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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:16:19 AM EDT
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Mr. Lutrell's opinion is not universally shared in Mr. Lutrell's community, from what I understand.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:17:02 AM EDT
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I wonder what the backlash was when "Enemy at the Gates" was released?
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:17:49 AM EDT
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He's not a goddamn Navy SEAL. He was UDT. 
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:17:53 AM EDT
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So at what point does the greater SEAL community disavow one of its own and turn their backs on this guy for being a moron? They are in the process of getting him kicked out of the association. Here is the petition:http://www.maritimetacticalsecurity.com/CommunityAlerts |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:23:54 AM EDT
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Mr. Lutrell's opinion is not universally shared in Mr. Lutrell's community, from what I understand. There aren't many opinions that are "universally shared" in that community or any other... Nobody really likes Ventura, but the "He's not a SEAL" movement really didn't get much support until the last few months. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:31:53 AM EDT
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Nobody really likes Ventura, but the "He's not a SEAL" movement really didn't get much support until the last few months. There's a measure of respect involved in the whole UDT/SEAL thing, as far as I can tell...and it seems that if somebody insists on running around and showing a profound lack of respect based entirely on a personal grudge and a lust for attention then that reservoir of good will diminishes pretty quick. I believe that Mr. Ventura has been given the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I also believe that his antics have given lots of people incentive to stop giving him the benefit of that doubt. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:36:53 AM EDT
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There aren't many opinions that are "universally shared" in that community or any other... Nobody really likes Ventura, but the "He's not a SEAL" movement really didn't get much support until the last few months. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mr. Lutrell's opinion is not universally shared in Mr. Lutrell's community, from what I understand. There aren't many opinions that are "universally shared" in that community or any other... Nobody really likes Ventura, but the "He's not a SEAL" movement really didn't get much support until the last few months. Luttrell writes that Ventura was part of the end ceremonies of his SEAL training... Ventura has always been nutty... But it's only been recently that he showed his ass by going for the throat of Kyles widow... |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:38:01 AM EDT
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Mr. Lutrell's opinion is not universally shared in Mr. Lutrell's community, from what I understand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mr. Lutrell's opinion is not universally shared in Mr. Lutrell's community, from what I understand. That is true and this has been going on for years. Gary "Bones" Bonnelli, former XO of SEAL Team 2 and CO of UDT Team 11 had this to say in 2001: I also drew on my 16 years as a SEAL, that included a combat tour as officer-in-charge of SEAL Team 1, Detachment Golf, duty as executive officer of SEAL Team 2 during the war, and a stint as commanding officer of UDT 11 after the war. Why would Ventura - who loves to run his mouth about having been a SEAL - suddenly clam up when I publicly stated in so many words that he was, as my grandma used to say, full of more crap than a Christmas turkey? The governor could have silenced me and his growing pack of critics by simply producing his discharge certificate from active duty, called a DD 214. If he'd been one of America's roughest, toughest, meanest mothers, then that document would list Then there's your UDT buddy, Gary 'Bones' Bonnelli, who says you weren't in Nam with him, but that you were floating around the South China Sea, on a ship with the Amphibious Ready Group -- making ports of call in such high-threat areas as Hong Kong, Singapore, and Bangkok.the qualification for all the world to see. And if the SEAL/UDT designation were truly interchangeable, the form would reflect that. But I know it doesn't without even looking at it. The UDT designation, or Navy Enlisted Classification (NEC) - was 5321/22 and the SEAL designation was 5326.
How do I know this? Because as the executive officer of SEAL Team 2, I recommended men for the 5326 designation after they had completed a six month probationary period. Many of these men came from UDTs as 5321/22s. As commanding officer of UDT 11, I awarded the 5321/22 designation to frogmen after their probationary period. Interchangeable designation my ass. So the guy whose JOB was to certify UDTs for transition to SEALs says he isn't one for the simple fact that he never attempted nor completed the qualification process as delineated by Naval Regulations at the time of the ending of the UDT NEC. It really does not get more plain nor logical than that. Link to article from 2001, not "a few months ago." |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:41:02 AM EDT
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<----still thinks Kyle would have won the civil case if alive to testify.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:44:34 AM EDT
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<----still thinks Kyle would have won the civil case if alive to testify. Ditto. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:45:00 AM EDT
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That is true and this has been going on for years. Gary "Bones" Bonnelli, former XO of SEAL Team 2 and CO of UDT Team 11 had this to say in 2001: So the guy whose JOB was to certify UDTs for transition to SEALs says he isn't one for the simple fact that he never attempted nor completed the qualification process as delineated by Naval Regulations at the time of the ending of the UDT NEC. It really does not get more plain nor logical than that. Link to article from 2001, not "a few months ago." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mr. Lutrell's opinion is not universally shared in Mr. Lutrell's community, from what I understand. That is true and this has been going on for years. Gary "Bones" Bonnelli, former XO of SEAL Team 2 and CO of UDT Team 11 had this to say in 2001: I also drew on my 16 years as a SEAL, that included a combat tour as officer-in-charge of SEAL Team 1, Detachment Golf, duty as executive officer of SEAL Team 2 during the war, and a stint as commanding officer of UDT 11 after the war. Why would Ventura - who loves to run his mouth about having been a SEAL - suddenly clam up when I publicly stated in so many words that he was, as my grandma used to say, full of more crap than a Christmas turkey? The governor could have silenced me and his growing pack of critics by simply producing his discharge certificate from active duty, called a DD 214. If he'd been one of America's roughest, toughest, meanest mothers, then that document would list Then there's your UDT buddy, Gary 'Bones' Bonnelli, who says you weren't in Nam with him, but that you were floating around the South China Sea, on a ship with the Amphibious Ready Group -- making ports of call in such high-threat areas as Hong Kong, Singapore, and Bangkok.the qualification for all the world to see. And if the SEAL/UDT designation were truly interchangeable, the form would reflect that. But I know it doesn't without even looking at it. The UDT designation, or Navy Enlisted Classification (NEC) - was 5321/22 and the SEAL designation was 5326.
How do I know this? Because as the executive officer of SEAL Team 2, I recommended men for the 5326 designation after they had completed a six month probationary period. Many of these men came from UDTs as 5321/22s. As commanding officer of UDT 11, I awarded the 5321/22 designation to frogmen after their probationary period. Interchangeable designation my ass. So the guy whose JOB was to certify UDTs for transition to SEALs says he isn't one for the simple fact that he never attempted nor completed the qualification process as delineated by Naval Regulations at the time of the ending of the UDT NEC. It really does not get more plain nor logical than that. Link to article from 2001, not "a few months ago." Boom. Now it all comes together... Now it makes complete sense why Ventura refused to provide any documentation about his military record during his legal fight against Kyles widow... Link |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:46:47 AM EDT
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I have no doubt that something was said and happened between JV and Chris Kyle at the bar, maybe it didn't go down just like he said but when you have a room full of drunk people who knows what exactly was said or happened.
Edited to add: I give more credence to Kyle's version of events more than I believe JV, simply because of JVs behavior in the past and in the present. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:47:27 AM EDT
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No wonder people think us Libertarians are pot smoking idiots. He just demonstrated both. Too bad his idiocy stereotypes people who actually have a fucking clue.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:48:07 AM EDT
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I wish the biggest DEVGRU SEAL would pop that fucker in the mouth, so that he couldn't utter another word for about 5yrs.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:49:07 AM EDT
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I have no doubt that something was said and happened between JV and Chris Kyle at the bar, maybe it didn't go down just like he said but when you have a room full of drunk people who knows what exactly was said or happened. Right. In the effort to smear a dead guy because the dead guy told people that Ventura was a shithead who dishonored the service of SEALs, Ventura goes on national television and argues that SEALs doing work in Iraq and Afghanistan were basically Nazis. Way to prove that dead guy wrong, Jesse! |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:49:08 AM EDT
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So Marcus Luttrell must be full of shit then?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdDW2HblKmg
"Mr. Ventura is my senior, and he's a SEAL. He is a Navy SEAL, and his trident is just as gold as anybody else in our community" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's not a goddamn Navy SEAL. He was UDT. He never completed fucking SQT. So Marcus Luttrell must be full of shit then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdDW2HblKmg
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He's not a goddamn Navy SEAL. He was UDT. The NEC for UDT, and SEAL were different at the time. They were separate jobs. They didn't get rolled together until eight years after Ventura left the Navy. He wasn't in a SEAL team either. (At least not to my knowledge.) |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:49:55 AM EDT
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I was trying to remain neutral on ventura due to his status as a vet and the fact that he won his suit, meant that he had some basis to his claim, but now that it's over and he won, the continued attacks are useless, he can go munch a dick. What a dirt bag.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:50:18 AM EDT
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I wish the biggest DEVGRU SEAL would pop that fucker in the mouth, so that he couldn't utter another word for about 5yrs. lol he did and he got sued for it |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:51:55 AM EDT
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lol he did and he got sued for it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish the biggest DEVGRU SEAL would pop that fucker in the mouth, so that he couldn't utter another word for about 5yrs. lol he did and he got sued for it CK wasn't in DEVGRU. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:56:10 AM EDT
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When Alan Colmes is calling you out as an liberal idiot.....
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:58:18 AM EDT
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He won his suit because the defendant, Kyle, was not able to appear because he had been murdered. Like I said in my previous post, a bunch of people drinking in a bar are not the best of eyewitnesses. Only two people knew for sure what happened and one of them is dead so I think the outcome was expected.
And I also respect JVs service, however that does not excuse his post service behavior, especially in this suit. Also who the fuck sues over words in a barfight? If I punched everyone that had been an idiot in a bar I was in I wouldn't have any friends and would probably be in jail for life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I was trying to remain neutral on ventura due to his status as a vet and the fact that he won his suit, meant that he had some basis to his claim, but now that it's over and he won, the continued attacks are useless, he can go munch a dick. What a dirt bag. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:58:52 AM EDT
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By his logic, the US invading Germany in WWII was an evil act? More US Soldiers should have died in that "invasion"? What a piece of shit. I can't say it better than this. I'm sure the Jesse "ventura" ball sack hangers will be along any moment to spin this, though. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:00:00 AM EDT
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After the jury verdict in the civil suit and hearing of some of the odd stories that are being attributed to Kyle, I was starting to wonder if the whole Ventura thing wasn't a bit of a tall tale. After reading this, I'm pretty confident it did go down like Kyle claimed.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:02:10 AM EDT
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Gone? He's been nuts for decades Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow, he's gone off the deep end. What a nut. What are you talking about. He's not crazy but brainwashed of course. 
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:04:08 AM EDT
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<----still thinks Kyle would have won the civil case if alive to testify. Ditto. I highly doubt that. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:05:04 AM EDT
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The NEC for UDT, and SEAL were different at the time. They were separate jobs. They didn't get rolled together until eight years after Ventura left the Navy. He wasn't in a SEAL team either. (At least not to my knowledge.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's not a goddamn Navy SEAL. He was UDT. He never completed fucking SQT. So Marcus Luttrell must be full of shit then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdDW2HblKmg
"Mr. Ventura is my senior, and he's a SEAL. He is a Navy SEAL, and his trident is just as gold as anybody else in our community" Quoted:
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He's not a goddamn Navy SEAL. He was UDT. The NEC for UDT, and SEAL were different at the time. They were separate jobs. They didn't get rolled together until eight years after Ventura left the Navy. He wasn't in a SEAL team either. (At least not to my knowledge.) So Luttrell doesn't know any better? Or maybe that's simply not the issue. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:07:49 AM EDT
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So Luttrell doesn't know any better? Or maybe that's simply not the issue. I don't think Mr. Lutrell has scrutinized DD214's. I do think that Mr. Lutrell is a nice guy with lots of respect who was primarily interested in not showing any disrespect to the UDT guys who were adopted into the SEAL community because one dumbass was out there saying stupid shit he didn't agree with. ...which, I think, nicely demonstrates the difference between Mr. Lutrell and Jesse. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:09:40 AM EDT
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Wait, Ventua is a former Navy Seal? That makes him an even bigger douche. I guess he cant just shut his attention whoring mouth. "Silent professionals," right?
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:11:41 AM EDT
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So Luttrell doesn't know any better? Or maybe that's simply not the issue. JW_777 replied to this better than I could have. I'm not calling Luttrell a liar. I don't think Luttrell has an agenda, or even anything to do with what I'm saying. But facts are facts. They were two different jobs, and UDTs didn't get rolled into SEAL units until after Ventura left the Navy. Then Ventura started claiming to be a SEAL despite having not completed SQT, and not serving on a SEAL Team. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:12:32 AM EDT
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I don't think Mr. Lutrell has scrutinized DD214's. I do think that Mr. Lutrell is a nice guy with lots of respect who was primarily interested in not showing any disrespect to the UDT guys who were adopted into the SEAL community because one dumbass was out there saying stupid shit he didn't agree with. ...which, I think, nicely demonstrates the difference between Mr. Lutrell and Jesse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Luttrell doesn't know any better? Or maybe that's simply not the issue. I don't think Mr. Lutrell has scrutinized DD214's. I do think that Mr. Lutrell is a nice guy with lots of respect who was primarily interested in not showing any disrespect to the UDT guys who were adopted into the SEAL community because one dumbass was out there saying stupid shit he didn't agree with. ...which, I think, nicely demonstrates the difference between Mr. Lutrell and Jesse. I would tend to agree with the last part at least... But the statement he made was something he absolutely didn't have to say, if the guy wasn't a SEAL, he'd have been free to say anything he wanted. As it was, he said he wasn't going to talk shit in public, so to speak, because the guy was not only a SEAL, but one of his seniors and we don't talk bad about family, even if they are fucking up (of course that's badly paraphrased, but I think that was mostly his intent). My brother's always going to be my brother, even if does something he shouldn't -- he might get his ass beat in private, but that doesn't change who he is. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:13:24 AM EDT
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The Arfcom mob has decided to excoriate Ventura and hero-worship Kyle. This is an official fact-free zone.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:14:21 AM EDT
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............... I would tend to agree with the last part at least... But the statement he made was something he absolutely didn't have to say, if the guy wasn't a SEAL, he'd have been free to say anything he wanted. As it was, he said he wasn't going to talk shit in public, so to speak, because the guy was not only a SEAL, but one of his seniors and we don't talk bad about family, even if they are fucking up (of course that's badly paraphrased, but I think that was mostly his intent). My brother's always going to be my brother, even if does something he shouldn't -- he might get his ass beat in private, but that doesn't change who he is. Christ.......considering the bullshit coming out of his whacked out mouth...........I am beginning to wonder if Ventura is even an American for god's sake. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:16:41 AM EDT
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Fuck James Janos right in his cock warmer.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:16:58 AM EDT
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The Arfcom mob has decided to excoriate Ventura and hero-worship Kyle. This is an official fact-free zone. Ventura is an asshole and a loon. I've yet to hear anyone with any experience with Mr. Kyle, other than Mr. Ventura, have anything bad to say about him. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:17:58 AM EDT
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The Arfcom mob has decided to excoriate Ventura and hero-worship Kyle. This is an official fact-free zone. So Ventura didn't compare OIF/OEF vets to Nazis? |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:18:25 AM EDT
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Starts at 1:00
Eta... FUCK JV. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:20:37 AM EDT
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The Arfcom mob has decided to excoriate Ventura and hero-worship Kyle. This is an official fact-free zone. When Kyle died, and Venturas suit against him died with him... Ventura dug his own grave by going after Kyles wife by re-filing against *her* Ventura has more mud on his hands than anything he went after Kyles widow for... And this statement about Nazis gives some level of credibility to Kyles side of the story... Kyle said Ventura ran his mouth, and it led to an altercation... Makes Kyles version of events seem plausible... Now... Kyle wasn't "perfect" either... But Ventura has been the bigger douche from start to finish... |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:23:17 AM EDT
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............... When Kyle died, and Venturas suit against him died with him... Ventura dug his own grave by going after Kyles wife by re-filing against *her* Ventura has more mud on his hands than anything he went after Kyles widow for... And this statement about Nazis gives some level of credibility to Kyles side of the story... Kyle said Ventura ran his mouth, and it led to an altercation... Makes Kyles version of events seem plausible... Now... Kyle wasn't "perfect" either... But Ventura has been the bigger douche from start to finish... How could you ever say that about Venturass..............I mean all he said was the American military is akin to the Nazis and Soviets.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:23:51 AM EDT
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There may very well be truth to Kyles version of events... Sources put Ventura *at* the bar... And if he said something like this to Kyle... Huh. Makes me think... Ventura testified that he was at the bar. So, yeah, he was there. And, he was Jesse Ventura. And Jesse Ventura sure seems to Jesse Ventura, even under well controlled circumstances. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:27:57 AM EDT
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 W.T.F.??? 
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:29:04 AM EDT
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Wow, he's gone off the deep end. What a nut. Yup...... |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:30:08 AM EDT
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The Arfcom mob has decided to excoriate Ventura... [snip] This is an official fact-free zone. "Ventura" gives us PLENTY of reason to excoriate him. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:39:59 AM EDT
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Fuck James Janos right in his cock warmer. This is my opinion: I don't trust ANYONE who changes their given name for a pop song title! Wasn't Daddy's name good enough? |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:41:45 AM EDT
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Christ.......considering the bullshit coming out of his whacked out mouth...........I am beginning to wonder if Ventura is even an American for god's sake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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............... I would tend to agree with the last part at least... But the statement he made was something he absolutely didn't have to say, if the guy wasn't a SEAL, he'd have been free to say anything he wanted. As it was, he said he wasn't going to talk shit in public, so to speak, because the guy was not only a SEAL, but one of his seniors and we don't talk bad about family, even if they are fucking up (of course that's badly paraphrased, but I think that was mostly his intent). My brother's always going to be my brother, even if does something he shouldn't -- he might get his ass beat in private, but that doesn't change who he is. Christ.......considering the bullshit coming out of his whacked out mouth...........I am beginning to wonder if Ventura is even an American for god's sake. Disagreement is part of who we are. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:42:19 AM EDT
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When the word assclown becomes a word in Websters Dictionary, that shitdicks picture should be all their is for a definition.
Just the word assclown, then Jesse "Aint got time to shut the fuck up" Venturas picture. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:43:13 AM EDT
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.............. Disagreement is part of who we are. Yeah but the American military is akin to the Nazis and Soviets?
And he was a Navy Seal?
So, yeah I concede you are right but....................................Jesse is
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:43:54 AM EDT
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what the fucking kind of look is he trying to pull off?
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:44:36 AM EDT
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what the fucking kind of look is he trying to pull off? Fuck if I know. "Fu Man Loon"? |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:45:47 AM EDT
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Yeah but the American military is akin to the Nazis and Soviets?
And he was a Navy Seal?
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.............. Disagreement is part of who we are. Yeah but the American military is akin to the Nazis and Soviets?
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first amendment... People do get to say what they want. That said, that's not really exactly what he said. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:46:29 AM EDT
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