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Posted: 1/30/2015 9:56:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:09:33 PM EDT
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I think Ben Stein's "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" makes a great case for Intelligent Design.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:10:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Ben Stein's "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" makes a great case for Intelligent Design. Especially the parts where he lied and misrepresented himself. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:59:40 AM EDT
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There is also a million bucks waiting for you over at JREF. ETA: It looks like James Randi retired from JREF only two days ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... let me ask you this, if demons were proven to be real to you, would you then believe that God exists?... If you have any evidence for demons, anything at all, anything mystical, anything that violates the laws of physics, there's a Nobel Prize with your name on it. ETA: It looks like James Randi retired from JREF only two days ago. I think ol' Randy is not long for this world. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:19:41 AM EDT
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I think ol' Randy is not long for this world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... let me ask you this, if demons were proven to be real to you, would you then believe that God exists?... If you have any evidence for demons, anything at all, anything mystical, anything that violates the laws of physics, there's a Nobel Prize with your name on it. ETA: It looks like James Randi retired from JREF only two days ago. I think ol' Randy is not long for this world. So it appears. Too bad. He is a very smart man and an essential part of these debates. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:20:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:10:56 AM EDT
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God and science together
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Ben Stein's "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" makes a great case for Intelligent Design. ETA::I've had many conversations with people about the topic, and literally the smartest have no better arguments than the dumber. It all boils down to "we don't know, therefore god" or "the current arrangement of the universe is preferred, and since we'll assert to know that there is only one universe, we'll claim that it is very improbable to get to this condition" The former is just a repackaging of the worst explanation in human history that has failed every single time it has ever been tested, the latter is just a misunderstanding of how to calculate probabilities for real world events that involve physics and not pure randomness. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:02:57 AM EDT
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Pharaoh’s hardened heart caused him to deny the sovereignty of the one, true God.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:04:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:50:50 AM EDT
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Pharaoh’s hardened heart caused him to deny the sovereignty of the one, true God. http://www.gotquestions.org/hardened-heart.html Which Pharoah was this? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:16:31 AM EDT
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Would anyone like to explain how guys like Mirin Dajo and the "magicians" in the link I posted are able to do things such as pierce their bodies?
The video link I provided is 1 of 8 videos in the series. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:28:15 AM EDT
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If you take the time and watch the videos I linked to as well as research a bit about satanic influence in the media, Hollywood, and Washington DC, you might be very suprised at what you learn.
My eyes have been opened, not by me, but by the Father in Heaven, through my belief Christ, and the Holy Spirit who lives in me. Demons and satan\lucifer have a very strong influence on the earth. Many atheists like to tout how they are so scientific minded and analytical. Well I say put those attributes to work and look at the information that's out there. This link explains satan's influence on earth. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:39:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pharaoh’s hardened heart caused him to deny the sovereignty of the one, true God. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:41:00 AM EDT
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Would anyone like to explain how guys like Mirin Dajo and the "magicians" in the link I posted are able to do things such as pierce their bodies? The video link I provided is 1 of 8 videos in the series. Ummm, the information is out there. Stop suffering from confirmation bias and look it up. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:45:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pharaoh’s hardened heart caused him to deny the sovereignty of the one, true God. Why did God do that? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 11:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: And god was the one who hardened it. So according to the legend of Exodus, god did it just so he could make an example out of people, proving how the biblical character of god is out of line with the god most people believe in (aka, most people don't believe god is evil).Quoted: Quoted: Pharaoh’s hardened heart caused him to deny the sovereignty of the one, true God. Why did God do that? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:03:07 PM EDT
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God is not evil.
Man is evil. All the thoughts of man's heart are evil. Read Jeremiah 17. It's not a long Chapter. Here's an excerpt: The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Why don't you address how a man can ram a 4 foot rapier through his body and vital organs and not bleed? BTW, these magicians today are repeating Mirin Dajos antics though not in such a daring manner. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:46:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:46:27 PM EDT
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God is not evil. Man is evil. All the thoughts of man's heart are evil. Read Jeremiah 17. It's not a long Chapter. Here's an excerpt: The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Why don't you address how a man can ram a 4 foot rapier through his body and vital organs and not bleed? BTW, these magicians today are repeating Mirin Dajos antics though not in such a daring manner. So if they're repeating it, how miraculous can it be? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if they're repeating it, how miraculous can it be? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: God is not evil. Man is evil. All the thoughts of man's heart are evil. Read Jeremiah 17. It's not a long Chapter. Here's an excerpt: The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Why don't you address how a man can ram a 4 foot rapier through his body and vital organs and not bleed? BTW, these magicians today are repeating Mirin Dajos antics though not in such a daring manner. So if they're repeating it, how miraculous can it be? Not sure what you are asking... They accomplish these things through the use of demons.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:57:36 PM EDT
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Everything was created from nothing? Leads to the really interesting question of why there is anything at all? When you look at it from the perspective of pure logic, null should be the default value. We shouldn't be here to even have a discussion on why we're here. Beyond the multiverse which shouldn't exist, why/how can even God exist to create anything? Science is ultimately pointless as it can only keep pushing back the boundary on what did happen as far as we can tell. It simply is incapable of answering the true big picture question. Philisophically driven back, it appears that a complete and total truth must exist (which we know as God) or we would not be here. What exactly makes it so that such condition *must* exist (for if it was optional, it would not exist) is truly baffling, and disappointing that it seems to be completely unsolvable by us. TL;DR Has to be God, but we don't know why/how it's even possible, and science is basically a wasted effort due to being limited by our scope of view. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:05:42 PM EDT
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Not sure what you are asking... They accomplish these things through the use of demons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God is not evil. Man is evil. All the thoughts of man's heart are evil. Read Jeremiah 17. It's not a long Chapter. Here's an excerpt: The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Why don't you address how a man can ram a 4 foot rapier through his body and vital organs and not bleed? BTW, these magicians today are repeating Mirin Dajos antics though not in such a daring manner. So if they're repeating it, how miraculous can it be? Not sure what you are asking... They accomplish these things through the use of demons. Sure, kind of like how David Copperfield and Lance Burton use demons. ETA: How are you allowed to own guns if you have to answer yes to question 11f on the 4473? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:18:12 PM EDT
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Rutbah, your condescending remarks only reflect on you and have no effect on me.
Now, why don't you kindly explain how these men are able to accomplish these acts?
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:03:12 PM EDT
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Walks on a river. Goes through a glass window. Things are not what you believe. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:03:41 PM EDT
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Walks on a river. Goes through a glass window. Things are not what you believe. http://youtu.be/jG3sp6rDgn0 Lol. You're funny bro. Now I know you're kidding. At least I hope you're trolling and not serious. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:20:33 PM EDT
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Not sure what you are asking... They accomplish these things through the use of demons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God is not evil. Man is evil. All the thoughts of man's heart are evil. Read Jeremiah 17. It's not a long Chapter. Here's an excerpt: The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Why don't you address how a man can ram a 4 foot rapier through his body and vital organs and not bleed? BTW, these magicians today are repeating Mirin Dajos antics though not in such a daring manner. So if they're repeating it, how miraculous can it be? Not sure what you are asking... They accomplish these things through the use of demons. OKAYYY. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:57:50 PM EDT
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I'm going to say Big Bang before the creationist show up.  why you mad? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walks on a river. Goes through a glass window. Things are not what you believe. I saw the Demons Penn & Teller do similar sorcery. Hail the dark lord.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:04:58 PM EDT
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As me and several others predicted:
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:09:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh stop it. You may not have found out about the demons if not for this thread. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh stop it. You may not have found out about the demons if not for this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh stop it. You may not have found out about the demons if not for this thread. This thread is now the property of the King of Hell.  |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:21:15 PM EDT
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Who coined the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"?
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walks on a river. Goes through a glass window. Things are not what you believe. It is just magic tricks, slight of hand, angles etc. Youtube conspiracy junk--this time with a "demonic" slant. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:35:29 PM EDT
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I was hoping some of the sane creationists would get back in the thread so we could continue a rational discussion.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:37:20 PM EDT
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The two are not mutually exclusive. was going to post something similar, what is considered Science today was once considered magic, what was considered magic was considered miracle. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIn that case, who created the fucking Aliens? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:51:08 PM EDT
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What about Allah snackbar???
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:53:15 PM EDT
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In that case, who created the fucking Aliens? Quote HistoryQuoted:
In that case, who created the fucking Aliens? From what I have read here it could have been the fucking demons.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God is not evil. I agree that god may not be evil, but the character in the legend of exodus is clearly evil in my opinion. Maybe that means that character in the legend of exodus isn't actually god! Its a simple and valid option. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree that god may not be evil, but the character in the legend of exodus is clearly evil in my opinion. Maybe that means that character in the legend of exodus isn't actually god! Its a simple and valid option. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: God is not evil. I agree that god may not be evil, but the character in the legend of exodus is clearly evil in my opinion. Maybe that means that character in the legend of exodus isn't actually god! Its a simple and valid option. God did what he did for our own good. He did it to make us better. The end justifies the means. Why do you hate God? It's not like he could have made us better in the first place.  |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God did what he did for our own good. He did it to make us better. The end justifies the means. Why do you hate God? It's not like he could have made us better in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: God is not evil. I agree that god may not be evil, but the character in the legend of exodus is clearly evil in my opinion. Maybe that means that character in the legend of exodus isn't actually god! Its a simple and valid option. God did what he did for our own good. He did it to make us better. The end justifies the means. Why do you hate God? It's not like he could have made us better in the first place. Maybe the Legend of Exodus isn't actually written about a real being, but rather, is just a legend? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:18:53 PM EDT
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Maybe the Legend of Exodus isn't actually written about a real being, but rather, is just a legend? Impossible! It's in the bible, and we all know who wrote the bible. (don't we?) |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:33:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:56:58 PM EDT
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God is not evil... Does this sound a little evil to you? "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death..." - Deuteronomy 13:6-10 |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 10:54:49 PM EDT
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Does this sound a little evil to you? "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death..." - Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God is not evil... Does this sound a little evil to you? "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death..." - Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Damn. That sounds like something from the snackbar. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:08:33 AM EDT
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Damn. That sounds like something from the snackbar. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God is not evil... Does this sound a little evil to you? "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death..." - Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Damn. That sounds like something from the snackbar. If anyone actually read them, they would discover that the Bible and the Koran are very similar. If you read a random passage out loud, most people wouldn't be able to tell you which book it was coming from. Same god. Almost all the same stories and characters. Same commandments to kill unbelievers, gays, blasphemers, etc. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:19:38 AM EDT
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Would anyone like to explain how guys like Mirin Dajo and the "magicians" in the link I posted are able to do things such as pierce their bodies?... From my dictionary: "Magic (illusion), the art of appearing to perform supernatural feats" |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:19:57 AM EDT
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Does this sound a little evil to you? "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death..." - Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God is not evil... Does this sound a little evil to you? "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death..." - Deuteronomy 13:6-10 As we have all been taught in GD, only a True Christian™ can properly interpret such a verse in context, just as only a True Christian™ can be trusted to properly interpret versus of the sort in the Koran. We will gloss over the sticky question of the Jews. We always do in such threads. But, to address your derp fairly, you can't seem to get over the basic reality that all religions apply interpretation and context to such texts, and if you look for an "Evil' god you will find one, of you don't, you won't. I have to admit, though, it is fascinating to see the raw butthurt you inspire when you treat the Bible / Torah the same way a shitload of others here treat the Koran. Maybe, in time, it will help a lightbulb flicker in a head or two. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:51:14 AM EDT
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Proverbs 4:19 The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know over what they stumble. Ezekiel 12:2 "Son of man, you live in the midst of the rebellious house, who have eyes to see but do not see, ears to hear but do not hear; for they are a rebellious house. Luke 8:10 And He said, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND John 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. Luke 8:12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. Matthew 13:19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. 2 Corinthians 4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. John 8:44-45 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. "But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. |
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