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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:15:36 PM EDT
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Do you know about the physical causes of PTSD? The Amygdula(sp?) glan and what happens when adrenalin shoots thru it? Lots available on the internet. I go from 0 to 100 in a second when my adrenaline goes off.
I had no idea I had it for years. I knew something was wrong for years. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:07:19 PM EDT
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Probably goes back a long time. WW1 vets were said to have "shell shock" usually because so many of them that had PTSD or similar issues had been run through one or more barrages. The assumption being if you were too close to one or more big explosions you could have lasting neurological damage. Which is not an illogical leap to make. Probably hid other underlying causes.
Shell shocked veterans were common and didn't get a lot of negative reaction. They were just recognized as being unable to fully function in society. Many of them also had gas injuries. My Dad's uncle came back from WW1 gassed and shocked, lived about 30 more years, basically doing make work in family businesses. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:12:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:18:21 PM EDT
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I'm anticipating that you will not get a lot of meaningful responses.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:32:53 PM EDT
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Most guys that have some sort of stress from being in combat flatly don't want to talk about it. Talking about it is a good way to get labeled, or if you are a cop, get your gun and badge taken away.
Besides, quite frankly, unless you have had similar war experience, most are not going to talk to someone who cannot relate. "Counselors" are the most pathetic non warfighter type, and the last thing I'm going to do is open up to one. From my experiences, more often than not, the guys doing the most talking are usually attention seeking phonies... |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:33:20 PM EDT
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PTSD is not just for veterans.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:36:11 PM EDT
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Now a days it doesn't even matter if you have it or not. Movies, TV, and Society have labeled Veterans as "Broken" or "Psychotic" and seem to think that PTSD causes mental issues that they really do not.
Want an example? Look at the PTSD Public Service Announcement that is known as American Sniper. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:37:26 PM EDT
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Make a two fists using all of the strength you can muster with your arms. This is what PTSD makes you entire body & mind feel like, but in a series of pulses.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:41:25 PM EDT
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Make a two fists using all of the strength you can muster with your arms. This is what PTSD makes you entire body & mind feel like, but in a series of pulses. You probably just need to take a shit. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:44:34 PM EDT
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:44:50 PM EDT
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:46:12 PM EDT
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When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:49:23 PM EDT
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Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. I agree with him. I would say the world over PTSD is more common with non military types since most people specifically women and children undergo none of the mental, physical and emotional hardening that people undergo in the service. Of course PTSD is used generally as a catch all for any mental ailment of post 9/11 service-members, where as civilians with competent medical care available generally get diagnosed with an actual specific condition that can result from traumatic stress. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:49:50 PM EDT
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I'm anticipating that you will not get a lot of meaningful and educated experienced responses. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:50:21 PM EDT
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I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. Why not? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:50:36 PM EDT
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I agree with him. I would say the world over PTSD is more common with non military types since most people specifically women and children undergo none of the mental, physical and emotional hardening that people undergo in the service. Of course PTSD is used generally as a catch all for any mental ailment of post 9/11 service-members, where as civilians with competent medical care available generally get diagnosed with an actual specific condition that can result from traumatic stress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. I agree with him. I would say the world over PTSD is more common with non military types since most people specifically women and children undergo none of the mental, physical and emotional hardening that people undergo in the service. Of course PTSD is used generally as a catch all for any mental ailment of post 9/11 service-members, where as civilians with competent medical care available generally get diagnosed with an actual specific condition that can result from traumatic stress. Ambien isn't the Answer? Who'da thunk it |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:51:30 PM EDT
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I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:53:57 PM EDT
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Not at all, I'm just saying that people usually talk about PTSD in the context of veterans, but there are others that suffer from it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. You are correct. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:54:12 PM EDT
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It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Yup. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:58:27 PM EDT
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I agree with him. I would say the world over PTSD is more common with non military types since most people specifically women and children undergo none of the mental, physical and emotional hardening that people undergo in the service. Of course PTSD is used generally as a catch all for any mental ailment of post 9/11 service-members, where as civilians with competent medical care available generally get diagnosed with an actual specific condition that can result from traumatic stress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. I agree with him. I would say the world over PTSD is more common with non military types since most people specifically women and children undergo none of the mental, physical and emotional hardening that people undergo in the service. Of course PTSD is used generally as a catch all for any mental ailment of post 9/11 service-members, where as civilians with competent medical care available generally get diagnosed with an actual specific condition that can result from traumatic stress. Look, I don't know where you guys get your idea about what ptsd is or how it's caused but almost everything I've read in these posts is wrong. Just being diagnosed takes several symptoms to fall into the low end of ptsd. The more severe, the more boxes that need to be checked, for the lack of better words. PTSD can possibly be the cause of a singular event but is rare and usually falls on the civilian side in that case. So, you were somewhat correct about that. PTSD isn't a catch all, not when you enter the realm of severe ptsd. I've got quite a few years experience on this subject now. Almost everything I see posted here is wrong and based on heresay and lack of experience on the subject. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:00:12 PM EDT
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I had a redheaded Mama Ole Clubber is what I called her, she'd beat the shit out of ya while dear ole daddy was @ work for nothing. Then daddy bailed & I suffered the Full Wraith of Clubber.  ETA: Long Before Uncle Man's Imperial Service |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:00:39 PM EDT
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Didn't you start a thread in team on this and it didn't go so well?? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:01:10 PM EDT
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What does everyone think the symptoms of PTSD are? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:06:13 PM EDT
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It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Where did you get that? You can't just go in and say, this one thing or these two things are going on and get diagnosed with ptsd. You also, in general, can't go in and have been a clerk on a fob and get diagnosed easily. Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem very misinformed on the subject. There are a lot of things that are taken into account and believe it or not, they do look at your records. Having said that, there are shitheads that go in and fake it. I've heard the stories about it at the va. Some get away with it, a lot of them don't. The bottom line is that most people haven't got a clue what ptsd is or what causes it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:06:33 PM EDT
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Not at all, I'm just saying that people usually talk about PTSD in the context of veterans, but there are others that suffer from it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. Of course |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:07:44 PM EDT
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Ok What does everyone think the symptoms of PTSD are? The normal checklist that is used is close to three pages long, listing symptoms. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PTSD is not just for veterans. Yeah. It's now for FSA who latch onto it as a DX for getting shot at during a drug deal and get SS disability for the rest of their lives.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:10:09 PM EDT
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Ok What does everyone think the symptoms of PTSD are? "PTSD symptoms are generally grouped into four types: intrusive memories, avoidance, negative changes in thinking and mood, or changes in emotional reactions." |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:10:49 PM EDT
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PTSD=people train to shoot and drink.
For me it is pretty mild, I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and check the door locks and go outside and make sure the cars and trucks are locked. I have bad dreams rarely. I sometimes get stuff on my mind and can't leave it alone, like I rehash a situation a bazillion times and can't fucking leave it alone for like, a day. And the ever present trimmer leg whenever I'm sitting down in public. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok What does everyone think the symptoms of PTSD are? From memory (as a VA rating board guy from 00-07) Hypervigilance Unprovoked irritability Intrusive recollections (aka flashbacks) Anxiety Heightened startle response Difficulty concentrating Sleep disturbances Occupational and Social Impairment (from isolation) Avoidance behavior Etc. ETA; what any normal person would be like after prolonged exposure to combat (IMO) |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:13:28 PM EDT
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When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:15:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:15:09 PM EDT
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Make a two fists using all of the strength you can muster with your arms. This is what PTSD makes you entire body & mind feel like, but in a series of pulses. You probably just need to take a shit. Yep, I just took one, but it's still there. Maybe I can get House to build me a box to fix it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:15:48 PM EDT
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Where did you get that? You can't just go in and say, this one thing or these two things are going on and get diagnosed with ptsd. You also, in general, can't go in and have been a clerk on a fob and get diagnosed easily. Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem very misinformed on the subject. There are a lot of things that are taken into account and believe it or not, they do look at your records. Having said that, there are shitheads that go in and fake it. I've heard the stories about it at the va. Some get away with it, a lot of them don't. The bottom line is that most people haven't got a clue what ptsd is or what causes it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Where did you get that? You can't just go in and say, this one thing or these two things are going on and get diagnosed with ptsd. You also, in general, can't go in and have been a clerk on a fob and get diagnosed easily. Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem very misinformed on the subject. There are a lot of things that are taken into account and believe it or not, they do look at your records. Having said that, there are shitheads that go in and fake it. I've heard the stories about it at the va. Some get away with it, a lot of them don't. The bottom line is that most people haven't got a clue what ptsd is or what causes it. What about sexual assault victims, people in car accidents, people who almost drown, etc? Does being a soft ass civvie preclude someone from getting PTSD from something we consider trivial? Or is the personal context of the individual the deciding factor? ETA NM, saw you responded with that above. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:17:35 PM EDT
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There are a lot of internet psychs out there but true PTSD is caused by an event(s) that are so traumatizing to the individual to cause changes from the norm in neurotransmission. NIMH has a fairly good screening tool for physicians. Unlike the wars of past we can use the rapid casevac rom the battlefield to better understand, treat, and in some cases prevent PTSD. We are doing the same for neuro/surgery as well.
If caught early, the administration of a high dose benzo has shown real benefit but there are administration issues with this because handing out xanax on the battlefield is tricky. Each individual reacts differently to a given stress, lending weight to a possible genetic predisposition as with post partum depression. But this still does not address a possible cumulative theory that is being explored through VA records and deployment history. As with any mental illness the best approach is a balanced cocktail of medications, psychotherapy, and learned coping mechanisms. The PTSD dog programs have added a new and effective component to this mix, but too few dollars and dogs with patients having to be sponsored or pay out of pocket for the $50K dog. IM me if you like I have some resources I can dig out of storage (we moved, it's in a box  ).EDIT - to address the vet vs public issue - the total % of PTSD to total anxiety patient population has always been less than 5% until the war on terror. Vets have pushed that percentage to higher levels compared to post WW2 estimates. But those estimates are tough given the climate of the 1940's. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:18:01 PM EDT
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Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. Are you really trying to make it some competition? Most people don't get ptsd from a single event. It normally occurs with sustained exposure. I'm not saying a civilian can't get it but they sure aren't being exposed to extreme circumstances on a regular basis. Take it for what it's worth and please don't try to derail this thread. I'll play. Try this guy. His father died slowly at home of cancer when the kid was 15. Mother did the same thing when he was 19. He had spent several years as her sole caregiver. Spent much of his senior year in high school changing bandages. Had a hellish marriage of 30 years in which wife threatened to leave, would wake him up in middle of night screaming at him, and openly admitted to spending money to destoy him. Meanwhile his 17 year old son hung himself at school when he was 40. Daughter was raped at college when he was 45. Anxiety issues cost him at least three jobs. Went into business for himself and failed. Severe plaque psorriasis that covered him from scalp to under his toenails. Bi-polar. Now he is doing fine. Has a good shrink, a loving wife, clear skin, 3 1/2 grandchildren, great job and good health. However, he is always on alert. He always feels that there is a "lion in the tall grass waiting to pounce." Always waits for the other shoe to fall. When a crisis hits he frequently shuts down and enters an emotional bunker. His doctor says that 40 years of emotional shock, abandonment, and unrelenting stress have altered his brain and that he does indeed have PTSD. His best friend spent a long and distinguished career in the Army including stints in places where people were trying to kill him. His friend says that he personally could not have held up to emotional stress of claiming his son's body and arranging to bury him while his wife informed him that she was done with him because he hadn't been emotionally supportive during the tragedy. If you think that a person has to be in combat to acquire PTSD, you are wrong. What is worse? Watching your friend die in front of you or holding your dead son in your arms after someone found him hanging from a street light? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:20:20 PM EDT
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Where did you get that? You can't just go in and say, this one thing or these two things are going on and get diagnosed with ptsd. You also, in general, can't go in and have been a clerk on a fob and get diagnosed easily. Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem very misinformed on the subject. There are a lot of things that are taken into account and believe it or not, they do look at your records. Having said that, there are shitheads that go in and fake it. I've heard the stories about it at the va. Some get away with it, a lot of them don't. The bottom line is that most people haven't got a clue what ptsd is or what causes it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PTSD is not just for veterans. When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Where did you get that? You can't just go in and say, this one thing or these two things are going on and get diagnosed with ptsd. You also, in general, can't go in and have been a clerk on a fob and get diagnosed easily. Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem very misinformed on the subject. There are a lot of things that are taken into account and believe it or not, they do look at your records. Having said that, there are shitheads that go in and fake it. I've heard the stories about it at the va. Some get away with it, a lot of them don't. The bottom line is that most people haven't got a clue what ptsd is or what causes it. Because I've seen it happen. People have been diagnosed with it for simply being on a FOB during rocket attacks for 9 months. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:21:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about sexual assault victims, people in car accidents, people who almost drown, etc? Does being a soft ass civvie preclude someone from getting PTSD from something we consider trivial? Or is the personal context of the individual the deciding factor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When my girlfriend was raped in my apartment I think I was affected by it. "Normal" no longer existed, nothing seemed important anymore, whoever I used to be prior to that seems to have died, and the incident dominated my thoughts for many months/years. People would talk and I wouldn't hear them because my mind kept reliving the incident or thinking of them returning and me having to confront them or imagining their capture. I was in a constant state of high alert. That's what I *THINK* PTSD is. Just massive stress that you can't get closure on and your body kinda goes on autopilot while your brain is trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. I'm not dying to down play your experience but that is as far from ptsd as something could be. It's the same shit they are diagnosing as PTSD for vets though. Where did you get that? You can't just go in and say, this one thing or these two things are going on and get diagnosed with ptsd. You also, in general, can't go in and have been a clerk on a fob and get diagnosed easily. Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem very misinformed on the subject. There are a lot of things that are taken into account and believe it or not, they do look at your records. Having said that, there are shitheads that go in and fake it. I've heard the stories about it at the va. Some get away with it, a lot of them don't. The bottom line is that most people haven't got a clue what ptsd is or what causes it. What about sexual assault victims, people in car accidents, people who almost drown, etc? Does being a soft ass civvie preclude someone from getting PTSD from something we consider trivial? Or is the personal context of the individual the deciding factor? When they transitioned from DSM III to IV (I believe it was) they dropped the "beyond the scope of normal human experience" requirement for the PTSD stressor. So, what was intended to be something to capture that beyond most people's circumstances has been watered down to capture stressors more mundane. There's serious $ in the PTSD industry. People are getting in on the gravy train and expanding the market. There are people who argue you can get PTSD by proxy now. Example, someone doing research into X atrocity (without actually being there). Now the push is to say persons under those circumstances get it too. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:25:54 PM EDT
[#40]
Look up the YouTube videos on "shell shock "
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:26:54 PM EDT
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So a lardy fobbit and a lardy grocery cart retriever walk into an MWR. One works in Detroit and one works at BAF.
There's a loud boom from outside of the MWR, and both walruses dive under the fooseball table and tweet their girlfriends about a close call. The EOD guy who just bip'ed a land mine comes in and drinks some Gatorade and takes a nap. Who here has the PTSD. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:30:11 PM EDT
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Anymore it seems if you have any reaction at all to something relatively scary you are pegged for PTSD. If you answer their questions correctly then you are confirmed to have it.
Many I have delt with who were diagnosed with it were just normal reactions to being in a dangerous place for a period of time. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:30:50 PM EDT
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I was diagnosed with PTSD as a child. Recently I talked to my cousin about the subject.
we both have triggers, hers is a sound mine is a smell. when the trigger is activated you have memories so vivid it feels like you are back in that situation, you smell, hear, feel and see everything as if you are in that situation again. Instantly your fight or flight kicks in. when I was a child I would instantly become violent if I smelled rubbing alcohol. As a teen I would ask the DR to use iodine instead of alcohol wipes when I had to get shots. As an adult I am able to tell myself that I am safe and it is all in my mind. PTSD is an intense form of anxiety, with any anxiety I have found being able to recognize the symptoms, keep yourself calm and desensitize yourself to the triggers makes a world of difference. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't you start a thread in team on this and it didn't go so well?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PTSD is not just for veterans. Didn't you start a thread in team on this and it didn't go so well?? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:32:48 PM EDT
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I was diagnosed with PTSD as a child. Recently I talked to my cousin about the subject. we both have triggers, hers is a sound mine is a smell. when the trigger is activated you have memories so vivid it feels like you are back in that situation, you smell, hear, feel and see everything as if you are in that situation again. Instantly your fight or flight kicks in. when I was a child I would instantly become violent if I smelled rubbing alcohol. As a teen I would ask the DR to use iodine instead of alcohol wipes when I had to get shots. As an adult I am able to tell myself that I am safe and it is all in my mind. PTSD is an intense form of anxiety, with any anxiety I have found being able to recognize the symptoms, keep yourself calm and desensitize yourself to the triggers makes a world of difference. This, is what I was talking about above. Thanks for sharing. The less prepared for calamity someone is, the more significantly it effects them - and if you're immersed in it for long enough it doesn't matter how hard you are. That's why shit that happens to kids can change them so spectacularly, and why the third world is so efficient at turning out savages. It's pretty much open season on the young and defenseless. We forget that terrible things happen to kids here constantly. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:39:20 PM EDT
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I'm anticipating that you will not get a lot of meaningful and educated experienced responses. Its GD. Goes without saying. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:49:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who here has the PTSD. Whoever wants the biggest percentage payout. SSDI pays for that too right?
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:50:13 PM EDT
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When in war hyper vigilance is needed and highly regarded. Back home it is paranoia.
In War being quick to violence is a necessity and commonplace. At home it is a serious problem. The problem I've had, and seen in lots of my friends, is you cannot unlearn what has kept you alive. You'll have better luck unlearning 2+2=4. I heard a saying that made sense. Combat veterans are lions. You only see lions in the wild, or in a zoo...Live away from people or stay in a cage. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:52:20 PM EDT
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Who here has the PTSD. Whoever wants the biggest percentage payout. SSDI pays for that too right? Probably. I bet they actually get to use real doctors
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:00:26 PM EDT
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Probably goes back a long time. WW1 vets were said to have "shell shock" usually because so many of them that had PTSD or similar issues had been run through one or more barrages. The assumption being if you were too close to one or more big explosions you could have lasting neurological damage. Which is not an illogical leap to make. Probably hid other underlying causes. Shell shocked veterans were common and didn't get a lot of negative reaction. They were just recognized as being unable to fully function in society. Many of them also had gas injuries. My Dad's uncle came back from WW1 gassed and shocked, lived about 30 more years, basically doing make work in family businesses. The personality changes were noticed a long added time ago. As I recall during the civil war era it was referred to as the soldier's heart. |
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