marriages? Wouldn't that be marriage if the religion said so? |
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what was wrong with the past that they shouldn't be marching there View Quote The key is to march back to Conservatism, but market it as a brand new concept. That's what the Left did with the old concept of Socialism, they just call it Progressive, and by definition it becomes new and original to easily duped young people. The issue is, right now young people are entirely too comfortable with other people determining their fates. So the strategy here becomes quite difficult... how do you market the concepts of Conservatism and individuality to headstrong, semi intelligent millennials who have been mollycoddled their entire lives and told they're being fiercely independent? I'm working on it. |
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And 100% of democrats are happy that republicans are allowing themselves to buy the lie that these issues are important in comparison to small government and the free market. View Quote While I agree social issues are of low importance compared to other issues, young adults put a high priority on them. Pop culture entertainment consistently hammers it into them at every turn. So unless the republicans start heavily investing in media, they will consistently lose the youth vote. |
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The worst things are the token R issues Abortion should be a states rights issue. Same as MJ, Same as the definition of legal marriage. The issue of the 2A has the Republicans holding a abysmal record and only being truly effective at the state and local level.
The Federal government is too big. It must be reigned in by at least 75%. States need to keep more of their own money to fix their own problems and poor states need to step up their game. Republicans at every level need to work towards righting the defects instead of perpetuating problems. I know none of this will happen. That's why I have stocked up on lawn chairs, sunscreen, sunglasses, beer and will be here to watch it all burn :) |
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We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them.
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The right is losing, no, has lost, the culture war. jd1 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Each generation makes their own path. But this generation.....has no interest in history.....or the foundations of our Nation. I'm 58......and I'm tired.....I've been fighting this "Culture War" for 30 years without a lot to show for it besides "What color is this dress?" ...or the Llama chase on TV! There's trouble on the Horizon......and most are CLUELESS! I'm gonna sit back and Sometimes you just have to let them bleed for awhile. Government force is counterproductive as a weapon in the culture war. You would think conservatives would figure that out pretty fast given their rhetoric about small government, but somehow they never seem to. |
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Quoted: I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I'm fine with marijuana legalization. I feel alcohol is far more dangerous. I'm also fine with gay unions, just don't call them marriage. Marriage started as a religious term, was co-opted as a legal term, and now is used interchangeably between the two. It's not. Marriage (religion) = taking a vow in the customs/rules of your religion. Marriage (legal) = partnership agreement / contract. Split those usages up, and I'm 100% fine with gay unions, and those unions having the same LEGAL rights as anyone else. The GOP, OTOH, can FOAD as far as I'm concerned. View Quote |
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We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them. View Quote Evidently you are shooting for about 30% in the potus election. |
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Read the pro/neutral abortion posts above yours. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can't be a republican and support gay marriage and recreational MJ? I would submit that people who are in favor of legalizing those issues are far more in line traditional conservative republican ideals than those who would use government to limit personal freedoms. you would be incorrect. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election? Ah yes the vaccination autism debate. We can thank the great conservative Jim Carey foe that one |
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Quoted: We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them. View Quote LOL. Classic example of why the GOP is fucked. I've never voted anything other than R. So far.... |
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Both of those are bad for society as a whole. Programming of the young is done by America hating Liberals.
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You can't be a republican and support gay marriage and recreational MJ? I would submit that people who are in favor of legalizing those issues are far more in line traditional conservative republican ideals than those who would use government to limit personal freedoms. That's a bet I wouldn't go against because I never bet against a sure thing. |
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Evidently you are shooting for about 30% in the potus election. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them. Evidently you are shooting for about 30% in the potus election. 30% of voters or 30% of the population? Where did you find these figures? |
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LOL. Classic example of why the GOP is fucked. I've never voted anything other than R. So far.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them. LOL. Classic example of why the GOP is fucked. I've never voted anything other than R. So far.... Yeah I know. I heard this when Reagan ran. End of the world the sky is falling. Lol |
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We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them. Evidently you are shooting for about 30% in the potus election. 30% of voters or 30% of the population? Where did you find these figures? Well, if you lose all of the Democrat votes, and two-thirds of the young Republicans, that doesn't equal 51+% |
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We need a leader who represents hardline conservative principles both socially and fiscally. They need to excite the base in order to win the presidency. You pot heads can go back to the democrat party and try to change them. Evidently you are shooting for about 30% in the potus election. 30% of voters or 30% of the population? Where did you find these figures? Either way. It was a guess since the numbers show somewhere between 60-70% of all Americans are in favor of pot legalization. That's including all parties and non voters. It's also my guess that if every single legal American voted we would have a much more libertarian style gov. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Be concerned about what others are doing that you don't agree with Smoke a doobie and look at the gay couple while we take all your stuff and slip this collar on your neck. FIFY I don't. The house is burning down and we are arguing about new wallpaper. |
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100 trillion in debt and we care about weed and adult sex. I don't. The house is burning down and we are arguing about new wallpaper. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Be concerned about what others are doing that you don't agree with Smoke a doobie and look at the gay couple while we take all your stuff and slip this collar on your neck. FIFY I don't. The house is burning down and we are arguing about new wallpaper. I am thinking that a big chunk of the people for legalization are eyeing the tax income from it to help the debt. I do also but I would be against the fed tax on it being anywhere over 5-7% max. |
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63% of Republican Millennials favor marijuana legalization http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/27/63-of-republican-millennials-favor-marijuana-legalization/ 61% of young Republicans favor same-sex marriage http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/ View Quote but but but but thats not what the party is all about! Adapt or die. The last 12 years Rs have chosen die. The younger generations see the blatant hypocrisy of claiming to support freedom and small government and then turning around to legislate your specific brand of religion. |
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I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I'm fine with marijuana legalization. I feel alcohol is far more dangerous. I'm also fine with gay unions, just don't call them marriage. Marriage started as a religious term, was co-opted as a legal term, and now is used interchangeably between the two. It's not. Marriage (religion) = taking a vow in the customs/rules of your religion. Marriage (legal) = partnership agreement / contract. Split those usages up, and I'm 100% fine with gay unions, and those unions having the same LEGAL rights as anyone else. The GOP, OTOH, can FOAD as far as I'm concerned. So what about the churches who do gay marriages? Wouldn't that be marriage if the religion said so? He will say those are not "real christian" churches. Which begs the question do the bible basher types think that marriages done in polytheistic religions (that are incompatible with christianity) are valid marriages? They are not done before the "real god". |
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Read the pro/neutral abortion posts above yours. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can't be a republican and support gay marriage and recreational MJ? I would submit that people who are in favor of legalizing those issues are far more in line traditional conservative republican ideals than those who would use government to limit personal freedoms. you would be incorrect. The Republicans jumped in bed with evangelicals to elect Reagan, and it worked until now. Now evangelicals can win state elections and have a large effect in congress, but can't win a presidential election. Look at the abortion bans in places like Texas and the Dakotas, you think a candidate who supports those draconian abortion laws, claims evolution doesn't exist or that vaccines cause autism can win a presidential election? |
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When the republicans had control last time, they grew government and spent their way just like any fucking democrat would have. When McCain ran, they wanted to give us mother fucking McCainCare! Remember that shit? We were getting fucked with some shitty health insurance crap either way. But, McCain was going to tax employer provided plans to fund his shit.
Conservative party my fucking ass! Maybe religiously conservative, but not fiscally and fuck those with pot needles. Their base is dying off, their views have made me a life long republican voter one who now hates both parties equally. What's another fucking rino in the office going to do for me? Lower taxes? No. Smaller gov? No. Fix the damn tax codes, flat tax? No. All I'll get is a pro 2nd amendment democrat light if I'm even that lucky. Whether you like it or not the religious right wing voter is a dying breed. Americans want morality demanding fucks out of their houses and lives. But, go ahead call me a DU poster. The Republican Party is going to die the fuck off over time. I just hope it's replaced by a non religious, truly fiscally conservative platform. |
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I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I'm fine with marijuana legalization. I feel alcohol is far more dangerous. I'm also fine with gay unions, just don't call them marriage. Marriage started as a religious term, was co-opted as a legal term, and now is used interchangeably between the two. It's not. Marriage (religion) = taking a vow in the customs/rules of your religion. Marriage (legal) = partnership agreement / contract. Split those usages up, and I'm 100% fine with gay unions, and those unions having the same LEGAL rights as anyone else. The GOP, OTOH, can FOAD as far as I'm concerned. So what about the churches who do gay marriages? Wouldn't that be marriage if the religion said so? He will say those are not "real christian" churches. Which begs the question do the bible basher types think that marriages done in polytheistic religions (that are incompatible with christianity) are valid marriages? They are not done before the "real god". These are legit Christian Churches like Lutheran. Lutheran has 2-3 sects, one of them allowing it where legal as far as I know. But I'm not real up on the subject. |
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I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I'm fine with marijuana legalization. I feel alcohol is far more dangerous. I'm also fine with gay unions, just don't call them marriage. Marriage started as a religious term, was co-opted as a legal term, and now is used interchangeably between the two. It's not. Marriage (religion) = taking a vow in the customs/rules of your religion. Marriage (legal) = partnership agreement / contract. Split those usages up, and I'm 100% fine with gay unions, and those unions having the same LEGAL rights as anyone else. The GOP, OTOH, can FOAD as far as I'm concerned. So what about the churches who do gay marriages? Wouldn't that be marriage if the religion said so? He will say those are not "real christian" churches. Which begs the question do the bible basher types think that marriages done in polytheistic religions (that are incompatible with christianity) are valid marriages? They are not done before the "real god". These are legit Christian Churches like Lutheran. Lutheran has 2-3 sects, one of them allowing it where legal as far as I know. But I'm not real up on the subject. The type of person I was describing would say Lutherans are not "real christian" churches. |
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GOP needs to change or die. A lot of people prefer death, apparently. The GOP cart is too firmly hitched to the evangelical horse to enact the reforms it needs in time to save its brand. Combine its ideological tunnel vision with the geography of the electoral college and it's virtually certain that that there will never be another republican president, barring some dramatic unforeseen "black swan" event.
These same issues were brought up last election cycle. "It's too early!" people here shouted. "Doom and gloom! Defeatist! The polls are rigged!" It played out exactly as the pessimists said it would. The less-than-ideal Romney was the candidate and the polls were dead-on. |
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but but but but thats not what the party is all about! Adapt or die. The last 12 years Rs have chosen die. Please explain the mid terms The people seem to vote for their republican state reps but the goo can't seem to put in a potus candidate that appeals to the majority. They should have put in RP like the delegates wanted. Stuff like that. |
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If people had to work to support their families and self, they would sink or swim. Nowadays you can screw off and just survive off the government.
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I don't know what you people fail to be able to comprehend about a LARGE segment of Republican voters being Evangelical Christians. I mean how exactly do you think the Republicans were able to turn the South from blue to red?
Do you have ANY idea how many volunteers are Evangelical Christians and how many Donors are Evangelical Christians. Where do you think those folks would go if the Democrats and the Republicans were on the same level field regarding social issues? Would Christians who believe they are their brothers keepers stay with Republicans who believe every man for himself is a better benefit to society? You make the Republicans stand on the same pro-choice, pro-marijuana , pro-homosexual platform as Democrats and you'll see the power evaporate into a permanent minority. Remember the whole Chick-Fil-A deal? Remember how many people turned out including Blacks to support Chick-Fil-A. How many young hipsters showed up to protest them? We NEED the Christians. If you don't get that you have no understanding of politics. |
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but but but but thats not what the party is all about! Adapt or die. The last 12 years Rs have chosen die. Please explain the mid terms The election where less people vote and there tends to be a larger % of R turnout? Or the presidential election where the likes of Obama has spanked the GOP twice? |
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but but but but thats not what the party is all about! Adapt or die. The last 12 years Rs have chosen die. Please explain the mid terms I have a theory. Speaking just for the presidential election and not the mid terms here. I live in Georgia. By the time I can vote in the Republican primaries, the republican candidate has pretty much already been chosen by liberal fuck states. Thus why we get stuck with mother fucking rinos every damn year. And when you place a rino fuck in the ballot, people don't go out and vote because there is no damn passion. |
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The people seem to vote for their republican state reps but the goo can't seem to put in a potus candidate that appeals to the majority. They should have put in RP like the delegates wanted. Stuff like that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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but but but but thats not what the party is all about! Adapt or die. The last 12 years Rs have chosen die. Please explain the mid terms The people seem to vote for their republican state reps but the goo can't seem to put in a potus candidate that appeals to the majority. They should have put in RP like the delegates wanted. Stuff like that. There appear to be quite a few non firearms enthusiasts frequenting this place these days. |
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I don't know what you people fail to be able to comprehend about a LARGE segment of Republican voters being Evangelical Christians. I mean how exactly do you think the Republicans were able to turn the South from blue to red? Do you have ANY idea how many volunteers are Evangelical Christians and how many Donors are Evangelical Christians. Where do you think those folks would go if the Democrats and the Republicans were on the same level field regarding social issues? Would Christians who believe they are their brothers keepers stay with Republicans who believe every man for himself is a better benefit to society? You make the Republicans stand on the same pro-choice, pro-marijuana , pro-homosexual platform as Democrats and you'll see the power evaporate into a permanent minority. Remember the whole Chick-Fil-A deal? Remember how many people turned out including Blacks to support Chick-Fil-A. How many young hipsters showed up to protest them? We NEED the Christians. If you don't get that you have no understanding of politics. View Quote The poll doesn't make any breakout of Christians versus non-Christians. Therefore, that routine might have worked in the past but it appears to be a major loser for the future. |
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