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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:11:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know of anybody making piston AR variants that were actually considered for military use prior to HK. Who were the others? (With the exception of the T65, now that I think about it.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. The HK is recent to the piston market. Nobody "followed" their lead. There are other piston rifle companies that have been around longer. The information environment was also much different in the 80's than it is now. Think about how fast we get information today versus back then. Would you not agree that would effect marketing as well? I don't know of anybody making piston AR variants that were actually considered for military use prior to HK. Who were the others? (With the exception of the T65, now that I think about it.) It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:17:19 AM EDT
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I thought Afghanman was all about shotguns? Soviet man or Paki man seems more appropriate this time. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101123011659/superman/images/3/3e/Red_Son_Superman.jpg You called? Needs more ushanka and wvodka |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:18:05 AM EDT
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So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit.  You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. No AK works fine. So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. Except tests have repeatedly shown that they did make a more reliable carbine. It gets dismissed here as "not significant enough to justify the weight, or cost..." But that doesn't change the results. They never catch on, because some manufacturers have had early issues, and the military hasn't adopted them. If the military starts using them as standard issue, you will get more people buying and using them on the civilian side due to familiarity, lower cost, and "if the military uses it, it must be good" |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. SCARs are actually piston ARs. Rooster told me.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:23:30 AM EDT
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Armalite made an AR designed around a piston that went through initial trials with the military. It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. The HK is recent to the piston market. Nobody "followed" their lead. There are other piston rifle companies that have been around longer. The information environment was also much different in the 80's than it is now. Think about how fast we get information today versus back then. Would you not agree that would effect marketing as well? I don't know of anybody making piston AR variants that were actually considered for military use prior to HK. Who were the others? (With the exception of the T65, now that I think about it.) It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. Ya It seems most "new" rifles are completely copied from AR-18 guts. Which I guess is a testament to the design, or lazy engineers. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:25:01 AM EDT
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SCARs are actually piston ARs. Rooster told me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. SCARs are actually piston ARs. Rooster told me. Well, it does have an AR mag. Must be AR. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:28:23 AM EDT
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Because it's an ugly POS. m Add tape and whoreface stickers. Then stop worrying about losing and just win. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:32:06 AM EDT
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Well, it does have an AR mag. Must be AR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. SCARs are actually piston ARs. Rooster told me. Well, it does have an AR mag. Must be AR. There you have it. Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:39:39 AM EDT
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Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. Try women, they're pretty cool.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:45:44 AM EDT
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There you have it. Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. SCARs are actually piston ARs. Rooster told me. Well, it does have an AR mag. Must be AR. There you have it. Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. So should we pass the hat around to get you a whore, or you comfortable in your virginity at this point 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LWRC is one. They made it into the Army IC competition. While the program was canceled the result that came out of that was the M6 IC for the civilian market (which I do own) and LWRC was making piston style AR's before HK decided to jump on the bandwagon. I dont know if they've fixed it on that new M6 IC, but I have seen many have BAD issues with the gasblock/piston/spring. Seen a few have barrels come lose, which is a pain to fix with how the barrel attaches. Lots of carrier tilt wear evident even with the beefed up rear of the BCG. I do love LWRCs compact and ultra compact stocks though. I guess they have had many variations of barrel nut, this is the kind I am talking about. (Not my pic)  |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:48:48 AM EDT
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So should we pass the hat around to get you a whore, or you comfortable in your virginity at this point
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It's design later found it's way into the G-36 (which has been copied by the SCAR), and then into the HK-416. SCARs are actually piston ARs. Rooster told me. Well, it does have an AR mag. Must be AR. There you have it. Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. So should we pass the hat around to get you a whore, or you comfortable in your virginity at this point
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:50:02 AM EDT
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There you have it. Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. Strange, I hold a similar opinion about piston AR's. They look like a beautiful normal AR on the outside, but once you strip them down you get a piston surprise. Just never can know these days. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:56:50 AM EDT
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Strange, I hold a similar opinion about piston AR's. They look like a beautiful normal AR on the outside, but once you strip them down you get a piston surprise. Just never can know these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There you have it. Like a good GD basement dweller talking about women, I've seen and touched a SCAR a few times, just never been inside of one. The difference is I don't care. Strange, I hold a similar opinion about piston AR's. They look like a beautiful normal AR on the outside, but once you strip them down you get a piston surprise. Just never can know these days. I don't have an issue with SCARS (obviously I don't know dick about them) other than they are more money than I want to spend on a rifle. They are probably awesome. Usually it's pretty easy to tell DI and Piston without stripping them down. My piston guns haven't had issues. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:59:22 AM EDT
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What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. The guy who can't maintain his equipment is calling someone retarded? Hilarious. You can't seriously believe a piece of steel was buried for nearly two decades, and wasn't a lump of shit afterwards, can you? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? ETA: The King of Terrain has shown up, this thread has officially got its second wind. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:00:33 AM EDT
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I don't have an issue with SCARS (obviously I don't know dick about them) other than they are more money than I want to spend on a rifle. They are probably awesome. Usually it's pretty easy to tell DI and Piston without stripping them down. My piston guns haven't had issues. Eh, the one's I'd handled seemed meh. I liked the balance of the AR too much too much to justify the added forward weight of the piston system. Too much money for too little improvement. Some of those Piston rifles with full length rails seemed pretty hard to tell sometimes. Like a flowing red dress veiling a hidden surprise. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:00:44 AM EDT
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I don't have an issue with SCARS (obviously I don't know dick about them) other than they are more money than I want to spend on a rifle. They are probably awesome. Usually it's pretty easy to tell DI and Piston without stripping them down. My piston guns haven't had issues. The SCAR is a completely different design. It could more correctly be considered a derivative of the AR-18 than the AR-15. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:04:24 AM EDT
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The guy who can't maintain his equipment is calling someone retarded? Hilarious. You can't seriously believe a piece of steel was buried for nearly two decades, and wasn't a lump of shit afterwards, can you? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? ETA: The King of Terrain has shown up, this thread has officially got its second wind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. The guy who can't maintain his equipment is calling someone retarded? Hilarious. You can't seriously believe a piece of steel was buried for nearly two decades, and wasn't a lump of shit afterwards, can you? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? ETA: The King of Terrain has shown up, this thread has officially got its second wind. Dude he doesn't need to maintain his equipment. AKs are shipped from the factory with a Krokodil injection kit, instead of a cleaning kit in the buttstock. Why you ask, because AKs DON"T REQUIRE CLEANING |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:06:23 AM EDT
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The guy who can't maintain his equipment is calling someone retarded? Hilarious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. The guy who can't maintain his equipment is calling someone retarded? Hilarious. Not to mention the retarded end of the world scenario with gallons of lube being carried around,
A small bottle of CLP will last a month in the field, or in a combat zone, or through about 1,000 rounds at the range. I guess I'll need to start carrying a gallon jug of oil around, when I can carry 10,000 rounds. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:07:58 AM EDT
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Dude he doesn't need to maintain his equipment. AKs are shipped from the factory with a Krokodile injection kit, instead of a cleaning kit in the buttstock. Why you ask, because AKs DON"T REQUIRE CLEANING 
You have a point. I keep forgetting that somehow, by stamping it out of cheap, eastern European steel, an AK becomes enchanted with magic powers. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:11:40 AM EDT
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Not to mention the retarded end of the world scenario with gallons of lube being carried around,
A small bottle of CLP will last a month in the field, or in a combat zone, or through about 1,000 rounds at the range. I guess I'll need to start carrying a gallon jug of oil around, when I can carry 10,000 rounds. I just use Mobil One Synthetic 10W-40. 900 rounds over the course of 2 days. Never had to re-apply lube or do cleaning. Zero hiccups. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:12:31 AM EDT
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http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110218194938/inciclopedia/images/a/a0/Lol.jpg You have a point. I keep forgetting that somehow, by stamping it out of cheap, eastern European steel, an AK becomes enchanted with magic powers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude he doesn't need to maintain his equipment. AKs are shipped from the factory with a Krokodile injection kit, instead of a cleaning kit in the buttstock. Why you ask, because AKs DON"T REQUIRE CLEANING http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110218194938/inciclopedia/images/a/a0/Lol.jpg You have a point. I keep forgetting that somehow, by stamping it out of cheap, eastern European steel, an AK becomes enchanted with magic powers. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:15:04 AM EDT
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What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. A few ounces of CLP is too much to carry? A bottle can last quite a while. I doubt SHTF would last that long. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:15:32 AM EDT
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 This is the most reliable AR ever made. I've never shot one, or handled it, but on paper it's the best. I've loosely defined it myself as an AR because the letters A and R are in the manufacturers name, so it's pretty much just the same as other rifles. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:18:38 AM EDT
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http://www.eabco.com/ShilohQuigley_small.gif This is the most reliable AR ever made. I've never shot one, or handled it, but on paper it's the best. I've loosely defined it myself as an AR because the letters A and R are in the manufacturers name, so it's pretty much just the same as other rifles. Well played. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:18:42 AM EDT
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Hey y'all. Check out my new piston AR.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:19:07 AM EDT
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A few ounces of CLP is too much to carry? A bottle can last quite a while. I doubt SHTF would last that long. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. A few ounces of CLP is too much to carry? A bottle can last quite a while. I doubt SHTF would last that long. We're balls deep in fantasy land, the SHTF is going to be just like Lucifer's Hammer. I hope you're ready for post-apocalyptic chemical warfare. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:21:41 AM EDT
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Hey y'all. Check out my new piston AR. http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s435/DefinitiveArms/DA%20D%20Rifle/2012-11-02095408.jpg Clearly thats a FAL, or maybe the gun from Heat. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:22:16 AM EDT
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Hey y'all. Check out my new piston AR. http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s435/DefinitiveArms/DA%20D%20Rifle/2012-11-02095408.jpg Clearly thats a FAL, or maybe the gun from Heat. Pretty sure it's a Glock |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:23:11 AM EDT
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Hey y'all. Check out my new piston AR. http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s435/DefinitiveArms/DA%20D%20Rifle/2012-11-02095408.jpg Clearly thats a FAL, or maybe the gun from Heat. Well Goddamn.
We finally solved it. There is now no reason for AR15.com to exist.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:33:53 AM EDT
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I dont know if they've fixed it on that new M6 IC, but I have seen many have BAD issues with the gasblock/piston/spring. Seen a few have barrels come lose, which is a pain to fix with how the barrel attaches. Lots of carrier tilt wear evident even with the beefed up rear of the BCG. When they made the IC the entire piston system was beefed up in addition to changing the return spring to a flatwire design. Most of what you saw were a few cases and they were addressed with the system being redesigned. To my knowledge the IC does not use a traditional barrel nut to lock the barrel. Offhand I don't remember it however I'm sure there are some more knowledgeable LWRC owners in here than me. As I said I personally have never met anyone who has had any of the issues you describe. That must say something considering in terms of failure rate but then again compared to DI owners (or both) we are a smaller group. The only issue I have seen with the IC is the bolt stop is short and does not engage all magazines reliably. I do believe this has been fixed. I'll have to check the LWRC forum. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:34:47 AM EDT
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it's a barbarian's rifle. Bond James Bond would have nothing of it
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:41:38 AM EDT
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it's a barbarian's rifle. Bond James Bond would have nothing of it Unlike most arfcommers james bond is actually cool. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:54:17 AM EDT
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This is your new god...
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:13:06 AM EDT
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This is your new god... http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/IMG_0009_s.jpg And these are his disciples... http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/dutch3and4s.jpg They're nice and all but... 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:33:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're nice and all but... http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/129/577/How+About+No.jpg?1307079577 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is your new god... http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/IMG_0009_s.jpg And these are his disciples... http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/dutch3and4s.jpg They're nice and all but... http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/129/577/How+About+No.jpg?1307079577 |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:43:32 AM EDT
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Damn! GD is so opinionated. Never thought this thread will last this long without getting locked.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:58:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn! GD is so opinionated. Never thought this thread will last this long without getting locked. It's not all unfounded opinion. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 7:12:01 AM EDT
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Ive built enough AR's that I cant remember exactly how many are sitting downstairs right now. However, I only have 1 AK47 (sold my AK74 last month to consolidate calibers) but as of 30 minutes ago Ive got 3 more on the way and a whole lot more in the hole for after Xmas. I love them both. Heresy!!!! How dare you have a different opinion than the AR gurus in this thread! Like both? What is wrong with you???? 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 7:14:55 AM EDT
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Heresy!!!! How dare you have a different opinion than the AR gurus in this thread! Like both? What is wrong with you????
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Ive built enough AR's that I cant remember exactly how many are sitting downstairs right now. However, I only have 1 AK47 (sold my AK74 last month to consolidate calibers) but as of 30 minutes ago Ive got 3 more on the way and a whole lot more in the hole for after Xmas. I love them both. Heresy!!!! How dare you have a different opinion than the AR gurus in this thread! Like both? What is wrong with you????
I like both a lot. And the AK was much cheaper to shoot at one time than the AR. Now not so much. I own both. However, I thought we were talking about which one was the better rifle. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:20:40 AM EDT
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If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. In all the rooms I've ever cleared, I've never needed a different gas system. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:21:51 AM EDT
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. It fucking takes meat from bone, show some respect 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:24:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:24:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own both. I own both. But I only use the AK to torture people.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:31:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:34:47 AM EDT
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I own both. I own both. But I only use the AK to torture people. Careful that report might be released by the cia |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:55:42 AM EDT
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. In all the rooms I've ever cleared, I've never needed a different gas system. Obviously you've only cleared, not operationally operated. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 9:01:29 AM EDT
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it's a barbarian's rifle. Bond James Bond would have nothing of it We all know Bond prefers his Walthers, but he knows he won't get cooties if he uses an AK to drop some muthafuckas. In style too. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 9:16:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We all know Bond prefers his Walthers, but he knows he won't get cooties if he uses an AK to drop some muthafuckas. In style too. http://www.bondcollection.com.ar/armas_007/geye-16.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: it's a barbarian's rifle. Bond James Bond would have nothing of it We all know Bond prefers his Walthers, but he knows he won't get cooties if he uses an AK to drop some muthafuckas. In style too. http://www.bondcollection.com.ar/armas_007/geye-16.jpg  |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 9:24:30 AM EDT
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But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! Will there be bears? http://i59.tinypic.com/2hyeb1z.jpg 
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