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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:17:55 AM EDT
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Would a die grinder help make cutting the profile faster? Would it heat the metal too much while cutting? Looks like a fun project. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Would a die grinder help make cutting the profile faster? Would it heat the metal too much while cutting? Looks like a fun project. Quoted:
Why are you not using a belt sander? I have a grinder coming this week, but as I said in the OP I want to do this one by hand. I'm in no hurry and to me its fun. I'm certainly not going to do them all by hand. This is nothing more than a time sink for me, its something to relax while doing. Everything these days is rush rush rush, so its nice to take things slow. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:18:46 AM EDT
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Yes many metals will work harden but if you use a die grinder with a carbide burr it will remove material faster. This can be a good thing or a bad thing. For a first attempt I try to encourage using a file for the fine work. But then when a student comes to my shop they have access to my grinder. Though many want to take their project home to work on it. Good Job OP. you are progressing well. Keep at it and don't try to rush. That is what usually trips first time makers up. thanks, I'm in no hurry, I'm enjoying the slower pace, gives me time to think and understand what I'm doing |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:19:58 AM EDT
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Chalk your files to reduce pinning and make the chips that do get stuck easier to brush out. I read someone else mention this online, I think bladeforum, I'll have to look into it. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:41:18 AM EDT
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Chalk your files to reduce pinning and make the chips that do get stuck easier to brush out. What is this "chalk your files" you speak of? |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:43:43 AM EDT
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I read someone else mention this online, I think bladeforum, I'll have to look into it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chalk your files to reduce pinning and make the chips that do get stuck easier to brush out. I read someone else mention this online, I think bladeforum, I'll have to look into it. I started to do this recently, it actually does make a noticeable difference. I saw it on a Larry Potterfield gunsmithing video oddly enough. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:47:30 AM EDT
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What is this "chalk your files" you speak of? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chalk your files to reduce pinning and make the chips that do get stuck easier to brush out. What is this "chalk your files" you speak of? I use a soapstone to "chalk" my files often, especially on softer materials. It helps to keep them from clogging with removed material. Just mark up the file with the soapstone prior to filing. A sulfur based cutting oil works as well but is a bit messier. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:04:50 AM EDT
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Neat winter project.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 1:39:05 PM EDT
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I was thinking a cut off wheel to lop off chunks, then going at it with a file. I forgot about carbide burr bits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes many metals will work harden but if you use a die grinder with a carbide burr it will remove material faster. This can be a good thing or a bad thing. For a first attempt I try to encourage using a file for the fine work. But then when a student comes to my shop they have access to my grinder. Though many want to take their project home to work on it. Good Job OP. you are progressing well. Keep at it and don't try to rush. That is what usually trips first time makers up. I was thinking a cut off wheel to lop off chunks, then going at it with a file. I forgot about carbide burr bits. Yes cut off wheels will work very well. Just need to be careful. The only time i ever went in for stitches was when a cut off wheel kicked back. This is especially true when there is any angle involved |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 1:50:49 PM EDT
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subscribe, I've thought about doing something like this, but I hadn't taken the time to figure out where to start.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:03:35 PM EDT
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subscribe, I've thought about doing something like this, but I hadn't taken the time to figure out where to start. you should do it. hell if you have a vice, hacksaw and a few good files you are already there. just buy some steel and get hacking 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:06:15 PM EDT
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Absolutely, you need to go for it. Just make sure you buy knife steel, or high carbon steel. Do not buy the steel at Home Depot or Lowes. It is low carbon and will not harden.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:13:59 PM EDT
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Absolutely, you need to go for it. Just make sure you buy knife steel, or high carbon steel. Do not buy the steel at Home Depot or Lowes. It is low carbon and will not harden. do you have a place you like to order from? I ordered mine from NJ steel baron, but I'm hoping to find some place local so I can save on shipping. With shipping it cost me about $52 for two 1.25" x 48" .125" thick. If I practice on making knives the same size as what I'm doing now i'll be able to make 12 of them, so about $4.30 a knife. I can live with that, but I'm always searching for a deal |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:14:30 PM EDT
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you should do it. hell if you have a vice, hacksaw and a few good files you are already there. just buy some steel and get hacking Quote HistoryQuoted:
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subscribe, I've thought about doing something like this, but I hadn't taken the time to figure out where to start. you should do it. hell if you have a vice, hacksaw and a few good files you are already there. just buy some steel and get hacking and a knife board. Gough was freaking me out working on that demonstration knife with the blade hanging off the bench. Plus, I know he has one, he uses it other videos, and they're nothing special, maybe the most simple tool in the shop. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:18:39 PM EDT
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Aldo us about the best deal in town. Especially since your in NY. I buy some steel from Kelly Cupples. If you buy $100 or more shipping is free. If your interested i can pm his contact info. He does not do cc or pp, just good old cash or check.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:44:19 PM EDT
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do you have a place you like to order from? I ordered mine from NJ steel baron, but I'm hoping to find some place local so I can save on shipping. With shipping it cost me about $52 for two 1.25" x 48" .125" thick. If I practice on making knives the same size as what I'm doing now i'll be able to make 12 of them, so about $4.30 a knife. I can live with that, but I'm always searching for a deal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely, you need to go for it. Just make sure you buy knife steel, or high carbon steel. Do not buy the steel at Home Depot or Lowes. It is low carbon and will not harden. do you have a place you like to order from? I ordered mine from NJ steel baron, but I'm hoping to find some place local so I can save on shipping. With shipping it cost me about $52 for two 1.25" x 48" .125" thick. If I practice on making knives the same size as what I'm doing now i'll be able to make 12 of them, so about $4.30 a knife. I can live with that, but I'm always searching for a deal You might find other items for your project here (in the Industry section of the site): KnifeKits.com www.knifekits.com |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:55:42 PM EDT
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You might find other items for your project here (in the Industry section of the site): KnifeKits.com www.knifekits.com I have them bookmarked with all my knife related things, good to know they are an industry partner, more reason to buy from them. I need a few more little items like cutting oil, a decent shop apron (maybe a Kiss the Knifemaker one?), also I want to get a vice for my drill press, I need to wire up my motor for the grinder still. Little things, but its all part of the fun. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:04:29 PM EDT
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Nice OP. Looking forward to the next update.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:23:14 PM EDT
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Looks good OP! Knife making is fun, it's about as addicting as BRD once you really get going. I've built several using pre-made knife blanks. I attach and shape my handle material and give them as gifts mostly. FWIW, I don't consider that knife making but I didn't have a forge for heat treating but I'm building one out of an old propane tank as we speak so hopefully soon I'll start making my own blades. Got some 1085 and D2 steel to try out. If you really get going later on and want some exotic and one of a kind handle material check out this place. I've found a lot of places that sell unique and interesting stuff for handle materials. To me building the handles is the most fun.
Ankrom Exotics They have some cool things to use as handle material. I like to use more traditional materials like wood, horn, or bone but I sometimes like to use something that stands out. Here's one I put together for my cousin a couple years ago. Used sambar stag as the handle. Brass & buffalo horn as the spacers. 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:33:53 PM EDT
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This thread is relative to my edged tool syndrome.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 4:14:07 PM EDT
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There is some information and tutorials here that could help you: http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/4_Blades.html
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Posted: 1/13/2015 4:21:08 PM EDT
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There is some information and tutorials here that could help you: http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/4_Blades.html I read Fox's tutorial threads at least three times
You should make knives too Ed, give you something to do in retirement between feeding the chickens and surfing Arfcom |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 4:24:56 PM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:21:44 PM EDT
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Update #2
Didn't get much done today, had some other non fun stuff to do 
First thing is my motor showed up! 
bad news is I forgot I had to wire a switch and cord into the damn thing 
on an unrelated note but I thought you guys might like to see is this little device my grandfather made, I love it. He was a steelworker by trade and a carpenter in his spare time. I never got to know his as I was young when he died. But every time I need some small bolt or nut or screw I say "I bet papa Joe has one I can borrow"
anyways back to the knife, the tip was really bugging me all day 
so it got a bit of file lovin tonight 
slowly its coming along though, I'll file file file file file then I'll molest it for a bit, then back to the vice 
this area was also pissing me off, I didn't care for the rounded off look 
Now I have no idea what the current trend in knives is, but for some reason I wanted to square off the top there, I like the look more. knife makes I'd like your thoughts on that. 
Now I'm not certain how I'm going to shape my bevel. Watching a lot of videos guys seem to like the total flat grind, but I'm not a huge fan of it. to each his own though 
I'm not sure what I'll end up with but I do know that I want the tip to drop a bit more, so more filing 
Here is where I left it, no radical difference from yesterday, just refining how I want it to look. 
Once I'm set with the basic shape I'll either start the bevel which I'm worried I'll fuck up or I'll drill some holes for the pins. We'll see
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:32:54 PM EDT
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Meh.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:39:41 PM EDT
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Meh. 
don't be jealous man, I told you to stop over this weekend. I'll even give you a chuck of steel you can call your own |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:40:24 PM EDT
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Your off to a good start! Take it slow and you'll be fine.
You said you dont want a full flat grind, are you looking more for a saber grind or a scandi grind? Good work so far! Any idea on handle material? |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:43:40 PM EDT
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Your off to a good start! Take it slow and you'll be fine. You said you dont want a full flat grind, are you looking more for a saber grind or a scandi grind? Good work so far! Any idea on handle material? I'll be honest i do not know the different grind types yet. I'll look around online to see if i can find a pic of what i'm thinking |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:51:43 PM EDT
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Your off to a good start! Take it slow and you'll be fine. You said you dont want a full flat grind, are you looking more for a saber grind or a scandi grind? Good work so far! Any idea on handle material? I have always liked this look on a blade, i think i've heard it called a high flat but i'm not sure. I suppose i need to learn my grinds 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:00:18 PM EDT
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Meh.
don't be jealous man, I told you to stop over this weekend. I'll even give you a chuck of steel you can call your own Unless it's an architectural model, I won't be fabricating anything this weekend. But nice start man, I'm looking forward to your progress. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:07:34 PM EDT
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You really need to clean your files. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok here is tonights update. Here is what I started off doing, finishing cutting this little bits along the bar http://i.imgur.com/2f8qXtL.jpg then hacking them off http://i.imgur.com/xSJjE7t.jpg Just checking out my progress while I sing "Sixteen Tons" to myself http://i.imgur.com/YYx54MY.jpg annnd I'm filing http://i.imgur.com/KQrw280.jpg starting to get some shape http://i.imgur.com/uH45EpT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uwNr67F.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WF4G1VE.jpg taking another look http://i.imgur.com/2kOKcNh.jpg fixing this pesky spot http://i.imgur.com/8bGMj0V.jpg and here is where I left it for tonight. I've got to say this is pretty damn fun, its sort of mindless work but its nice to get let my mind relax http://i.imgur.com/8Pih5c9.jpg I have a few spots I'm really going to focus on next, like the tip. You really need to clean your files. And cut off the vice bolts 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:39:27 PM EDT
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I have always liked this look on a blade, i think i've heard it called a high flat but i'm not sure. I suppose i need to learn my grinds http://www.northamericanknives.com/files/1788248/uploaded/692BKS%20-%20Buck%20Vanguard%20fixed%20blade%20drop%20point%20hunting%20knife.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your off to a good start! Take it slow and you'll be fine. You said you dont want a full flat grind, are you looking more for a saber grind or a scandi grind? Good work so far! Any idea on handle material? I have always liked this look on a blade, i think i've heard it called a high flat but i'm not sure. I suppose i need to learn my grinds http://www.northamericanknives.com/files/1788248/uploaded/692BKS%20-%20Buck%20Vanguard%20fixed%20blade%20drop%20point%20hunting%20knife.jpg That's a hollow grind. You need a contact wheel and a belt grinder to do it. If you cut the flat all the way to the spine you are doing a full flat grind. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 8:17:33 AM EDT
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That's a hollow grind. You need a contact wheel and a belt grinder to do it. If you cut the flat all the way to the spine you are doing a full flat grind. ok thanks. I'm going to look at the different grinds today to familiarize myself with them. If I cut flat say 3/4 of the way up to the spine is that just a variation of a flat grind? That is most likely what I'll do with this knife. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 8:31:49 AM EDT
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Here is a good example of the 3 most popular knife grinds:
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Top: Flat Grind Middle: Saber Grind Bottom: Scandinavian Grind |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 9:24:24 AM EDT
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Here is a good example of the 3 most popular knife grinds: http://store.battlehorseknives.com/assets/images/Brumby/Brumby%20(6).JPG Top: Flat Grind Middle: Saber Grind Bottom: Scandinavian Grind I really like the look of the saber grind, but all three of those are good. Its not that I hate a full flat grind, its just I prefer other grinds more |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 9:48:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like the look of the saber grind, but all three of those are good. Its not that I hate a full flat grind, its just I prefer other grinds more Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is a good example of the 3 most popular knife grinds: http://store.battlehorseknives.com/assets/images/Brumby/Brumby%20(6).JPG Top: Flat Grind Middle: Saber Grind Bottom: Scandinavian Grind I really like the look of the saber grind, but all three of those are good. Its not that I hate a full flat grind, its just I prefer other grinds more Well if I had a vote, I'd vote full-flat grind all day long. Then again it depends on what you're gonna do with the blade. I think the saber and Scandinavian grinds are best for blades that see a lot of bushcrafting and baton work. I just know I prefer the edge of a full-flat grind over the others, particularly in folders. Either way you're doing a great job with this project, OP.
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Posted: 1/14/2015 9:56:19 AM EDT
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Here is a good example of the 3 most popular knife grinds: http://store.battlehorseknives.com/assets/images/Brumby/Brumby%20(6).JPG Top: Flat Grind Middle: Saber Grind Bottom: Scandinavian Grind I really like the look of the saber grind, but all three of those are good. Its not that I hate a full flat grind, its just I prefer other grinds more I have always been a huge fan of the Scandi grind. Its a very capable grind that really excels in the areas that I use a knife for and its very easy to touch up the edge. My advice would be pick the grind that suits your needs the best. How will you use the knife? |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 10:05:46 AM EDT
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Listen old man, you ain't exactly the one to be talking about faggotry, unless of course we're referring to your trend setting fashion as a fisherman 
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"now maybe I've become a pussy but I'd rather not breathe in anymore nasty shit that I need to, so time to strap on the mask" http://i.imgur.com/cXblZOx.jpg What kind of faggotry is this? 
Are you wearing blue sandals and waders? Listen old man, you ain't exactly the one to be talking about faggotry, unless of course we're referring to your trend setting fashion as a fisherman
http://i.imgur.com/UDr0qpZ.jpg Skinny pants on the river..... what a Bitch |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 10:21:25 AM EDT
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"now maybe I've become a pussy but I'd rather not breathe in anymore nasty shit that I need to, so time to strap on the mask" http://i.imgur.com/cXblZOx.jpg What kind of faggotry is this?
Are you wearing blue sandals and waders? Listen old man, you ain't exactly the one to be talking about faggotry, unless of course we're referring to your trend setting fashion as a fisherman
http://i.imgur.com/UDr0qpZ.jpg Skinny pants on the river..... what a Bitch COMEMIERDA! |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:56:03 AM EDT
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I have always been a huge fan of the Scandi grind. Its a very capable grind that really excels in the areas that I use a knife for and its very easy to touch up the edge. My advice would be pick the grind that suits your needs the best. How will you use the knife? honestly I'm not sure, if it turns out nice I might take it hunting, the blade length is about right, maybe a tad long. This knife isn't being made to fill a role, I just wanted to make one. After I've made a few I plan on making them to fill certain roles, I'd like to make a set of good kitchen knifes at some point |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:39:33 PM EDT
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If your going to cut it with a "flat" file stay with a "flat" grind, trust me on this one.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:57:09 PM EDT
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Update #3
I decided to have a good long look at the thing I've created. I wasn't too happy. This just had to get fixed 
still looks a bit off in this photo, but trust me, its better 
Next thing I wasnt digging the rounded end, so I squared it off a bit 
at this point I figured I might as well try my hand at bevels, so I scribed the edge using a 1/8th drill bit to give me a center line. 
getting the double cut bastard file all set for my jig 
jig ready to go 
I was a bit nervous at this point, I ready didn't want all the filing and hacking to go to hell if I screwed up the bevel, but I'll never learn anything just twiddling my thumbs and whistling dixie 
after a few minutes 
taking a look before I flip it. 
a lot of stuff that I read seems like most guys do one side at a time, but I kept going back and forth, I wanted to take it slow but also make sure I wasn't making huge mistakes 
bevel is getting better 
here is where I left for tonight. 
the tip and edge 
now a few things, I don't need a knife maker to tell me that my plunge line is total shit, Its too far down, but I messed up early on or at least I felt like I did so I moved it further down. I will hopefully be able to clean it up with some patience. Also if any of you make this jig one thing I noticed at first is that if the back eye screw is set too high you can't file the tip properly, it ends up thicker than the rest of the blade. I think I have finally found a good starting point but depending on your dimensions your results may vary. I'm new at this though so maybe I'm just doing something retarded. still got a lot of work to do, but to steal part of Old_Painless's catch phrase, its fun to file stuff
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Posted: 1/15/2015 9:10:16 PM EDT
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Your motivated! Patients is key!!! Tuned in.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:38:28 AM EDT
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Looks good to me!!
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:14:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Update #3 I decided to have a good long look at the thing I've created. I wasn't too happy. This just had to get fixed http://i.imgur.com/V8DbNZv.jpg still looks a bit off in this photo, but trust me, its better http://i.imgur.com/KSqjGnf.jpg Next thing I wasnt digging the rounded end, so I squared it off a bit http://i.imgur.com/BTsotDm.jpg at this point I figured I might as well try my hand at bevels, so I scribed the edge using a 1/8th drill bit to give me a center line. http://i.imgur.com/k39gLdq.jpg getting the double cut bastard file all set for my jig http://i.imgur.com/zNrZ6JX.jpg jig ready to go http://i.imgur.com/0Gv99Ys.jpg I was a bit nervous at this point, I ready didn't want all the filing and hacking to go to hell if I screwed up the bevel, but I'll never learn anything just twiddling my thumbs and whistling dixie http://i.imgur.com/p4IW5S1.jpg after a few minutes http://i.imgur.com/7a4mhAk.jpg taking a look before I flip it. http://i.imgur.com/0EXKYaH.jpg a lot of stuff that I read seems like most guys do one side at a time, but I kept going back and forth, I wanted to take it slow but also make sure I wasn't making huge mistakes http://i.imgur.com/zUUw2Ry.jpg bevel is getting better http://i.imgur.com/s3m83gp.jpg here is where I left for tonight. http://i.imgur.com/ZBK5Wsk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4QrofZd.jpg the tip and edge http://i.imgur.com/tMAKkSL.jpg now a few things, I don't need a knife making to tell me that my plunge line is total shit, Its too far down, but I messed up early on or at least I felt like I did so I moved it further down. I will hopefully be able to clean it up with some patience. Also if any of you make this jig one thing I noticed at first is that if the back eye screw is set too high you can't file the tip properly, it ends up thicker than the rest of the blade. I think I have finally found a good starting point but depending on your dimensions your results may vary. I'm new at this though so maybe I'm just doing something retarded. still got a lot of work to do, but to steal part of Old_Painless's catch phrase, its fun to file stuff Good shit.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:27:25 AM EDT
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Looks good to me!! thanks guys, maybe I'll motivate some of you to get filing
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:48:35 AM EDT
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coming along nicely..
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:49:13 AM EDT
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the title gave me flashbacks of DI knifehands
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:00:42 PM EDT
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Im liking it , so far
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:18:54 PM EDT
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I need to fix this, I thought I was happy but every time I look at this image it just glares at me.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:01:45 PM EDT
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Add a choil. Increase the width of your grind bevel to refine the tip, the blade is trying to transition from full thickness to a point in a very short distance.
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