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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:49:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Too little too late.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:53:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Good for him. I still can't stand him but this needed to be done.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:53:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Just means the state, or federal, governments will get what was seized. Though, without the incentive to steal, PDs might curb the bullshit, a bit.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:56:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:58:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Am conflicted.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:00:50 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Link State and local police in the United States will no longer be able to use federal laws to justify seizing property without evidence of a crime, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday. Under the official law, the Justice Department's Equitable Sharing Program, local police departments can keep 80% of the stuff seized during drug raids and other investigations. Holder cited "safeguarding civil liberties" as a reason for the change in policy. While police can still seize assets under their individual state's laws, many used the federal law out of ease, as the Post notes. State laws also usually require any money to funnel into a general fund. The order directs federal agencies who have collected property during such seizures to withdraw their participation, except if the items collected could endanger the public, as in the case of illegal firearms, ammunition, explosives and property associated with child porn. Holder said the ban was the first step in a comprehensive review the Justice Department has launched of the program. An anonymous Department of Justice official told The Post that Holder “also believes that the new policy will eliminate any possibility that the adoption process might unintentionally incentivize unnecessary stops and seizures.” 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:04:17 PM EDT
[#7]
WTF.?
Didn't he resign? What the hell? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:05:10 PM EDT
[#8]
Good. EH is still a gigantic fuckhead, but this is a good thing. It is an absolute travesty that cops could seize property without due process.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:05:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Feds don't want competition
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:06:38 PM EDT
[#10]
This was a good call. Don't know how much of a difference it will make, but it needed to be done for sure.
Also, FEH. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:07:40 PM EDT
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While I agree this should stop, is this law or just policy? How can the AG change laws at will...not that that's new either
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:10:31 PM EDT
[#12]
This is a trap to increase federal control over the states.
1: create a system of abuse. 2: encourage participation by others. 3: divorce yourself from the abuse. 5: when it continues, claim others are responsible and assert control. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:12:03 PM EDT
[#13]
So he did one good thing in 6 years.
Fuck him any way. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:12:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:17:53 PM EDT
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So he did one good thing in 6 years. Fuck him any way. He excluded weapons from the "no seizure" rules, so there is that. 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:18:02 PM EDT
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Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere. Yep. Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing. He is not a good person, tho. And not to be trusted. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:20:01 PM EDT
[#17]
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This is a trap to increase federal control over the states. 1: create a system of abuse. 2: encourage participation by others. 3: divorce yourself from the abuse. 5: when it continues, claim others are responsible and assert control. This. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:20:37 PM EDT
[#18]
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally...
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:25:41 PM EDT
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Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere. Agreed. I get a feeling this is something that's being set to help give more power to the feds down the line. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:26:34 PM EDT
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Good for him. I still can't stand him but this needed to be done. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:28:39 PM EDT
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Agreed. I get a feeling this is something that's being set to help give more power to the feds down the line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere. Agreed. I get a feeling this is something that's being set to help give more power to the feds down the line. 1) Doesn't stop the feds from doing it. 2) Doesn't really affect the states since only 8-ish ban the use of civil forfeiture. In the rest, the PDs will still get 50%, or more, to keep in their departments. So...net result? Nothing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:29:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Shouldn't there actually be a conviction before the government can keep seized assets?
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:31:48 PM EDT
[#23]
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While I agree this should stop, is this law or just policy? How can the AG change laws at will...not that that's new either He can't,so it must just be a policy thing. Sounds less like he's ending Civil Asset Forfeiture, as he's not letting local cops keep 80% of the theft anymore. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:32:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:33:09 PM EDT
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Shouldn't there actually be a conviction before the government can keep seized assets? Of course. And, if assets are seized, govt at any level is the LAST entity that should have a claim. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:34:40 PM EDT
[#26]
He just changed it because he's going to be driving around with large wads of money he made off Mexican drug dealers, and doesn't want to lose it now that he's going to be powerless soon.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:36:17 PM EDT
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He just changed it because he's going to be driving around with large wads of money he made off Mexican drug dealers, and doesn't want to lose it now that he's going to be powerless soon. Eric Holder wouldn't be taking his Millions out of the country to evade prosecution now would he? 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:42:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Remember, in Obama world, you reward your friends and punish your enemies. You can count on this being selectively enforced.
The Congress should fix the law to require a CONVICTION before asset forfeiture can occur. Period. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:57:10 PM EDT
[#29]
You are still a criminal piece of filth but, in this one case, good for you.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:06:49 AM EDT
[#30]
This is bullshit. It's not Holder's prerogative to decide which laws he will or will not enforce. Congress passed the laws, he has to enforce them.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:12:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Is that for white folk too?
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:13:51 AM EDT
[#32]
You all know that the vast majority of local police seizures are done under state law, right?
This won't change anything. Except that Feds get to keep everthing from fed raids rather than giving some to the assisting locals. Yeah, what a great thing. More for the Feds. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:16:58 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for him. I still can't stand him but this needed to be done. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:17:50 AM EDT
[#34]
People apparently hate hotlinking. Favor to the MJ dispensaries.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:19:04 AM EDT
[#35]
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Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere. My thoughts exactly when I heard this on the radio earlier. Follow the skim-who does this benefit or who will it benefit? EH has never done a fucking pro-liberty or honorable thing in his life so why would he start now? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:19:31 AM EDT
[#36]
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You all know that the vast majority of local police seizures are done under state law, right? This won't change anything. Except that Feds get to keep everthing from fed raids rather than giving some to the assisting locals. Yeah, what a great thing. More for the Feds. *ding, ding, ding* |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:23:04 AM EDT
[#37]
Does anyone here really believe he did this because it's the rightnthing to do? I am convinced there is some other reason that fucks regular people and helps criminals.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:24:13 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He can't,so it must just be a policy thing. Sounds less like he's ending Civil Asset Forfeiture, as he's not letting local cops keep 80% of the theft anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While I agree this should stop, is this law or just policy? How can the AG change laws at will...not that that's new either He can't,so it must just be a policy thing. Sounds less like he's ending Civil Asset Forfeiture, as he's not letting local cops keep 80% of the theft anymore. Local LEOs can still seize under local law.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:25:19 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Good for him. I still can't stand him but this needed to be done. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:26:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone here really believe he did this because it's the rightnthing to do? I am convinced there is some other reason that fucks regular people and helps criminals. All off you that think this is good? It isn't. It doesn't stop locals from doing what they always have. It just means the Feds don't share. Holder will NEVERTHELESS do anything that will be a good thing.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:26:47 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he did one good thing in 6 years. Fuck him any way. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:27:58 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally agree. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he did one good thing in 6 years. Fuck him any way.  OP, the title is misleading.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:30:07 AM EDT
[#43]
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You all know that the vast majority of local police seizures are done under state law, right? This won't change anything. Except that Feds get to keep everthing from fed raids rather than giving some to the assisting locals. Yeah, what a great thing. More for the Feds. Winner |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:32:06 AM EDT
[#44]
Leave it to the scum of the earth to put me in bed with Holder. Fuck all ...........
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:38:55 AM EDT
[#45]
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He can't,so it must just be a policy thing. Sounds less like he's ending Civil Asset Forfeiture, as he's not letting local cops keep 80% of the theft anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I agree this should stop, is this law or just policy? How can the AG change laws at will...not that that's new either He can't,so it must just be a policy thing. Sounds less like he's ending Civil Asset Forfeiture, as he's not letting local cops keep 80% of the theft anymore. This is it. The feds will keep it all. Locals incentive to take it will go away. TN has a few jack ass PDs that are taking everyone's money. I never understood how this is legal. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:44:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere. So cynical! |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is it. The feds will keep it all. Locals incentive to take it will go away. TN has a few jack ass PDs that are taking everyone's money. I never understood how this is legal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: While I agree this should stop, is this law or just policy? How can the AG change laws at will...not that that's new either He can't,so it must just be a policy thing. Sounds less like he's ending Civil Asset Forfeiture, as he's not letting local cops keep 80% of the theft anymore. This is it. The feds will keep it all. Locals incentive to take it will go away. TN has a few jack ass PDs that are taking everyone's money. I never understood how this is legal. http://www.tn.gov/safety/thp/forfeit.shtml Holder is just making sure the Feds keep everthing from fed raids. He isn't changing state laws. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:50:09 AM EDT
[#48]
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Gotta be something else behind this. Holder's lifelong track record does not indicate he'd do something like this without a payback somewhere. This. These guys don't do anything for no reason. Is there a "familiar" going to be busted in the next 6 months?? When does the states' rights vs fed enter the violent stage? How's Michelle's holdings looking overseas? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:51:44 AM EDT
[#49]
The President can't end a law, let alone his subordinate, the Attorney General.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:57:07 AM EDT
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Next step needs to be demilitarization of the police, and cease funding and supplying police departments with government surplus military equipment. Even better... confiscate, reclaim ownership of current inventory. |
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