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Posted: 1/26/2015 2:32:23 AM EDT
I don't know what to say about this one. It is the second video. Amid the devastation of yesterday's Mariupol artillery strikes which killed or wounded dozens, which was promptly blamed by both sides on the "adversary" - and has been proclaimed by both 'sides' (more on that later) as more violent than before the truce - an 'odd' clip has emerged that appears to provide all the 'proof' a US intelligence officer would need to surmise that US military boots are on the ground in Ukraine. As the following clip shows, a Ukrainian journalist approaches what she thinks is a Ukrainian soldier (since he is wearing a Ukrainian military uniform and is carrying an AK) and asked him as they run through the battlezone, "tell me, what happened here?" His response, which requires no translation, speaks for itself. Forward to 2:36 for the 'Ukrainian' soldier's response: Here is a clip which focuses just on the exchange in question: With daily reportage of the 'invasion' of Russian military forces into Ukraine territory (admittedly unconfirmed by NATO), this clip raises many questions about American involvement in the ongoing conflict - most of all, was the US involved in the "staging" the Mariupol massacre, and if so it is clear who should be blamed (and isolated). And there is more at the link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-25/out-my-face-please-why-are-us-soldiers-mariupol |
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I still can't embed. Go to the link, the check out the second video. It is only 46 seconds long.
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Probably either CIA or a former US soldier who went over as a volunteer.
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier.
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Quoted: So, zero the hero, who is a noble piece prize holder, is fighting the Russians separatist? Yes, I spelled peace the way I did on purpose. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Probably either CIA or a former US soldier who went over as a volunteer. Might be special operations, but I highly doubt that. So, zero the hero, who is a noble piece prize holder, is fighting the Russians separatist? Yes, I spelled peace the way I did on purpose. No, which is why I doubt that it is an active duty US serviceman. He may be CIA or (probably more likely) an American who volunteered. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? There are foreign volunteers, dude. Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... |
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? Ok I was not aware that everyone that speaks English with an American accent was a U.S. Soldier. Same thing just because he speaks English does not mean he is some super secret CIA dude or a military advisor. |
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Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? There are foreign volunteers, dude. Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... Two things: 1.) Yeah? And? 2.) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/959 You have to serve as an officer, or fight the United States. You can totally be prosecuted for war crimes though. |
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Quoted: Ok I was not aware that everyone that speaks English with an American accent was a U.S. Soldier. Same thing just because he speaks English does not mean he is some super secret CIA dude or a military advisor. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? Ok I was not aware that everyone that speaks English with an American accent was a U.S. Soldier. Same thing just because he speaks English does not mean he is some super secret CIA dude or a military advisor. I love all the straw men you guys throw out. If he is an American, he is breaking the law. And there is no way, just billy bad ass, who plays video games in his basement is going to be able to just waltz over there and say, "hey dude, I want to help, got a uniform and an AK?" |
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I love all the straw men you guys throw out. If he is an American, he is breaking the law. And there is no way, just billy bad ass, who plays video games in his basement is going to be able to just waltz over there and say, "hey dude, I want to help, got a uniform and an AK?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? Ok I was not aware that everyone that speaks English with an American accent was a U.S. Soldier. Same thing just because he speaks English does not mean he is some super secret CIA dude or a military advisor. I love all the straw men you guys throw out. If he is an American, he is breaking the law. And there is no way, just billy bad ass, who plays video games in his basement is going to be able to just waltz over there and say, "hey dude, I want to help, got a uniform and an AK?" There are court rulings that disagree with you. Remember Ali Muhammed? He didn't catch any shit for going overseas and fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and he was active US Army at the time. |
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Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? There are foreign volunteers, dude. Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... It is expressly legal for an American to volunteer for service in a war that the US is not a party to. |
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Quoted: Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? There are foreign volunteers, dude. Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... Knowing several enlisted personnel and a couple officers I served with who left the US to serve in a foreign military, and now have returned and serve in the US military (at least a few of which have TS/SCI clearances), I can assure you the law allows it. It is a common misconception that it does not. It is permissible provided that A) you don't engage in hostilities against the US or her allies, B) you do not serve intending to renounce your US citizenship, and C) you do not serve as a commissioned officer. Hell- there is a program right now whereby the Australian Army is actively recruiting US officers (yes, officers...who retain their rank and serve as Aussie officers) with the blessing of the US government. Your security clearance level even transfers over. |
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Knowing several enlisted personnel and a couple officers I served with who left the US to serve in a foreign military, and now have returned and serve in the US military (at least a few of which have TS/SCI clearances), I can assure you the law allows it. It is a common misconception that it does not. It is permissible provided that A) you don't engage in hostilities against the US or her allies, B) you do not serve intending to renounce your US citizenship, and C) you do not serve as a commissioned officer. Hell- there is a program right now whereby the Australian Army is actively recruiting US officers (yes, officers...who retain their rank and serve as Aussie officers) with the blessing of the US government. Your security clearance level even transfers over. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? There are foreign volunteers, dude. Step away from to bong. Check US law on that. Yes, I know people break the law all the time, you only need to check the wh, doj, epa, etc..... Knowing several enlisted personnel and a couple officers I served with who left the US to serve in a foreign military, and now have returned and serve in the US military (at least a few of which have TS/SCI clearances), I can assure you the law allows it. It is a common misconception that it does not. It is permissible provided that A) you don't engage in hostilities against the US or her allies, B) you do not serve intending to renounce your US citizenship, and C) you do not serve as a commissioned officer. Hell- there is a program right now whereby the Australian Army is actively recruiting US officers (yes, officers...who retain their rank and serve as Aussie officers) with the blessing of the US government. Your security clearance level even transfers over. That's interesting. Also, thank you for providing insight. I didn't know it was possible to go from US military, to foreign volunteer, to US Army. |
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I love all the straw men you guys throw out. If he is an American, he is breaking the law. And there is no way, just billy bad ass, who plays video games in his basement is going to be able to just waltz over there and say, "hey dude, I want to help, got a uniform and an AK?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was not aware that everyone that speaks English was a U.S. soldier. With an American accent? Ok I was not aware that everyone that speaks English with an American accent was a U.S. Soldier. Same thing just because he speaks English does not mean he is some super secret CIA dude or a military advisor. I love all the straw men you guys throw out. If he is an American, he is breaking the law. And there is no way, just billy bad ass, who plays video games in his basement is going to be able to just waltz over there and say, "hey dude, I want to help, got a uniform and an AK?" Maybe that's why he doesn't want his face seen? American billy bad asses walk into conflict zones all the time. Look at Syria. You don't think there's a ton of prior military Ukrainians in the U.S. and Canada who want to go over and kill some Russians? You need to get a little Occam's Razor going on. |
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Quoted: That's interesting. Also, thank you for providing insight. I didn't know it was possible to go from US military, to foreign volunteer, to US Army. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's interesting. Also, thank you for providing insight. I didn't know it was possible to go from US military, to foreign volunteer, to US Army. I had a CO back right after the war started, who served in Vietnam as a US Marine Corps infantryman, then served in the Rhodesian Army as a Gray's Scout, then served in the Legion, and at that point was back in the US military serving as a Lt Col. That kind of stuff is rare, but it happens. |
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OP needs to loosen the tin foil.
Shit, there was a former ranger who got killed over there a while back. He couldn't have been the only American volunteer. |
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I had a CO back right after the war started, who served in Vietnam as a US Marine Corps infantryman, then served in the Rhodesian Army as a Gray's Scout, then served in the Legion, and at that point was back in the US military serving as a Lt Col. That kind of stuff is rare, but it happens. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: I thought that to serve in the Legion you had to renounce your other citizenships? But maybe not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's interesting. Also, thank you for providing insight. I didn't know it was possible to go from US military, to foreign volunteer, to US Army. I had a CO back right after the war started, who served in Vietnam as a US Marine Corps infantryman, then served in the Rhodesian Army as a Gray's Scout, then served in the Legion, and at that point was back in the US military serving as a Lt Col. That kind of stuff is rare, but it happens. I thought that to serve in the Legion you had to renounce your other citizenships? But maybe not. I'm pretty sure he lied and said he was Rhodesian, given that he went from the Rhodesian Army straight to the Legion. He had a very interesting photo album in his office. He was also bat shit crazy. |
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Interesting. Travel > Legal Considerations > U.S. Citizenship Laws & Policy > Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Dual Nationality > Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Foreign Military Service Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Foreign Military ServiceSection 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that "the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only to individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. A U.S. national who is a resident or citizen of a foreign country may be subject to compulsory military service in that country. Although the United States recognizes the problems that may be caused by such foreign military service, there is little that we can do to prevent it since each sovereign country has the right to enact its own laws on military service and apply them as it sees fit to its citizens and residents. Military service by U.S. nationals may cause problems in the conduct of our foreign relations since such service may involve U.S. nationals in hostilities against countries with which we are at peace. For this reason, U.S. nationals facing the possibility of foreign military service should do what is legally possible to avoid such service. Federal statutes long in force prohibit certain aspects of foreign military service originating within the United States. The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S. , 163 U.S. 632 (1896), the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a crime under U.S. law for an individual to go abroad for the purpose of enlisting in a foreign army; however, when someone has been recruited or hired in the United States, a violation may have occurred. The prosecution of persons who have violated 18 U.S.C. 958-960 is the responsibility of the Department of Justice. Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to the provisions of Section 349(a)(3) of the INA [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if a U.S national voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. nationality enters or serves in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer. Military service in foreign countries, however, usually does not cause loss of nationality since an intention to relinquish nationality normally is lacking. In adjudicating loss of nationality cases, the Department has established an administrative presumption that a person serving in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities against the United States does not have the intention to relinquish nationality. On the other hand, voluntary service in the armed forces of a state engaged in hostilities against the United States could be viewed as indicative of an intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. |
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I had a CO back right after the war started, who served in Vietnam as a US Marine Corps infantryman, then served in the Rhodesian Army as a Gray's Scout, then served in the Legion, and at that point was back in the US military serving as a Lt Col. That kind of stuff is rare, but it happens. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That's interesting. Also, thank you for providing insight. I didn't know it was possible to go from US military, to foreign volunteer, to US Army. I had a CO back right after the war started, who served in Vietnam as a US Marine Corps infantryman, then served in the Rhodesian Army as a Gray's Scout, then served in the Legion, and at that point was back in the US military serving as a Lt Col. That kind of stuff is rare, but it happens. I thought that to serve in the Legion you had to renounce your other citizenships? But maybe not. It's an option. After 5 years they offer you back your old passport, with the alternative of having a French one. Then tell you to choose. |
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Interesting. Travel > Legal Considerations > U.S. Citizenship Laws & Policy > Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Dual Nationality > Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Foreign Military Service Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Nationality and Foreign Military ServiceSection 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that "the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only to individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. A U.S. national who is a resident or citizen of a foreign country may be subject to compulsory military service in that country. Although the United States recognizes the problems that may be caused by such foreign military service, there is little that we can do to prevent it since each sovereign country has the right to enact its own laws on military service and apply them as it sees fit to its citizens and residents.Military service by U.S. nationals may cause problems in the conduct of our foreign relations since such service may involve U.S. nationals in hostilities against countries with which we are at peace. For this reason, U.S. nationals facing the possibility of foreign military service should do what is legally possible to avoid such service. Federal statutes long in force prohibit certain aspects of foreign military service originating within the United States. The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S. , 163 U.S. 632 (1896), the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a crime under U.S. law for an individual to go abroad for the purpose of enlisting in a foreign army; however, when someone has been recruited or hired in the United States, a violation may have occurred. The prosecution of persons who have violated 18 U.S.C. 958-960 is the responsibility of the Department of Justice. Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to the provisions of Section 349(a)(3) of the INA [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if a U.S national voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. nationality enters or serves in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer. Military service in foreign countries, however, usually does not cause loss of nationality since an intention to relinquish nationality normally is lacking. In adjudicating loss of nationality cases, the Department has established an administrative presumption that a person serving in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities against the United States does not have the intention to relinquish nationality. On the other hand, voluntary service in the armed forces of a state engaged in hostilities against the United States could be viewed as indicative of an intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/citizenship-and-foreign-military-service.html View Quote If those conditions are not met, you are not breaking the law. |
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OBAMA: We're Considering All Options 'Short Of Military Confrontation' To Pressure RussiaUS President Barack Obama blamed Russia on Sunday for the fighting that has flared anew between government troops and separatists in eastern Ukraine, and said the United States would consider additional options to ratchet up pressure on Moscow. "We will continue to take the approach that we have taken in the past, which is to ratchet up the pressure on Russia," Obama told a news conference in New Delhi. "And I will look at all additional options that are available to us, short of military confrontation, and try to address this issue." Fighting has flared in Ukraine in recent days after the rebels ruled out more peace talks. On Saturday, 30 civilians were killed after rebels launched an offensive against the strategic port of Mariupol. |
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Da comrade, is all part of vast NATO Jew Palpal conspiracy to stop glorious march of Putin. The only logical conclusion is entirety of Ukraine has been replaced by American Rangers and Minnesotan farmers.
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