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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:41:00 PM EDT
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:47:54 PM EDT
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect. You should have quit while you were ahead. Those of us that have been here for a little while have seen first hand the type of man Bill is. You've barely been here long enough for the membership charge to hit your card. Read more, post less. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:48:00 PM EDT
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Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. You missed the donation last year of 50 or so triggers to a fund raiser for an arfcommer with cancer. GA had them laser engraved with the a picture of the arfcommer and his daughter and then sold them at a discount to get the cash together ASAP for the sick arfcommer. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:48:11 PM EDT
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For those of us who have known Bill for a few years now and who own many of his products......you not only don't know what you are talking about, it was also (imo) disingenuous of you to post what you posted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you one of his business associates? I find it interesting how so many are commenting on a persons intentions, and moral fiber. I'm not trying to detract from GA stepping up to the plate and going above and beyond (far from it), but you can't tell me for one minute that a successful business man isn't always thinking about his bottom line and reputation. We are talking about two different things here......1. GA is doing a good deed 2. Publicly announcing on a forum that they are doing a good deed (instead of just sending the OP an IM) for future/returning customers to see is a smart business decision. The fact you guys can't put two and two together is a little puzzling........it's economics and marketing 101. For those of us who have known Bill for a few years now and who own many of his products......you not only don't know what you are talking about, it was also (imo) disingenuous of you to post what you posted. What the actual fuck. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:51:52 PM EDT
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Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Holy shit. I dont even know I need from you guys but I'm off to order something. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:53:30 PM EDT
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If the lowers are registered to the OP what sort of criminal charges could be filled, etc? Like debtor's prison? None. It is a civil matter. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:07:35 PM EDT
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Wow! Geissele FTW.
Seems like ShadowOps pulled the same garbage Redrock Ordnance did. Take a lot of people's money during the rush, and deliver promises. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:08:04 PM EDT
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect. I strongly suggest you stop shitting in this thread, and insulting another team member, right now. 
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:09:16 PM EDT
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I strongly suggest you stop shitting in this thread, and insulting another team member, right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect. I strongly suggest you stop shitting in this thread, and insulting another team member, right now. Gracias |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. OP, sorry to hear man, hope you get your stuff back. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:36:29 PM EDT
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For those of us who have known Bill for a few years now and who own many of his products......you not only don't know what you are talking about, it was also (imo) disingenuous of you to post what you posted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you one of his business associates? I find it interesting how so many are commenting on a persons intentions, and moral fiber. I'm not trying to detract from GA stepping up to the plate and going above and beyond (far from it), but you can't tell me for one minute that a successful business man isn't always thinking about his bottom line and reputation. We are talking about two different things here......1. GA is doing a good deed 2. Publicly announcing on a forum that they are doing a good deed (instead of just sending the OP an IM) for future/returning customers to see is a smart business decision. The fact you guys can't put two and two together is a little puzzling........it's economics and marketing 101. For those of us who have known Bill for a few years now and who own many of his products......you not only don't know what you are talking about, it was also (imo) disingenuous of you to post what you posted. +1 Don't be THAT guy. [b]Quoted:
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect. You should have quit while you were ahead. Those of us that have been here for a little while have seen first hand the type of man Bill is. You've barely been here long enough for the membership charge to hit your card. Read more, post less. This Too |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:37:15 PM EDT
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I have no doubts about his generosity, but he's a business man and you don't stay in business giving things away.......at the end of the day, it's about the bottom line. Nevertheless, big ups to GA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. I'm sure that will happen and is a valid point, but I think Bill is truly just a genuinely stand up guy and actually cares about his customers. I believe his offer was more out of being a great guy than as a business decision. Either way, I'm replacing my four G2s with his AK triggers ASAP, and his generosity here is part of the reason why.  I have no doubts about his generosity, but he's a business man and you don't stay in business giving things away.......at the end of the day, it's about the bottom line. Nevertheless, big ups to GA. Lawl, 15er, trainer, and not familiar with either Geissele or larue apparently. Gun companies who look after the gun community seem to do really fucking well Despite giving stuff away and spending their own money. Sometimes it's not better when lawyers and MBAs run everything. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:39:09 PM EDT
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I've only had one transaction with this company and I did not like the way it was handled. I ordered a raw AR upper to match the raw TR-Enabling 80% lower I was in the process of completing. It toook two months to be delivered and this was after multiple calls and emails and threatening to do a chargeback on my CC.
It sucks that there are several people that are getting screwed raw by them. I am glad they are going out of business, we don't need a trash comany like that taking money from people who cannot afford to lose $$$. I am a Geissele product fan and have one of the SSA-E's in my DPMS 308 and absolutely love the trigger. I wish I could afford one for each of my rifles. When I get it in the budget again, I will definately purchase more. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:42:17 PM EDT
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Above and Beyond! Kudos to Geissele. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service andwe will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat.
Seriously? ! I just about cried when I read that. I will give it a week to see what can be recovered. You guys rock for stepping up when you don't need to. And that right there is why I have spent well over a thousand dollars on Geissele and ALG products, and will continue to. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:50:26 PM EDT
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect. You just shit in your own mouth with that post. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:54:09 PM EDT
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IBTM. this is the same reason we get a lot of broken Colt 6920s at the shop. Everyone is afraid to sent them to Colt to be fixed in case they shut from bankruptcy. I don't blame them. OP, you need to do a police report, your stuff has been stolen No. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:54:43 PM EDT
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I second the stolen statement. Hopefully it checks out... You're wrong too. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:56:36 PM EDT
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I second the stolen statement. Hopefully it checks out... You're wrong too. What do you call it? |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:56:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. id appreciate a link to your store, sir. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:58:49 PM EDT
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Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Like a boss. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:59:22 PM EDT
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Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. id appreciate a link to your store, sir. Best triggers out there. You won't be disappointed. Geissele |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:06:08 PM EDT
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I second the stolen statement. Hopefully it checks out... You're wrong too. What do you call it? A civil matter. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:06:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. id appreciate a link to your store, sir. Best triggers out there. You won't be disappointed. Geissele thank you this will be my 2nd item from Geissele.. i didn't catch that was bill at first by his SN until I read the rest of the thread.. outstanding |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:10:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:10:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure that will happen and is a valid point, but I think Bill is truly just a genuinely stand up guy and actually cares about his customers. I believe his offer was more out of being a great guy than as a business decision. Either way, I'm replacing my four G2s with his AK triggers ASAP, and his generosity here is part of the reason why. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. I'm sure that will happen and is a valid point, but I think Bill is truly just a genuinely stand up guy and actually cares about his customers. I believe his offer was more out of being a great guy than as a business decision. Either way, I'm replacing my four G2s with his AK triggers ASAP, and his generosity here is part of the reason why. I would agree with this. He already has a very established business with a great product, so even if his act of good will generates sales I think it just speaks to him doing a really great thing. I think that his offering to help out someone who got caught up in a small shops drama speaks volumes about his character. His good intentions and character may create a good business environment, but I think it is a byproduct of his actions not a reason for doing them.  Very cool thing to do and I am glad I patronize Geissele Automatics. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:15:09 PM EDT
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. You missed the donation last year of 50 or so triggers to a fund raiser for an arfcommer with cancer. GA had them laser engraved with the a picture of the arfcommer and his daughter and then sold them at a discount to get the cash together ASAP for the sick arfcommer. That's a tax write off....just for clarification. Nevertheless that was an awesome act of kindness and should be applauded. NM, waste of time |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:16:46 PM EDT
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. You missed the donation last year of 50 or so triggers to a fund raiser for an arfcommer with cancer. GA had them laser engraved with the a picture of the arfcommer and his daughter and then sold them at a discount to get the cash together ASAP for the sick arfcommer. That's a tax write off....just for clarification. Nevertheless that was an awesome act of kindness and should be applauded. 
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:17:19 PM EDT
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. You missed the donation last year of 50 or so triggers to a fund raiser for an arfcommer with cancer. GA had them laser engraved with the a picture of the arfcommer and his daughter and then sold them at a discount to get the cash together ASAP for the sick arfcommer. That's a tax write off....just for clarification. Nevertheless that was an awesome act of kindness and should be applauded. Do you even understand what that means? Obviously you think you do, but I'm doubting your real knowledge. A sick member on AR15 is not a charity. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:20:45 PM EDT
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. You missed the donation last year of 50 or so triggers to a fund raiser for an arfcommer with cancer. GA had them laser engraved with the a picture of the arfcommer and his daughter and then sold them at a discount to get the cash together ASAP for the sick arfcommer. That's a tax write off....just for clarification. Nevertheless that was an awesome act of kindness and should be applauded. You should just punch yourself in the fucking face, though I don't think it would knock any sense into you. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:21:17 PM EDT
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Wow came in here to read OP's woes. Read Geissele Auto's post - was on the fence of buying a trigger and rail. Now I am DEFINITELY going to be a geissele customer! Which is the exact reason they did this....by providing replacement gear to the OP, GA will get reciprocating business that will more than make up the difference. It's good business, and it's refreshing. You missed the donation last year of 50 or so triggers to a fund raiser for an arfcommer with cancer. GA had them laser engraved with the a picture of the arfcommer and his daughter and then sold them at a discount to get the cash together ASAP for the sick arfcommer. That's a tax write off....just for clarification. Nevertheless that was an awesome act of kindness and should be applauded. Holy fuck. You see how everyone else that's been here longer than a month has a different view than you do? Pat Rogers would call that a clue. Shit, Hellen Keller would call that a clue. You aren't earning any friends here with your bullshit that's already been explained. GD would have a bitter purse fight if someone said pussy is awesome, because half of our members would want to argue that it sucks. When 99% of us agree on something, and only one guy doesn't..... that one guy is probably clownshoes. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:23:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:27:49 PM EDT
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CS in the firearms industry is like nothing I've ever seen. 80% of the manufacturers and vendors will rip you off, burn you, and not call you back for warranty issues, just to make a few bucks on a single sale. 20% will give you the shirt off their back, answer phone and email after hours, and are great standup folks. I will gladly pay more, sometimes quite a bit more, to buy from the second group. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:30:38 PM EDT
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Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Damn, you guys are awesome. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat.  This is half the reason I'm such a Geissele fan and recommend them to every AR shooter I meet... unless they're poor, then I recommend ALG  |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:36:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:36:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:37:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:38:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:40:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:46:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:49:02 PM EDT
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Are you one of his business associates? I find it interesting how so many are commenting on a persons intentions, and moral fiber. I'm not trying to detract from GA stepping up to the plate and going above and beyond (far from it), but you can't tell me for one minute that a successful business man isn't always thinking about his bottom line and reputation. We are talking about two different things here......1. GA is doing a good deed 2. Publicly announcing on a forum that they are doing a good deed (instead of just sending the OP an IM) for future/returning customers to see is a smart business decision. The fact you guys can't put two and two together is a little puzzling........it's economics and marketing 101. Shut up 15er. Learn how things work around here before posting stupid shit. Geisselle giving a member who is in a bad situation replacement parts gains customers. Have you seen how many people in this thread have said they would buy more Geisselle stuff after Bill posted? |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:51:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:58:55 PM EDT
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I think he's a tool, but he's right. It could be written off as a business loss. Ice down your tampons just a bit. Hammer him for being an uncool thing crass piece of crap, but he was right. Ice yourself down Einstein because you don't get it either. Even if he lists it as a loss the most he would get would be the cost of the goods donated multiplied by his business tax rate. So probably 25% of the material and labor cost. Not much of a write off huh? |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:08:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:16:31 PM EDT
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Today I found out Shadow Ops weaponry, (who was pretty much making a family heirloom rifle chambered in 300BLK and 5.56 for me) was shut down by their investors, the ATF, and Colorado State Officials due to improper use of funds and would be shortly filing chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is how I was informed: All further contact for orders and inquiries should be directed to the Vice President of Shadow Ops Weaponry. He will be able to assist you with all matters, as he has locked all other empl;oyees out of the company, and none of us will be able to assist you further from this point forward. XXXXX XXXXXr, VP [email protected] Thank you, The former staff of Shadow Ops Weaponry LLC In their possession is a billet lower that was manufactured by them that was full of Noveske Rifleworks and ALG Defense goodies (this lower is actually registered to me) and was in for repair. 2 Geissele Automatics, LLC Handguards (a 10" MK1 and a 15"MK2 that were in for cerakoting), and the 2 billet uppers that I had paid to be cerakoted but never received (if they were ever manufactured). To make matters worse- I paid for everything over 18 months ago and am out the cash for the parts. Please take note folks and learn from my mistake- Don't work with people who may be a fly by night shop- stick with people like Joint Force Enterprises for your cerakote needs or Noveske, Mega Arms, or Seekins Precision for billet parts- Even if you can't have them ordered with your grandfathers, fathers, and your name on them- (end of rant). Don't sweat the Geissele or ALG stuff. Call into James in Customer service and we will replace at N/C what they ripped off. Hope this helps lessen the pain somewhat. 
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:21:10 PM EDT
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Nope not at all, and the unbridled optimism in here is infectious. If GA was here, they would tell you the exact same thing I am. But I'm new here, so I obviously have no idea how capitalism works in a free market. BTW, greed is good.....or something to that affect. So your point in coming and posting this was to just crap all over it? What you should've done is just not said anything and left the thread. You won't last long here. Now I'm going to buy something from there and I can't even afford it. lmao |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:22:38 PM EDT
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Are you one of his business associates? I find it interesting how so many are commenting on a persons intentions, and moral fiber. I'm not trying to detract from GA stepping up to the plate and going above and beyond (far from it), but you can't tell me for one minute that a successful business man isn't always thinking about his bottom line and reputation. We are talking about two different things here......1. GA is doing a good deed 2. Publicly announcing on a forum that they are doing a good deed (instead of just sending the OP an IM) for future/returning customers to see is a smart business decision. The fact you guys can't put two and two together is a little puzzling........it's economics and marketing 101. For those of us who have known Bill for a few years now and who own many of his products......you not only don't know what you are talking about, it was also (imo) disingenuous of you to post what you posted. True story. Bill Geissele is one hell of a guy. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:25:01 PM EDT
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