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Posted: 12/29/2014 10:27:18 AM EDT
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? if they did that it would add a lot more bulk when shooting from the shoulder 
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Posted: 12/29/2014 10:32:48 AM EDT
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 10:34:39 AM EDT
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? if they did that it would add a lot more bulk when shooting from the shoulder I'll take one!! 
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Posted: 12/29/2014 10:38:40 AM EDT
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With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. it's only on one arm.
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Posted: 12/29/2014 10:42:26 AM EDT
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With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. When he engages that muscle he mysteriously starts seeing a lot of rapid vertical stringing. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 11:39:35 AM EDT
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You might be surprised to learn the biggest douchebags I encounter are on this site, lol Oh, the irony. See, it's almost Pavlovian. You ring a bell, and the douchebags show up. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 11:39:47 AM EDT
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You mean how a Sig Brace equipped pistol doesn't fit the definition of an SBR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the NFA and the brace-boys don't seem to get it. What exactly are they missing about it?  The SBR part... They seem to think they are getting away with something. You mean how a Sig Brace equipped pistol doesn't fit the definition of an SBR? What Zaminsky and the others seem to be missing is that the ATF approved the Sig Brace and then turned around and approved shouldering it. There is no "loop hole" in using a Sig Brace. No more than there is a Gun Show "Loop Hole" where individuals can sell firearms to each other without the need for a NICs check. Use your head guys.... |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 11:53:22 AM EDT
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Zaminski; Well to answer your question. "Is wannabe pretend cop like wannabe pretend SBR??" I don't know what to tell you. I've been out of the Law Enforcement community for around 25 years now I believe. Wasn't a Wannabe, was sworn. As far as a pretend SBR? Can't say. I don't own one. I'm really not sure what a pretend one would be. It either is, or it isn't an SBR. The problem with you is. You are actually looking forward to seeing, fellow Gun Owners get arrested. Over some ambiguous wording. Or what the meaning of IS is. To me that's sad. And doesn't say very much for your character. Personally I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. As far as me being a Douchebag? Hell I've been called a lot worse than that. By better men than you. Coming from you sir. I take that as a compliment. Thanks!  Enjoy your night!
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Posted: 12/29/2014 11:53:44 AM EDT
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Zaminski; Well to answer your question. "Is wannabe pretend cop like wannabe pretend SBR??" I don't know what to tell you. I've been out of the Law Enforcement community for around 25 years now I believe. Wasn't a Wannabe, was sworn. As far as a pretend SBR? Can't say. I don't own one. I'm really not sure what a pretend one would be. It either is, or it isn't an SBR. The problem with you is. You are actually looking forward to seeing, fellow Gun Owners get arrested. Over some ambiguous wording. Or what the meaning of IS is. To me that's sad. And doesn't say very much for your character. Personally I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. As far as me being a Douchebag? Hell I've been called a lot worse than that. By better men than you. Coming from you sir. I take that as a compliment. Thanks! Enjoy your night!
With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 11:56:43 AM EDT
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? Find a girlfriend? Fap less? Fap for shorter periods of time? All of these might reduce the swelling of your forearms.
Or you could buy the new brace from Sig, the SBX which is made for guys with "muscular" forearms..... |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 11:59:01 AM EDT
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What Zaminsky and the others seem to be missing is that the ATF approved the Sig Brace and then turned around and approved shouldering it. There is no "loop hole" in using a Sig Brace. No more than there is a Gun Show "Loop Hole" where individuals can sell firearms to each other without the need for a NICs check. Use your head guys.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the NFA and the brace-boys don't seem to get it. What exactly are they missing about it? The SBR part... They seem to think they are getting away with something. You mean how a Sig Brace equipped pistol doesn't fit the definition of an SBR? What Zaminsky and the others seem to be missing is that the ATF approved the Sig Brace and then turned around and approved shouldering it. There is no "loop hole" in using a Sig Brace. No more than there is a Gun Show "Loop Hole" where individuals can sell firearms to each other without the need for a NICs check. Use your head guys.... Use my head? Like these guys?? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:00:43 PM EDT
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With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zaminski; Well to answer your question. "Is wannabe pretend cop like wannabe pretend SBR??" I don't know what to tell you. I've been out of the Law Enforcement community for around 25 years now I believe. Wasn't a Wannabe, was sworn. As far as a pretend SBR? Can't say. I don't own one. I'm really not sure what a pretend one would be. It either is, or it isn't an SBR. The problem with you is. You are actually looking forward to seeing, fellow Gun Owners get arrested. Over some ambiguous wording. Or what the meaning of IS is. To me that's sad. And doesn't say very much for your character. Personally I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. As far as me being a Douchebag? Hell I've been called a lot worse than that. By better men than you. Coming from you sir. I take that as a compliment. Thanks! Enjoy your night!
With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? You and I have different definitions of "Fellow" in regards to gun owners. My "Fellow" gun owners are law abiding and not felons who happen to possess firearms when prohibited from doing so. No do they run around murdering people. Obviously, you dont have the same standards. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:04:48 PM EDT
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You mean how a Sig Brace equipped pistol doesn't fit the definition of an SBR? What Zaminsky and the others seem to be missing is that the ATF approved the Sig Brace and then turned around and approved shouldering it. There is no "loop hole" in using a Sig Brace. No more than there is a Gun Show "Loop Hole" where individuals can sell firearms to each other without the need for a NICs check. Use your head guys.... Use my head? Like these guys?? https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRChNRMcd1yf4IfiH3I5Tcr_k4_8y0d9vM7jWrEN9EO0lpzeDSr https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgSgwa6BSeJp8OPzRmRIKVDk8D3ySkJOYMAdoVQyA7Zfhmij4j https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-UdtK8WoEzGpDKWvD52qqKpgZRMa-_RxkWWJqEQ-nIgIfhjw7 https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjVMSkd7zXLIXwyQHUA_0mDh8yABlOWcxt63HVhnzypF7zywgO https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0Zkpf8KHvRliSKvCjKv4aymFhmA3sv9xH4NcqgpxSbtkX4CiAXA What are they doing that is illegal? Unless those AR's are Registered SBR's or Machine Guns...It's an unregistered SBR. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:05:59 PM EDT
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You and I have different definitions of "Fellow" in regards to gun owners. My "Fellow" gun owners are law abiding and not felons who happen to possess firearms when prohibited from doing so. No do they run around murdering people. Obviously, you dont have the same standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zaminski; Well to answer your question. "Is wannabe pretend cop like wannabe pretend SBR??" I don't know what to tell you. I've been out of the Law Enforcement community for around 25 years now I believe. Wasn't a Wannabe, was sworn. As far as a pretend SBR? Can't say. I don't own one. I'm really not sure what a pretend one would be. It either is, or it isn't an SBR. The problem with you is. You are actually looking forward to seeing, fellow Gun Owners get arrested. Over some ambiguous wording. Or what the meaning of IS is. To me that's sad. And doesn't say very much for your character. Personally I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. As far as me being a Douchebag? Hell I've been called a lot worse than that. By better men than you. Coming from you sir. I take that as a compliment. Thanks! Enjoy your night!
With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? You and I have different definitions of "Fellow" in regards to gun owners. My "Fellow" gun owners are law abiding and not felons who happen to possess firearms when prohibited from doing so. No do they run around murdering people. Obviously, you dont have the same standards. Clearly not. For example, you consider people who try to employ so called "work arounds" to the NFA as "law abiding". |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:08:17 PM EDT
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Unless those AR's are Registered SBR's or Machine Guns...It's an unregistered SBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You mean how a Sig Brace equipped pistol doesn't fit the definition of an SBR? What Zaminsky and the others seem to be missing is that the ATF approved the Sig Brace and then turned around and approved shouldering it. There is no "loop hole" in using a Sig Brace. No more than there is a Gun Show "Loop Hole" where individuals can sell firearms to each other without the need for a NICs check. Use your head guys.... Use my head? Like these guys?? https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRChNRMcd1yf4IfiH3I5Tcr_k4_8y0d9vM7jWrEN9EO0lpzeDSr https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgSgwa6BSeJp8OPzRmRIKVDk8D3ySkJOYMAdoVQyA7Zfhmij4j https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-UdtK8WoEzGpDKWvD52qqKpgZRMa-_RxkWWJqEQ-nIgIfhjw7 https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjVMSkd7zXLIXwyQHUA_0mDh8yABlOWcxt63HVhnzypF7zywgO https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0Zkpf8KHvRliSKvCjKv4aymFhmA3sv9xH4NcqgpxSbtkX4CiAXA What are they doing that is illegal? Unless those AR's are Registered SBR's or Machine Guns...It's an unregistered SBR. Really? You are able to determine the intent of the manufacturer who installed those braces on those pistols based solely on those pictures? Impressive!!! Especially since even in the most recent ATF letter from the Tech Branch states that its not illegal as long as the intent of the manufacturer is NOT to create an SBR. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:09:55 PM EDT
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Clearly not. For example, you consider people who try to employ so called "work arounds" to the NFA as "law abiding". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zaminski; Well to answer your question. "Is wannabe pretend cop like wannabe pretend SBR??" I don't know what to tell you. I've been out of the Law Enforcement community for around 25 years now I believe. Wasn't a Wannabe, was sworn. As far as a pretend SBR? Can't say. I don't own one. I'm really not sure what a pretend one would be. It either is, or it isn't an SBR. The problem with you is. You are actually looking forward to seeing, fellow Gun Owners get arrested. Over some ambiguous wording. Or what the meaning of IS is. To me that's sad. And doesn't say very much for your character. Personally I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. As far as me being a Douchebag? Hell I've been called a lot worse than that. By better men than you. Coming from you sir. I take that as a compliment. Thanks! Enjoy your night!
With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? You and I have different definitions of "Fellow" in regards to gun owners. My "Fellow" gun owners are law abiding and not felons who happen to possess firearms when prohibited from doing so. No do they run around murdering people. Obviously, you dont have the same standards. Clearly not. For example, you consider people who try to employ so called "work arounds" to the NFA as "law abiding". Is buying a gun from an individual at a gun show and not going through a NICs check a "loop hole" or a "work around"? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:10:45 PM EDT
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Really? You are able to determine the intent of the manufacturer who installed those braces on those pistols based solely on those pictures? Impressive!!! Especially since even in the most recent ATF letter from the Tech Branch states that its not illegal as long as the intent of the manufacturer is NOT to create an SBR. Being photographed firing said weapon from the shoulder pretty much cements intent. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:11:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:11:57 PM EDT
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Is buying a gun from an individual at a gun show and not going through a NICs check a "loop hole" or a "work around"? It's neither, because that activity is not proscribed, is it? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:14:01 PM EDT
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With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional.
Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:19:30 PM EDT
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Really? You are able to determine the intent of the manufacturer who installed those braces on those pistols based solely on those pictures? Impressive!!! Especially since even in the most recent ATF letter from the Tech Branch states that its not illegal as long as the intent of the manufacturer is NOT to create an SBR. Being photographed firing said weapon from the shoulder pretty much cements intent. There arent any photos of those individuals shooting pistols with the brace strapped to their forearms? What sort of intent does that show? How many times did those individuals shoot the pistol with the brace strapped to their arms vs shouldered? And you still havent managed to get around the whole, ATF said its still legal to shoulder it thing.... |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:19:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:20:06 PM EDT
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Is buying a gun from an individual at a gun show and not going through a NICs check a "loop hole" or a "work around"? It's neither, because that activity is not proscribed, is it? Neither is shooting a pistol from the shoulder... Whether or not its equipped with a brace. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:20:42 PM EDT
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Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional.
Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? Sheriff's, Chief's of Police who refuse to sign off on the application? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:23:55 PM EDT
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With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional.
Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? Sheriff's, Chief's of Police who refuse to sign off on the application? That's a local problem, not an NFA problem. I support "shall sign" legislation |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:39:09 PM EDT
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That's a local problem, not an NFA problem. I support "shall sign" legislation It's still an infringement mechanism and not Constitutional.
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:40:22 PM EDT
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. it's only on one arm. f'ing LOL |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:42:17 PM EDT
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That's a local problem, not an NFA problem. I support "shall sign" legislation It's still an infringement mechanism and not Constitutional. That is not true at all. Next thing, you guys will be saying "Meh! Walmart don't sell no gunz after 10pm!! Mah rights! MAH RIGHTS!!" |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:50:35 PM EDT
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That is not true at all. Next thing, you guys will be saying "Meh! Walmart don't sell no gunz after 10pm!! Mah rights! MAH RIGHTS!!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a local problem, not an NFA problem. I support "shall sign" legislation It's still an infringement mechanism and not Constitutional. That is not true at all. Next thing, you guys will be saying "Meh! Walmart don't sell no gunz after 10pm!! Mah rights! MAH RIGHTS!!"
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:55:17 PM EDT
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That's a local problem, not an NFA problem. I support "shall sign" legislation It's still an infringement mechanism and not Constitutional. That is not true at all. Next thing, you guys will be saying "Meh! Walmart don't sell no gunz after 10pm!! Mah rights! MAH RIGHTS!!"
You do understand there is a difference between Walmart setting their hours of operation and ATF dictating the hours that they can sell guns right? The<sarcasm> tags were implied. You guys don't seem to understand the difference between the action of the Feds and the locals infringing your rights. The CLEO sign off is a local issue. Crying that NFA is unconstitutional is pathetic when it clearly is. I don't hear people calling Pittman-Robertson unconstitutional. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:01:39 PM EDT
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You might be surprised to learn the biggest douchebags I encounter are on this site, lol Oh, the irony. See, it's almost Pavlovian. You ring a bell, and the douchebags show up. Go ahead and tell us where arfcom touched you... |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:06:34 PM EDT
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? With your massive forearms, why aren't you strong enough to use the gun one - handed without it ? Seems the Sig brace would be a waste of money on your awesomeness. it's only on one arm. f'ing LOL I know right ? 
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:11:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:12:41 PM EDT
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Find a girlfriend? Fap less? Fap for shorter periods of time? All of these might reduce the swelling of your forearms.
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? Find a girlfriend? Fap less? Fap for shorter periods of time? All of these might reduce the swelling of your forearms.
Or you could buy the new brace from Sig, the SBX which is made for guys with "muscular" forearms..... I did just get some new coc grippers. It's tough to shoot a 10.5" barrel one handed. But I do it. Sometimes I use two hands on a glock too. Come at me bro. I'm waiting for ATf agents at all my local ranges to start making arrests. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:17:24 PM EDT
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Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? I think that since Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966), taxes levied on the exercise of a fundemental Constitutionally-enumerated right have been a no-no. Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner doesn't exactly support his case either. Pittmann-Robertson is just as unconstitutional as the NFA. Just because the taxes go towards a good cause doesn't make the collection method Constitutional. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:18:28 PM EDT
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Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? Sheriff's, Chief's of Police who refuse to sign off on the application? That's a local problem, not an NFA problem. I support "shall sign" legislation Great! However, once again you fail to address the issue raised. Qualified individuals who have been denied NFA stamps. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:18:56 PM EDT
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Article 1 Section 8: Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; I have never heard of a qualified individual being denied an NFA Stamp. Have you? I think that since Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966), taxes levied on the exercise of a fundemental Constitutionally-enumerated right have been a no-no. Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner doesn't exactly support his case either. Pittmann-Robertson is just as unconstitutional as the NFA. Just because the taxes go towards a good cause doesn't make the collection method Constitutional. So where's the outrage? Come on! 11% on EVERY gun or ammo purchase?? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:19:37 PM EDT
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That is not true at all. Next thing, you guys will be saying "Meh! Walmart don't sell no gunz after 10pm!! Mah rights! MAH RIGHTS!!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:20:12 PM EDT
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Great! However, once again you fail to address the issue raised. Qualified individuals who have been denied NFA stamps. Who? I've been into NFA for over 10 years, and have never heard of a qualified individual denied by ATF for a SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, or transfer of a MG. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:21:47 PM EDT
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I did just get some new coc grippers. It's tough to shoot a 10.5" barrel one handed. But I do it. Sometimes I use two hands on a glock too. Come at me bro. I'm waiting for ATf agents at all my local ranges to start making arrests. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish sig would make a larger size. My muscular forearms are a very tight fit. Who did they design these for? Skinny girly men? Find a girlfriend? Fap less? Fap for shorter periods of time? All of these might reduce the swelling of your forearms.
Or you could buy the new brace from Sig, the SBX which is made for guys with "muscular" forearms..... I did just get some new coc grippers. It's tough to shoot a 10.5" barrel one handed. But I do it. Sometimes I use two hands on a glock too. Come at me bro. I'm waiting for ATf agents at all my local ranges to start making arrests. Not with those muscular forearms! I'm also staying very far away from any suspiciously crusty "starchy" socks in your vicinity too.... |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:23:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:24:20 PM EDT
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Great! However, once again you fail to address the issue raised. Qualified individuals who have been denied NFA stamps. Who? I've been into NFA for over 10 years, and have never heard of a qualified individual denied by ATF for a SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, or transfer of a MG. I know several folks who were unable to get approval because the CLEO would not sign off on the application. You call it a local issue....doesnt change the fact that qualified individuals were unable to get to the crucial ATF approval part of the stamp process. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:25:51 PM EDT
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the NFA is perfectly constitutional. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=71346 Does Congress not have the power to tax interstate commerce? Are firearms that are made and shipped all over the country not in interstate commerce? With the obvious exception of (and previously stated) machine gun ban, how exactly is it unconstitutional? EVERYONE who is legally qualified gets their stuff when they pay their tax. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:26:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:29:12 PM EDT
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Does Congress not have the power to tax interstate commerce? Are firearms that are made and shipped all over the country not in interstate commerce? With the obvious exception of (and previously stated) machine gun ban, how exactly is it unconstitutional? EVERYONE who is legally qualified gets their stuff when they pay their tax. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the NFA is perfectly constitutional. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=71346 Does Congress not have the power to tax interstate commerce? Are firearms that are made and shipped all over the country not in interstate commerce? With the obvious exception of (and previously stated) machine gun ban, how exactly is it unconstitutional? EVERYONE who is legally qualified gets their stuff when they pay their tax. 
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:32:36 PM EDT
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Does Congress not have the power to tax interstate commerce? Are firearms that are made and shipped all over the country not in interstate commerce? With the obvious exception of (and previously stated) machine gun ban, how exactly is it unconstitutional? EVERYONE who is legally qualified gets their stuff when they pay their tax. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the NFA is perfectly constitutional. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=71346 Does Congress not have the power to tax interstate commerce? Are firearms that are made and shipped all over the country not in interstate commerce? With the obvious exception of (and previously stated) machine gun ban, how exactly is it unconstitutional? EVERYONE who is legally qualified gets their stuff when they pay their tax. Poll Tax |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:32:57 PM EDT
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Great! However, once again you fail to address the issue raised. Qualified individuals who have been denied NFA stamps. Who? I've been into NFA for over 10 years, and have never heard of a qualified individual denied by ATF for a SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, or transfer of a MG. I know several folks who were unable to get approval because the CLEO would not sign off on the application. You call it a local issue....doesnt change the fact that qualified individuals were unable to get to the crucial ATF approval part of the stamp process. It would seem the denial came from the CLEO, and not the ATF. And how does that change the outcome? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:36:53 PM EDT
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With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zaminski; Well to answer your question. "Is wannabe pretend cop like wannabe pretend SBR??" I don't know what to tell you. I've been out of the Law Enforcement community for around 25 years now I believe. Wasn't a Wannabe, was sworn. As far as a pretend SBR? Can't say. I don't own one. I'm really not sure what a pretend one would be. It either is, or it isn't an SBR. The problem with you is. You are actually looking forward to seeing, fellow Gun Owners get arrested. Over some ambiguous wording. Or what the meaning of IS is. To me that's sad. And doesn't say very much for your character. Personally I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. As far as me being a Douchebag? Hell I've been called a lot worse than that. By better men than you. Coming from you sir. I take that as a compliment. Thanks! Enjoy your night!
With the obvious exception of the machinegun ban, the NFA is perfectly constitutional. "Fellow gun owners"? LMAO. Let me tell you something about "Fellow gun owners". The thugs that shoot up the streets of Chicago are "fellow gun owners". The guy that just murdered two NYPD officers is a "fellow gun owner". If you want to fret over the arrest of "Fellow gun owners", have at it. Me? I'm gonna lauigh every time some "You're not the boss of me!" type gets pinched. The only ambiguous wording is the term "brace". As in, what does it actually "brace" when you are shooting it from your shoulder?? nvm |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:38:37 PM EDT
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