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look man--i watch 5 shows. archer, game of thrones, black sails, the walking dead, and vikings. at least leave me one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just wait til Ragnar Lothbrok gets it on with a couple male British Isle peasants over on the History Channel. look man--i watch 5 shows. archer, game of thrones, black sails, the walking dead, and vikings. at least leave me one. How is that one working out for you? seems the writers might have an agenda.........really how long til Lothbrook comes out? |
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How is that one working out for you? seems the writers might have an agenda.........really how long til Lothbrook comes out? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just wait til Ragnar Lothbrok gets it on with a couple male British Isle peasants over on the History Channel. look man--i watch 5 shows. archer, game of thrones, black sails, the walking dead, and vikings. at least leave me one. How is that one working out for you? seems the writers might have an agenda.........really how long til Lothbrook comes out? Heard a rumor it's gonna be Daryl. Seriously. |
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Just wait til Ragnar Lothbrok gets it on with a couple male British Isle peasants over on the History Channel. look man--i watch 5 shows. archer, game of thrones, black sails, the walking dead, and vikings. at least leave me one. How is that one working out for you? seems the writers might have an agenda.........really how long til Lothbrook comes out? honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. TWD has handled it perfectly--one of the characters just happens to be gay. it astonishes me that everyone freaked out so badly over what amounts to maybe 3 min of screen time. it isn't gratuitous at all--it's very much like life. in archer, ray's gayness is a much bigger deal, but it's also part of a great character. same thing in modern family, which is one of the best shows on TV. those characters are gay, which brings something new and interesting to the shows. i can understand why someone might refuse to watch a show like spartacus or GoT for aesthetic or moral reasons. i have no problem with homosexuality from a moral perspective, but i don't enjoy watching gay physical intimacy on screen. it isn't a deal-breaker for me though, as long as the characters and story are good. and thus far, TWD and BS are excellent. BS is particularly interesting, since the 'big reveal' has no bearing on the current story. i think the shock value was played really well. yeah his old love interest was a man, but it really doesn't matter--what matters is what is happening now. in 'vikings' though, it just wouldn't fit. i mean, ragnar already invited athelstan into bed to help spit-roast lagertha in season 1, but that's a bit different than trying to shoehorn in a subplot about how floki is conflicted between bloodthirsty pillage and home decor. some people are gay--that's life. |
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honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. TWD has handled it perfectly--one of the characters just happens to be gay. it astonishes me that everyone freaked out so badly over what amounts to maybe 3 min of screen time. it isn't gratuitous at all--it's very much like life. in archer, ray's gayness is a much bigger deal, but it's also part of a great character. same thing in modern family, which is one of the best shows on TV. those characters are gay, which brings something new and interesting to the shows. i can understand why someone might refuse to watch a show like spartacus or GoT for aesthetic or moral reasons. i have no problem with homosexuality from a moral perspective, but i don't enjoy watching gay physical intimacy on screen. it isn't a deal-breaker for me though, as long as the characters and story are good. and thus far, TWD and BS are excellent. BS is particularly interesting, since the 'big reveal' has no bearing on the current story. i think the shock value was played really well. yeah his old love interest was a man, but it really doesn't matter--what matters is what is happening now. in 'vikings' though, it just wouldn't fit. i mean, ragnar already invited athelstan into bed to help spit-roast lagertha in season 1, but that's a bit different than trying to shoehorn in a subplot about how floki is conflicted between bloodthirsty pillage and home decor. some people are gay--that's life. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just wait til Ragnar Lothbrok gets it on with a couple male British Isle peasants over on the History Channel. look man--i watch 5 shows. archer, game of thrones, black sails, the walking dead, and vikings. at least leave me one. How is that one working out for you? seems the writers might have an agenda.........really how long til Lothbrook comes out? honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. TWD has handled it perfectly--one of the characters just happens to be gay. it astonishes me that everyone freaked out so badly over what amounts to maybe 3 min of screen time. it isn't gratuitous at all--it's very much like life. in archer, ray's gayness is a much bigger deal, but it's also part of a great character. same thing in modern family, which is one of the best shows on TV. those characters are gay, which brings something new and interesting to the shows. i can understand why someone might refuse to watch a show like spartacus or GoT for aesthetic or moral reasons. i have no problem with homosexuality from a moral perspective, but i don't enjoy watching gay physical intimacy on screen. it isn't a deal-breaker for me though, as long as the characters and story are good. and thus far, TWD and BS are excellent. BS is particularly interesting, since the 'big reveal' has no bearing on the current story. i think the shock value was played really well. yeah his old love interest was a man, but it really doesn't matter--what matters is what is happening now. in 'vikings' though, it just wouldn't fit. i mean, ragnar already invited athelstan into bed to help spit-roast lagertha in season 1, but that's a bit different than trying to shoehorn in a subplot about how floki is conflicted between bloodthirsty pillage and home decor. some people are gay--that's life. I only mentioned it because you seemed to be concerned.........on the subject of Floki, I suspect his interior decoration would tend towards the sadomasochistic...... |
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I only mentioned it because you seemed to be concerned.........on the subject of Floki, I suspect his interior decoration would tend towards the sadomasochistic...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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eta- the gay relationship storyline is vindicated and forgiven n my book b/c it matters to the story. That whole bit with Ash working it out in his mind upon seeing Flint made the whole thing cilck into place. Well done. |
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I'm confused. Is Vane lurking in the swamp at Charlestown about to take Flint's ship? How did he get there? It seems like a really complicated plan.
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I'm confused. Is Vane lurking in the swamp at Charlestown about to take Flint's ship? How did he get there? It seems like a really complicated plan. View Quote yes--vane got there first. it's an open question as to how he sailed there (since his ship is still in nassau), but guthrie had told him what flint's plan was. all he had to do was go to charleston and wait. |
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Just seems like swimming that distance while clothed and armed would leave even a good swimmer pretty damned tired.
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It'll be interesting to learn how they got there ahead of Flint's crew without everyone knowing. I can't imagine them leaving that question unanswered.
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This is way cool....What is the hand-cranked instrument?
Wish I cold embed. Black Sails Main Title Theme..... http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Black+sails+theme&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=C92252554C70CE2AB647C92252554C70CE2AB647 |
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Very cool. No idea what that thing is. BUT, for some reason, I feel the drums and electric guitar kinda ruin it. They should've used an acoustic mandolin or guitar and some bongos or something. I love how it begins though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is way cool....What is the hand-cranked instrument? Wish I cold embed. Black Sails Main Title Theme..... http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Black+sails+theme&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=C92252554C70CE2AB647C92252554C70CE2AB647 Very cool. No idea what that thing is. BUT, for some reason, I feel the drums and electric guitar kinda ruin it. They should've used an acoustic mandolin or guitar and some bongos or something. I love how it begins though. It's called a "Hurdy Gurdy". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurdy-gurdy My Google-fu must have been broke. I could not find it the first time I looked. LOL...They should have had them dressed-out as pirates when they filmed it. |
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I kinda wasn't paying complete attention this past episode, who was the dude Vane had strung up in the fort?
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Well, it bothered me because I thought Flint's motivations were more complex than "I did it for my gay lover." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Criminals with a conscience tend to be a bit more complex and interesting characters than average IMHO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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meh--if he had done it for the eternal love of the princess or for revenge or for greed, no one would have batted an eyelash. people do things for very simple motivations. usually, the simpler the motivation, the more powerful it is. for just a second, let's force ourselves to look past the whole gayness thing (if that's possible) and consider the situation. as a young naval officer, flint was initially skeptical of the plan to assimilate nassau and make it a productive part of the empire. after all, the crown kills pirates, the crown can't afford to look weak by backing off that stance, and anyway, the pirates will never submit to the imperious power of the crown (which he represents as an officer). over time, he was convinced that the plan could succeed--it would be good for the crown economically, and good for nassau by giving it some control over its own destiny. then what happens? all of a sudden, the imperious, arbitrary power of the crown is turned against him and the people he loves. the person he loves the most is killed for trying to help the crown by bringing nassau into the fold (though in an unconventional way). so in anger, he becomes a pirate. and where are we now? he is in exactly the reverse position as the one where he started. he's now a pirate as opposed to a naval officer, and though he still hates the crown (or at least the admiralty), he recognizes that assimilation is the only way that nassau can have any control over its own destiny. so he's still working on the same project, just coming from the opposite direction. this is complicated by (rather than facilitated by) his beef with the admiralty, but he's willing to sacrifice his own interests (his own life, even) in order to make it happen. for him to succeed, he either has to die or to submit to those he hates the most. as he has clearly stated, the latter is worse that the former. it mirrors the very first thing we saw in episode 1: the pirates have declared war on humanity, and they would have to recant that and submit to the crown...which is exactly the opposite of their inclinations. it's a really fucking interesting conflict. too bad people can't see past the icky gay stuff. |
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for just a second, let's force ourselves to look past the whole gayness thing (if that's possible) and consider the situation. as a young naval officer, flint was initially skeptical of the plan to assimilate nassau and make it a productive part of the empire. after all, the crown kills pirates, the crown can't afford to look weak by backing off that stance, and anyway, the pirates will never submit to the imperious power of the crown (which he represents as an officer). over time, he was convinced that the plan could succeed--it would be good for the crown economically, and good for nassau by giving it some control over its own destiny. then what happens? all of a sudden, the imperious, arbitrary power of the crown is turned against him and the people he loves. the person he loves the most is killed for trying to help the crown by bringing nassau into the fold (though in an unconventional way). so in anger, he becomes a pirate. and where are we now? he is in exactly the reverse position as the one where he started. he's now a pirate as opposed to a naval officer, and though he still hates the crown (or at least the admiralty), he recognizes that assimilation is the only way that nassau can have any control over its own destiny. so he's still working on the same project, just coming from the opposite direction. this is complicated by (rather than facilitated by) his beef with the admiralty, but he's willing to sacrifice his own interests (his own life, even) in order to make it happen. for him to succeed, he either has to die or to submit to those he hates the most. as he has clearly stated, the latter is worse that the former. it mirrors the very first thing we saw in episode 1: the pirates have declared war on humanity, and they would have to recant that and submit to the crown...which is exactly the opposite of their inclinations. it's a really fucking interesting conflict. too bad people can't see past the icky gay stuff. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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meh--if he had done it for the eternal love of the princess or for revenge or for greed, no one would have batted an eyelash. people do things for very simple motivations. usually, the simpler the motivation, the more powerful it is. for just a second, let's force ourselves to look past the whole gayness thing (if that's possible) and consider the situation. as a young naval officer, flint was initially skeptical of the plan to assimilate nassau and make it a productive part of the empire. after all, the crown kills pirates, the crown can't afford to look weak by backing off that stance, and anyway, the pirates will never submit to the imperious power of the crown (which he represents as an officer). over time, he was convinced that the plan could succeed--it would be good for the crown economically, and good for nassau by giving it some control over its own destiny. then what happens? all of a sudden, the imperious, arbitrary power of the crown is turned against him and the people he loves. the person he loves the most is killed for trying to help the crown by bringing nassau into the fold (though in an unconventional way). so in anger, he becomes a pirate. and where are we now? he is in exactly the reverse position as the one where he started. he's now a pirate as opposed to a naval officer, and though he still hates the crown (or at least the admiralty), he recognizes that assimilation is the only way that nassau can have any control over its own destiny. so he's still working on the same project, just coming from the opposite direction. this is complicated by (rather than facilitated by) his beef with the admiralty, but he's willing to sacrifice his own interests (his own life, even) in order to make it happen. for him to succeed, he either has to die or to submit to those he hates the most. as he has clearly stated, the latter is worse that the former. it mirrors the very first thing we saw in episode 1: the pirates have declared war on humanity, and they would have to recant that and submit to the crown...which is exactly the opposite of their inclinations. it's a really fucking interesting conflict. too bad people can't see past the icky gay stuff. Hell, I'm still waiting for Jim Hawkins. Dr. Livesey, Squire Trelawney, and Captain Smollet to make their appearance. |
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I haven't watched an episode since the man love one. So has every episode had flashbacks to homoerotic man love?
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Good call. This weeks episode had Vane bent over by Guthrie with a wooden strap-on while he simultaneously sucked Flint's cock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I haven't watched an episode since the man love one. So has every episode had flashbacks to homoerotic man love? Since this is a movie channel show I am weary there may be some surprise "sword fighting" . I can watch a show just fine with gay characters but I don't want to see graphic sex scenes. I just want to know if is is going in that direction. Ist obvious you are joking. Is it really that offense I want to know if there's a bunch of man love? |
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I haven't watched an episode since the man love one. So has every episode had flashbacks to homoerotic man love? Since this is a movie channel show I am weary there may be some surprise "sword fighting" . That was the best part of the episode imho Truthfully all it was lacking was a fluffer cameo by Billy Bones.........and John Silvers. |
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It really surprised me when she died. She's never quite acted like that.
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