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Posted: 1/30/2015 2:20:46 PM EDT
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What did Jesus say to the unions?
... ... ... ... ... ... Don't do anything until I get back! 
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Posted: 1/30/2015 2:23:53 PM EDT
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So it is your guys contention that if someone hates unions, it's solely because they are trying to be cool and can no way be driven be repeated shitty experiences with unions? 14 years pulling a flatbed has given me more then enough reasons to hate unions, fuck 'em. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this another one of those, "I'm cool and I'll get brownie points with arfcom bros if I say "I hate union" threads"? lol yep So it is your guys contention that if someone hates unions, it's solely because they are trying to be cool and can no way be driven be repeated shitty experiences with unions? 14 years pulling a flatbed has given me more then enough reasons to hate unions, fuck 'em. Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 3:24:35 PM EDT
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Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this another one of those, "I'm cool and I'll get brownie points with arfcom bros if I say "I hate union" threads"? lol yep So it is your guys contention that if someone hates unions, it's solely because they are trying to be cool and can no way be driven be repeated shitty experiences with unions? 14 years pulling a flatbed has given me more then enough reasons to hate unions, fuck 'em. Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. Other then not answering the question, what is your point? Yes , I'm aware the actors are sag, the crew is something else I'm sure and catering is probably something else all together. I'm pretty ambivalent about them (outta sight, outta mind if you will), but I have enough bullshit from the unions I have dealt with to assign guilt by association. Here's an analogy for you. If there is a group of 50 Hell's Angles and the first 40 you deal with kick your ass, why would you expect any less from the last 10? You're really the first "entertainment" union member I've dealt with So instead of proving my theory about the smug nature of union members, why not answer my question? |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 3:28:15 PM EDT
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Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in a union, I bet that the fact that I get a 15 minute coffee break at 10:00am has got to drive you fuckers crazy. This is why I really just feel bad for union members. They don't know better. They brag about the perks they get because the union feeds it to them... not realizing that those are guaranteed by law whether they're in a union or not. Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? He probably doesn't realize many states don't require breaks, not even lunch. He just thinks he knows everything. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 3:37:11 PM EDT
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Other then not answering the question, what is your point? Yes , I'm aware the actors are sag, the crew is something else I'm sure and catering is probably something else all together. I'm pretty ambivalent about them (outta sight, outta mind if you will), but I have enough bullshit from the unions I have dealt with to assign guilt by association. Here's an analogy for you. If there is a group of 50 Hell's Angles and the first 40 you deal with kick your ass, why would you expect any less from the last 10? You're really the first "entertainment" union member I've dealt with So instead of proving my theory about the smug nature of union members, why not answer my question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this another one of those, "I'm cool and I'll get brownie points with arfcom bros if I say "I hate union" threads"? lol yep So it is your guys contention that if someone hates unions, it's solely because they are trying to be cool and can no way be driven be repeated shitty experiences with unions? 14 years pulling a flatbed has given me more then enough reasons to hate unions, fuck 'em. Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. Other then not answering the question, what is your point? Yes , I'm aware the actors are sag, the crew is something else I'm sure and catering is probably something else all together. I'm pretty ambivalent about them (outta sight, outta mind if you will), but I have enough bullshit from the unions I have dealt with to assign guilt by association. Here's an analogy for you. If there is a group of 50 Hell's Angles and the first 40 you deal with kick your ass, why would you expect any less from the last 10? You're really the first "entertainment" union member I've dealt with So instead of proving my theory about the smug nature of union members, why not answer my question? My point is that the film union IATSE is going no where. So if you don't like it. Don't watch TV or movies. As someone who has worked mostly non-union reality TV jobs, it's nice to get a 401k. I understand where you are coming from though. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 8:49:06 PM EDT
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He probably doesn't realize many states don't require breaks, not even lunch. He just thinks he knows everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in a union, I bet that the fact that I get a 15 minute coffee break at 10:00am has got to drive you fuckers crazy. This is why I really just feel bad for union members. They don't know better. They brag about the perks they get because the union feeds it to them... not realizing that those are guaranteed by law whether they're in a union or not. Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? He probably doesn't realize many states don't require breaks, not even lunch. He just thinks he knows everything. Cool, learned something new! And quite surprising to be honest, I lived most of my life in Ohio, which turns out has no guarantee for breaks by law... and yet every single non-union, hourly job I ever had in that state had breaks. Its almost like companies provide benefits/pay to people according to what the market dictates, not simply the bare minimum required by state law/union contract like so many unions would have their members believe. Weird. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 8:57:11 PM EDT
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I wouldn't get your hopes up for a strike. Only teachers unions strike anymore. It's hard to outsource a school to Mexico. It never works out good for plant managers or the bargaining unit if there is not an tentative. Most contracts are agreed apon in the eleventh hour anyway in my experience. Thats what happened 3 years ago. We got a call about 5 till midnight saying report to work Monday. I expect more of the same this time around. I'm sure that's a great feeling to have someone else do your thinking for you. My union rep said I think for myself just fine thank you. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 9:22:12 PM EDT
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Cool, learned something new! And quite surprising to be honest, I lived most of my life in Ohio, which turns out has no guarantee for breaks by law... and yet every single non-union, hourly job I ever had in that state had breaks. Its almost like companies provide benefits/pay to people according to what the market dictates, not simply the bare minimum required by state law/union contract like so many unions would have their members believe. Weird. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in a union, I bet that the fact that I get a 15 minute coffee break at 10:00am has got to drive you fuckers crazy. This is why I really just feel bad for union members. They don't know better. They brag about the perks they get because the union feeds it to them... not realizing that those are guaranteed by law whether they're in a union or not. Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? He probably doesn't realize many states don't require breaks, not even lunch. He just thinks he knows everything. Cool, learned something new! And quite surprising to be honest, I lived most of my life in Ohio, which turns out has no guarantee for breaks by law... and yet every single non-union, hourly job I ever had in that state had breaks. Its almost like companies provide benefits/pay to people according to what the market dictates, not simply the bare minimum required by state law/union contract like so many unions would have their members believe. Weird. I work for a company in Ohio, whose owner died a self-made billionaire and went to nearly ridiculous lengths to keep the unions out. Ridiculous things like TWO breaks (morning and afternoon, plus lunch). Also, free coffee, bagels, fruit and soft-drink machine. It's amazing how evil these union-busting bosses can be! |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 11:58:00 PM EDT
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I'm on a construction job that has both union and non-union employees. There's some good-natured ribbing.
That's if you consider union hands threatening to follow scabs home after work and beat them to death good-natured. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:18:17 AM EDT
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Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in a union, I bet that the fact that I get a 15 minute coffee break at 10:00am has got to drive you fuckers crazy. This is why I really just feel bad for union members. They don't know better. They brag about the perks they get because the union feeds it to them... not realizing that those are guaranteed by law whether they're in a union or not. Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? Not much. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:23:41 AM EDT
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The federal department I work for is only funded through 27FEB, might not be allowed to work after that, the House is using it as a bargaining chip to try to get something done with immigration, will probably wind up back-paying us to sit at home for a week again like last time. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile At least you got back pay for sitting at home. I work for a GOV Contractor no work no pay but the news went on and on about how everyone that got furloughed got paid. I had plenty of emergency money to get through the furlough but was forced by company policy to use paid leave. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:49:57 AM EDT
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Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this another one of those, "I'm cool and I'll get brownie points with arfcom bros if I say "I hate union" threads"? lol yep So it is your guys contention that if someone hates unions, it's solely because they are trying to be cool and can no way be driven be repeated shitty experiences with unions? 14 years pulling a flatbed has given me more then enough reasons to hate unions, fuck 'em. Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. Are you a guy that plugs cords in or has to wait for the guy that can? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:18:56 AM EDT
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I work for a company in Ohio, whose owner died a self-made billionaire and went to nearly ridiculous lengths to keep the unions out. Ridiculous things like TWO breaks (morning and afternoon, plus lunch). Also, free coffee, bagels, fruit and soft-drink machine. It's amazing how evil these union-busting bosses can be! We do business with a trailer parts supplier that is a sole owned company. Well his employees started talking about unionizing so he told them to go ahead and do that. He told them that he had plenty of money that he could simply close the business and retire. Needless to say, the employees decided not to pursue that idea any further. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:33:00 AM EDT
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The carteling of skilled labor is not anti free market. In fact it is very definition of free market economics. The majority is GD's hatred for Unions is borne out of labor's alignment with Democrats who are anti gun and the co-oping of labor by commies and progressives which started in the 1920s. It is a bit disingenuous to argue that Union greed (which certainly exists same as corporate greed) has had an effect on the American economy in the last 30 years. Union membership is like 11% if you take out public sector civil service unions I bet it is less than 5%. The irony to me is a lack of pensions is going to herald in more socialist federal spending programs in the long run. I am in my 30s. I know plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who have little to no savings. They sure as hell are going to vote for whomever promises them money when they have none. Unions serve in as a check. They are not perfect. Nor is corporate America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does it feel to hate free markets?  The carteling of skilled labor is not anti free market. In fact it is very definition of free market economics. The majority is GD's hatred for Unions is borne out of labor's alignment with Democrats who are anti gun and the co-oping of labor by commies and progressives which started in the 1920s. It is a bit disingenuous to argue that Union greed (which certainly exists same as corporate greed) has had an effect on the American economy in the last 30 years. Union membership is like 11% if you take out public sector civil service unions I bet it is less than 5%. The irony to me is a lack of pensions is going to herald in more socialist federal spending programs in the long run. I am in my 30s. I know plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who have little to no savings. They sure as hell are going to vote for whomever promises them money when they have none. Unions serve in as a check. They are not perfect. Nor is corporate America. And that line of thinking is exactly why I abhor organized labor. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:08:43 AM EDT
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Cool, learned something new! And quite surprising to be honest, I lived most of my life in Ohio, which turns out has no guarantee for breaks by law... and yet every single non-union, hourly job I ever had in that state had breaks. Its almost like companies provide benefits/pay to people according to what the market dictates, not simply the bare minimum required by state law/union contract like so many unions would have their members believe. Weird. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in a union, I bet that the fact that I get a 15 minute coffee break at 10:00am has got to drive you fuckers crazy. This is why I really just feel bad for union members. They don't know better. They brag about the perks they get because the union feeds it to them... not realizing that those are guaranteed by law whether they're in a union or not. Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? He probably doesn't realize many states don't require breaks, not even lunch. He just thinks he knows everything. Cool, learned something new! And quite surprising to be honest, I lived most of my life in Ohio, which turns out has no guarantee for breaks by law... and yet every single non-union, hourly job I ever had in that state had breaks. Its almost like companies provide benefits/pay to people according to what the market dictates, not simply the bare minimum required by state law/union contract like so many unions would have their members believe. Weird. Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:45:35 AM EDT
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At least you got back pay for sitting at home. I work for a GOV Contractor no work no pay but the news went on and on about how everyone that got furloughed got paid. I had plenty of emergency money to get through the furlough but was forced by company policy to use paid leave.
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The federal department I work for is only funded through 27FEB, might not be allowed to work after that, the House is using it as a bargaining chip to try to get something done with immigration, will probably wind up back-paying us to sit at home for a week again like last time. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile At least you got back pay for sitting at home. I work for a GOV Contractor no work no pay but the news went on and on about how everyone that got furloughed got paid. I had plenty of emergency money to get through the furlough but was forced by company policy to use paid leave.
I am a civilian Federal employee, WG10-5, I was furloughed for six days. Got screwed out of six days pay. GS employees across the street were furloughed, got back pay. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:51:23 AM EDT
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The carteling of skilled labor is not anti free market. In fact it is very definition of free market economics. The majority is GD's hatred for Unions is borne out of labor's alignment with Democrats who are anti gun and the co-oping of labor by commies and progressives which started in the 1920s. It is a bit disingenuous to argue that Union greed (which certainly exists same as corporate greed) has had an effect on the American economy in the last 30 years. Union membership is like 11% if you take out public sector civil service unions I bet it is less than 5%. The irony to me is a lack of pensions is going to herald in more socialist federal spending programs in the long run. I am in my 30s. I know plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who have little to no savings. They sure as hell are going to vote for whomever promises them money when they have none. Unions serve in as a check. They are not perfect. Nor is corporate America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does it feel to hate free markets? The carteling of skilled labor is not anti free market. In fact it is very definition of free market economics. The majority is GD's hatred for Unions is borne out of labor's alignment with Democrats who are anti gun and the co-oping of labor by commies and progressives which started in the 1920s. It is a bit disingenuous to argue that Union greed (which certainly exists same as corporate greed) has had an effect on the American economy in the last 30 years. Union membership is like 11% if you take out public sector civil service unions I bet it is less than 5%. The irony to me is a lack of pensions is going to herald in more socialist federal spending programs in the long run. I am in my 30s. I know plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who have little to no savings. They sure as hell are going to vote for whomever promises them money when they have none. Unions serve in as a check. They are not perfect. Nor is corporate America. That and some of us also learned the NLRA fairly well and its predecessors and see what a load of shit thry are....... |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:58:04 AM EDT
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Violence are where I draw the line. Before that it's just negotiation between an employer and employees. That's so cute. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:05:28 AM EDT
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LOL. This picture pisses me off every time I see it. That guy should feel like a real asshole.....still. Yes, he chose........poorly. Nah, he's doing fine. IIRC, he's a union bigwig. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:23:23 AM EDT
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LOL. This picture pisses me off every time I see it. That guy should feel like a real asshole.....still. Yes, he chose........poorly. Nah, he's doing fine. IIRC, he's a union bigwig. Huh, didn't realize he was just a union shill. As I have stated before I am a union member, but I certainly don't blindly support their politics, which in the case of my union, are very left leaning. I don't feel that being a union member and a conservative are necessarily mutually exclusive, and yes they do recommend who we should vote for. The union leadership still seem to feel that the Democrats have all unions best interests solidly at the forefront of their political agenda. I don't think this is necessarily incorrect, but the Republicans in general, do nothing to dissuade them of this. The "stereotype" of the Republicans being for the ownership class or "big business" is solidly based in at least, some truth. Hey guess what, politicians pander to who they perceive as their base, and unions leaders pander to who has historically benefited them. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:00:14 AM EDT
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Huh, didn't realize he was just a union shill. As I have stated before I am a union member, but I certainly don't blindly support their politics, which in the case of my union, are very left leaning. I don't feel that being a union member and a conservative are necessarily mutually exclusive, and yes they do recommend who we should vote for. The union leadership still seem to feel that the Democrats have all unions best interests solidly at the forefront of their political agenda. I don't think this is necessarily incorrect, but the Republicans in general, do nothing to dissuade them of this. The "stereotype" of the Republicans being for the ownership class or "big business" is solidly based in at least, some truth. Hey guess what, politicians pander to who they perceive as their base, and unions leaders pander to who has historically benefited them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL. This picture pisses me off every time I see it. That guy should feel like a real asshole.....still. Yes, he chose........poorly. Nah, he's doing fine. IIRC, he's a union bigwig. Huh, didn't realize he was just a union shill. As I have stated before I am a union member, but I certainly don't blindly support their politics, which in the case of my union, are very left leaning. I don't feel that being a union member and a conservative are necessarily mutually exclusive, and yes they do recommend who we should vote for. The union leadership still seem to feel that the Democrats have all unions best interests solidly at the forefront of their political agenda. I don't think this is necessarily incorrect, but the Republicans in general, do nothing to dissuade them of this. The "stereotype" of the Republicans being for the ownership class or "big business" is solidly based in at least, some truth. Hey guess what, politicians pander to who they perceive as their base, and unions leaders pander to who has historically benefited them. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:08:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if we don't get every job handed to us on a silver platter ............. l]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/angandy/unionrats_zps38bf7039.jpg  "................Witnesses also described torching another construction site; attacking nonunion workers and their cars with baseball bats; rumbling over jobs with the rival carpenters union; and flattening tires and causing other "mischief" on an 18-month picket line outside a new apartment complex..........................." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/union-leader-convicted-in-philadelphia-racketeering-case/ |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:16:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is why I really just feel bad for union members. They don't know better. They brag about the perks they get because the union feeds it to them... not realizing that those are guaranteed by law whether they're in a union or not. Suuure guy. Try this, breaks are not required by law in Iowa. I didn't have any for two years before I switched over, aside from lunch. But what the hell do I know, huh? He probably doesn't realize many states don't require breaks, not even lunch. He just thinks he knows everything. Cool, learned something new! And quite surprising to be honest, I lived most of my life in Ohio, which turns out has no guarantee for breaks by law... and yet every single non-union, hourly job I ever had in that state had breaks. Its almost like companies provide benefits/pay to people according to what the market dictates, not simply the bare minimum required by state law/union contract like so many unions would have their members believe. Weird. Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:20:48 AM EDT
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Are you going to beat the scabs? We have to. Its in our bi-laws. Is it a bi-sexual Union? Or did you mean "by-laws"? 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:26:42 AM EDT
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I wouldn't get your hopes up for a strike. Only teachers unions strike anymore. It's hard to outsource a school to Mexico. It never works out good for plant managers or the bargaining unit if there is not an tentative. Most contracts are agreed apon in the eleventh hour anyway in my experience. Every contract negotiated by locals affiliated with the (national) union I am a member of has a no strike clause. There are very few teacher strikes, especially since most states ban them. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:41:34 AM EDT
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Indiana is a socialist workers paradise. Good to know.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:55:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some engineers and salaried specialists went up to our Illinois facility to work a few years back and local unions not employed at the facility put up the rats. They also slashed tires on vehicles with out of state tags. Funny thing is not a single one of those people have an equivalent union position so weren't "taking union jobs". These fucking low life's were protesting a job site because local union folks weren't used to do jobs they aren't qualified for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: if we don't get every job handed to us on a silver platter ............. l]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/angandy/unionrats_zps38bf7039.jpg "................Witnesses also described torching another construction site; attacking nonunion workers and their cars with baseball bats; rumbling over jobs with the rival carpenters union; and flattening tires and causing other "mischief" on an 18-month picket line outside a new apartment complex..........................." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/union-leader-convicted-in-philadelphia-racketeering-case/ So... No one represented by the IFPTE has the qualifications of your engineers and "specialists"?
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indiana is a socialist workers paradise. Good to know. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:18:19 AM EDT
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Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. Amen! Same here. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:45:47 AM EDT
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In this thread we get to see who has a shitty job and who doesn't.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:52:32 AM EDT
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I'm on a construction job that has both union and non-union employees. There's some good-natured ribbing. That's if you consider union hands threatening to follow scabs home after work and beat them to death good-natured.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j352/txkl37/KIMG0064_zps6dfe252d.jpg~original That's rather clean for a construction site. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 10:26:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:07:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're still governed by the NLRA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Indiana is a socialist workers paradise. Good to know. You're still governed by the NLRA. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:11:19 AM EDT
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Are you a guy that plugs cords in or has to wait for the guy that can? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this another one of those, "I'm cool and I'll get brownie points with arfcom bros if I say "I hate union" threads"? lol yep So it is your guys contention that if someone hates unions, it's solely because they are trying to be cool and can no way be driven be repeated shitty experiences with unions? 14 years pulling a flatbed has given me more then enough reasons to hate unions, fuck 'em. Meh. Once you have worked in the tv/film industry and understand it, come tell me about my union. And next time you watch your favorite show, wait until the end of the credits to see my union logo. Are you a guy that plugs cords in or has to wait for the guy that can? Lol I can plug cords in. Even the non-union production assistants can plug stuff in. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:18:44 AM EDT
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Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. I get it. And unlike some, I don't have anything against the average union member. I'll even go so far as to say that there are probably still some unions that have a purpose. Ideologically, my problem with unions is twofold- that they get special legal protections that companies don't, and that they manipulate the political system to keep them (yes, I hate crony capitalism just as much). Personally, my problem with unions (not members) is that in my experience (large, national unions) they are without exception filled with the lowest form of human scum that I've ever encountered, who lie and blatantly break or skirt the law in order to pad membership, while doing nothing for their actual current members. I posted the salaries of some earlier in the thread. Its pathetic. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:33:54 AM EDT
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I get it. And unlike some, I don't have anything against the average union member. I'll even go so far as to say that there are probably still some unions that have a purpose. Ideologically, my problem with unions is twofold- that they get special legal protections that companies don't, and that they manipulate the political system to keep them (yes, I hate crony capitalism just as much). Personally, my problem with unions (not members) is that in my experience (large, national unions) they are without exception filled with the lowest form of human scum that I've ever encountered, who lie and blatantly break or skirt the law in order to pad membership, while doing nothing for their actual current members. I posted the salaries of some earlier in the thread. Its pathetic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. I get it. And unlike some, I don't have anything against the average union member. I'll even go so far as to say that there are probably still some unions that have a purpose. Ideologically, my problem with unions is twofold- that they get special legal protections that companies don't, and that they manipulate the political system to keep them (yes, I hate crony capitalism just as much). Personally, my problem with unions (not members) is that in my experience (large, national unions) they are without exception filled with the lowest form of human scum that I've ever encountered, who lie and blatantly break or skirt the law in order to pad membership, while doing nothing for their actual current members. I posted the salaries of some earlier in the thread. Its pathetic. Who cares what the guys running the union make ? And as for political favors corporations and trade lobbyist groups do plenty of campaigning of behalf of business. And that part about not having anything against the membership well except that are scum sounds a bit like BS. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:38:10 AM EDT
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Are you going to beat the scabs? We have to. Its in our bi-laws. Is it a bi-sexual Union? Or did you mean "by-laws"? No I had it right. My Union is bi as fuck |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:38:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats what happened 3 years ago. We got a call about 5 till midnight saying report to work Monday. I expect more of the same this time around. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:47:18 AM EDT
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Who cares what the guys running the union make ? And as for political favors corporations and trade lobbyist groups do plenty of campaigning of behalf of business. And that part about not having anything against the membership well except that are scum sounds a bit like BS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. I get it. And unlike some, I don't have anything against the average union member. I'll even go so far as to say that there are probably still some unions that have a purpose. Ideologically, my problem with unions is twofold- that they get special legal protections that companies don't, and that they manipulate the political system to keep them (yes, I hate crony capitalism just as much). Personally, my problem with unions (not members) is that in my experience (large, national unions) they are without exception filled with the lowest form of human scum that I've ever encountered, who lie and blatantly break or skirt the law in order to pad membership, while doing nothing for their actual current members. I posted the salaries of some earlier in the thread. Its pathetic. Who cares what the guys running the union make ? And as for political favors corporations and trade lobbyist groups do plenty of campaigning of behalf of business. And that part about not having anything against the membership well except that are scum sounds a bit like BS. I was pretty clear that its union officials, not necessarily members, that have been scum in my experience. And I was pretty clear that I'm against crony capitalism. Not sure how you could possibly think otherwise from my post. The only way Union officials get paid is by- as literally as you can get- taking from the paychecks of their members. Which is why I like to highlight the ridiculous sums they make. Very telling that you have an issue with this. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:49:28 AM EDT
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We do business with a trailer parts supplier that is a sole owned company. Well his employees started talking about unionizing so he told them to go ahead and do that. He told them that he had plenty of money that he could simply close the business and retire. Needless to say, the employees decided not to pursue that idea any further. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I work for a company in Ohio, whose owner died a self-made billionaire and went to nearly ridiculous lengths to keep the unions out. Ridiculous things like TWO breaks (morning and afternoon, plus lunch). Also, free coffee, bagels, fruit and soft-drink machine. It's amazing how evil these union-busting bosses can be! We do business with a trailer parts supplier that is a sole owned company. Well his employees started talking about unionizing so he told them to go ahead and do that. He told them that he had plenty of money that he could simply close the business and retire. Needless to say, the employees decided not to pursue that idea any further. Sometimes you get the carrot, sometimes you get the stick. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:56:18 AM EDT
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Brother, I've worked many different jobs, too many to count. I've got nothing bad to say about the outfits I've worked for before, everyone is chasing a buck, I get it. In my trade working non-union tops out at around $18 an hour, with no benefits. OK, so I crossed the line, for my own good. I can tell you that I would never have been able to afford to own a home without it. I bust my ass at work and learn as much as I can, always have. I don't stand around, I'm always find something to do. I also have a college degree. I love my work, love it, and can't imagine doing anything else. So, here I am doing what I love and getting paid well, fuck me right? I think it goes without saying that I don't vote the party line. I don't really give a shit what anyone here thinks, I'm doing what's best for me. Anyone that doesn't understand that can sit and spin. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "don't vote the party line" and, more importantly "doing what's best for me". If you vote for politicians that favor unions, they are typically in a voting block that opposes owning the very thing the website you're posting on is named after. So, does "doing what's best for me" involve expanding your liberty or using politicians to empower unions to force employers to put more money in your wallet? These two things can rarely happen at the same time. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:58:12 AM EDT
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Depends.
Withholding your labor under the conditions of your CBA is your right. Beating people up, tipping cars, and assorted thuggery is not. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:02:14 PM EDT
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Huh, didn't realize he was just a union shill. As I have stated before I am a union member, but I certainly don't blindly support their politics, which in the case of my union, are very left leaning. I don't feel that being a union member and a conservative are necessarily mutually exclusive, and yes they do recommend who we should vote for. The union leadership still seem to feel that the Democrats have all unions best interests solidly at the forefront of their political agenda. I don't think this is necessarily incorrect, but the Republicans in general, do nothing to dissuade them of this. The "stereotype" of the Republicans being for the ownership class or "big business" is solidly based in at least, some truth. Hey guess what, politicians pander to who they perceive as their base, and unions leaders pander to who has historically benefited them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL. This picture pisses me off every time I see it. That guy should feel like a real asshole.....still. Yes, he chose........poorly. Nah, he's doing fine. IIRC, he's a union bigwig. Huh, didn't realize he was just a union shill. As I have stated before I am a union member, but I certainly don't blindly support their politics, which in the case of my union, are very left leaning. I don't feel that being a union member and a conservative are necessarily mutually exclusive, and yes they do recommend who we should vote for. The union leadership still seem to feel that the Democrats have all unions best interests solidly at the forefront of their political agenda. I don't think this is necessarily incorrect, but the Republicans in general, do nothing to dissuade them of this. The "stereotype" of the Republicans being for the ownership class or "big business" is solidly based in at least, some truth. Hey guess what, politicians pander to who they perceive as their base, and unions leaders pander to who has historically benefited them. Conservatives would and should always be opposed to the federal laws that empower unions. Federalism, the 10th Amendment and all. The federal government should have NOTHING to do with negotiations between and employer and employee(s). It's just not the role of our Federal government, under the Constitution the way it was written. Yeah, I know, a quaint concept to some people, even here. So yes, this is where being a supporter of unions and being a conservative are mutually exclusive, under the current "union system". Take away the federal laws that empower unions, and you might have a point. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:10:29 PM EDT
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If nowhere outside of the union is the pay greater than 18/hr the you union hands are overpaid. Bingo. Immediately after working at union steel mill, I worked at a non-union steel mill. The pay was very close, except the non-union mill had pay a little bit more tied to production. So when the non-union guys were busting their asses, they made more money. Also, we were lean as hell. Too lean, to be honest. The guys working for me could work just about unlimited overtime. Now, I'm not going to say that this plant was perfectly run, because it wasn't. But it was nice not to have the extra layer of union bullshit in the middle of things. Being young and strong, I often even did some of the more physically challenging work along with the guys, to give them a break. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:12:19 PM EDT
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Next time I see a picket line I'm going to make a point to cross it, whether I was originally going to patronize that business or not.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:16:03 PM EDT
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In this thread we get to see who has a shitty job and who doesn't. Yeah, thats gotta be it 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:19:41 PM EDT
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TL;DR (For the hate and butthurt)
I'm bummed because my Union is prohibited by an antiquated law from striking. If they are going to allow a union, then let the game play out. Personally, I'd rather live or die on my own merits. But, I work in a closed shop with a seniority system governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement. What's a fella to do...? TC |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:03:17 PM EDT
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I guess it comes down to what you mean by "don't vote the party line" and, more importantly "doing what's best for me". If you vote for politicians that favor unions, they are typically in a voting block that opposes owning the very thing the website you're posting on is named after. So, does "doing what's best for me" involve expanding your liberty or using politicians to empower unions to force employers to put more money in your wallet? These two things can rarely happen at the same time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Words. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "don't vote the party line" and, more importantly "doing what's best for me". If you vote for politicians that favor unions, they are typically in a voting block that opposes owning the very thing the website you're posting on is named after. So, does "doing what's best for me" involve expanding your liberty or using politicians to empower unions to force employers to put more money in your wallet? These two things can rarely happen at the same time. If you're asking, "Do you vote for democrats?", the answer is no. "Doing what's best for me", means just that. Look, someone was going to take that higher paying job, it might as well be me....or should I just bite the bullet and make 70% of what I make now with no benefits? My employer became a union shop under his own free-will, I had nothing to do with it. If you're trying to shame me here hoss, it's not working, nor will it ever work. This is my last reply, good day. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:16:36 PM EDT
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T-10 hours. Still no agreement reached.
Tic Toc. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:27:49 PM EDT
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I'm curious about the pro-union, rah rah chest thumpers. When your plumbing backs up do you call one of your plumbers union brothers to come fix it? how about other home repairs or auto work? Do you support the collective of do you sneak around behind their backs and do it yourself; stealing the food out of the mouths of their children?
You either believe all of that shit or you just lie about it to the collective. |
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