Otto Carius passed away yesterday,in regards to Tigers in the Mud.

I built a model of his tank after reading the book

The Germans also had serious transmission problems with the Panther.

RIP to a true warrior IMHO

Well since I post it in every other "Tiger" thread we have...

My 1/16th limited edition model of the Tiger I.  Steel tracks, steel barrel, removable engine.

Paint scheme: 505th Schwere Panzer Abteilung, Poland, 1944.

I keep saying I'll get off my ass and build a suitable diorama for it someday, but God knows when I'll have time.

Yeah well I'm not the king of the battlefield in my Tiger 1 when playing WoT!  MM keeps sticking me in battles against more modern tanks that can manhandle me.

Although I did roast a sherman with a single shot last night before a pair of Hellcats raped me.

I believe it was more a matter of one very conservative design (Tiger I) to balance the more radical design (Panther).  

 

Allied guns had extreme difficulty penetrating Panthers frontally with its sloped armor. The mobility of the panter was also greater. But yes, the sides were more vulnerable. If I remember my stats correctly, the high velocity 75mm gun on the Panther had better armor penetration up to 500m but the heavier 88 would keep more momentum past that distance. I'll check later on this to verify.

Kinda reminded me of the 5.56 and .308 rounds. A 5.56mm round will penetrate more up close due to velocity but over distance the heavier .308's momentum penetrates more at distance.

Hundreds of kilometers?  100 km is about 62 miles.

Most in incredible shitty condition. I was there several times between 2002 and 2008.

Very good reason: it didn't work yet.

Now this is a pretty cool picture.  Whoever was next to this didn't have a good day.



In case the caption didn't make it, its a section cut from a Tiger I armor, penetrated partially by a British 17 pounder (3" gun)

Another view

Piece of trivia: the tank museum in Danville, VA has a Panzer IV that was captured by the Israelis during the six day war.

pics?



 

Died about a month ago, unfortunately.

Eta: should've read page the first.

The Syrians used them. They didn't do well.



My understanding is that most were dug in as pill boxes on Golan. A lot are rusting in place:

Now I learned something today.

Those were good tanks in WWII. The guns shown were decent for the time (not world beaters, of course, but pretty good), and they were fairly reliable. If Germany had never bothered with the Tiger and instead focused only on the IV and V, they would have seen a little more success.

*sigh*

Lots of fail in this thread.  Some of you guys need to read up on WWII armor in a big way.  Stop the hear-say, stop the "ours is/was better" , and stop the wishful thinking mentality.

Armored warfare in WWII, much as it is today, has a LOT more involved than just the caliber of gun. Most people don't know that the T34/85mm was LESS effective than the US 76mm, British 17 Pdr, the Panther's 75mm, and even the Panzer Mk IV's 75mm in regards to AP ability. Bring in the 85mm HVAP and it brought it up to par under the 1200 yard mark.  The only thing the Soviet 85mm did better than the other guns previously mentioned was lob a better HE round. Oh, and speaking of the T34, the earlier version with the 76mm main gun was inferior in every way to the US 75mm found on the early versions of the US M4 Sherman. Think about that.

The ultimate trump card(s) in tank warfare in WWII was range and angle of impact. Bring in the quality of optics, the reload rate, the training of the crew, comms, etc., and the discussion of "who would win in a Pershing vs Tiger I fight" becomes a lots different.  BTW... the US 90mm was on par with the Panther's 75mm and Tiger's 88mm in terms of AP ability. It was LESS than the King Tiger's 88mm by a long ways.

All the times I've been to VA I never went to that museum.  Those Pz IV were originally in the Turkish Army and was later transferred to Syrians.  Obsolete by 1967, they were dug in and served as pillboxes.  Their guns could take out the 2nd line Ishermans but against the Centurion or M-48 Pattons of the time they were pretty weak.  BTW, the Izzys still have a lot of left over dug in Arab equipment.  I remember seeing some T-34/85s dug in that the Izzys never bothered to remove.

t-34-85:
100m - 117mm pen AP
500m - 100mm pen AP
1000m - 95mm pen AP

Panz IV 75mm:
100m - 106mm pen APCBC
500m - 96mm pen APCBC
1000m - 85mm pen APCBC

Only with APCR did the Panz IV have higher penetration.....and even then, availability was scarce until mid-late 1944/45........

makes me sad



 

All true, however the picture I posted was a picture of the actual Panzer IV at the AAF Museum in Danvile. The former Littelfield now Collings Foundation Panzer IV is also of Syrian lineage. Believe he got it in trade from the IDF armor museum at Latrun in exchange for a restored M3 and something else.

I get a 403 forbidden on the link to your pic, which isn't loading for me in this thread on multiple devices. *shrug*