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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:41:29 AM EDT
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So I need to quit dicking around and send off the paperwork already?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:46:01 AM EDT
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Not really surprising. Lasted longer than I expected.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:46:12 AM EDT
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So I need to quit dicking around and send off the paperwork already? And yes, you do. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:49:37 AM EDT
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Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles.
We can't have people getting those delivered to their door.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:53:54 AM EDT
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Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles. We can't have people getting those delivered to their door.
Did anything cool come out in 1965? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:55:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles. We can't have people getting those delivered to their door. In 3014, anything made after 1898 will still be considered a firearm...... |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:55:23 AM EDT
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Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles. We can't have people getting those delivered to their door.
Did anything cool come out in 1965? Civilian AR sales began in 63. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:55:33 AM EDT
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Not really surprising. Lasted longer than I expected. Unfortunately, yes. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:57:19 AM EDT
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Sorry I can't dig through all of this right now, previously C&R only required CLEO notification. Are you saying it now requires sign off?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:57:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did anything cool come out in 1965? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles. We can't have people getting those delivered to their door. Did anything cool come out in 1965?   |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:00:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I need to quit dicking around and send off the paperwork already? I'm avoiding it because half the reason I don't impulsively buy stuff is because of the FFL hassle. If I could have shit shipped to my door, I'd be in trouble. I've picked up at least two guns a month since the summer.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:03:10 PM EDT
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Good! About time..
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:04:43 PM EDT
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Did anything cool come out in 1965? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles. We can't have people getting those delivered to their door.
Did anything cool come out in 1965? Well, me, but I'm biased, I came out of the cooch of the junkie that gave me up for adoption |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:05:19 PM EDT
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Good! About time.. 
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:07:32 PM EDT
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So I need to quit dicking around and send off the paperwork already? thinking the same thing |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:08:27 PM EDT
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I have thought about getting my c&r
What are the benefits? Is it purely collecting? What kind of cool stuff can you get that normally you cant? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:10:43 PM EDT
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This thread is relative to my interests.
Is there any reason why I would not want a C&R license....any hidden concerns that could pop up and put me in legal trouble? How about if I was to have to relocate temporarily, to a state behind enemy lines such as Illinois or California, would I need to get my new CLEO to sign off on the C&R or would my original paperwork from Oklahoma be good forever? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:10:46 PM EDT
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I have thought about getting my c&r What are the benefits? Is it purely collecting? What kind of cool stuff can you get that normally you cant? Crates of Mosin Nagants delivered to your house for way cheaper than you can go to the local gun store and get them. Midway and Brownells used to give dealer discounts for the C&R, but I think one of them stopped. I've not bought anything from either since I got Amazon Prime. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:12:33 PM EDT
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Good! About time.. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535 rest of the 0's have to do it, you should too.. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:13:22 PM EDT
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I have thought about getting my c&r What are the benefits? Is it purely collecting? What kind of cool stuff can you get that normally you cant? Honestly, there are not anywhere near the imports of C&R rifles/pistols that was in the past. Am afraid the heyday of milsurps is over, unless you surf Gunbroker. I use mine solely for the discount at Brownells. And more than make it up to them in orders every year.
ETA....yes, Midway stopped the discount, so I 'stopped' the amount of orders I gave 'ol Larry |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:16:33 PM EDT
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So I need to quit dicking around and send off the paperwork already? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:16:42 PM EDT
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So I need to quit dicking around and send off the paperwork already? Do it. I just got mine took just over 2 weeks from when I mailed it to when I got it. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:28:59 PM EDT
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Honestly, there are not anywhere near the imports of C&R rifles/pistols that was in the past. Am afraid the heyday of milsurps is over, unless you surf Gunbroker. I use mine solely for the discount at Brownells. And more than make it up to them in orders every year.
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I have thought about getting my c&r What are the benefits? Is it purely collecting? What kind of cool stuff can you get that normally you cant? Honestly, there are not anywhere near the imports of C&R rifles/pistols that was in the past. Am afraid the heyday of milsurps is over, unless you surf Gunbroker. I use mine solely for the discount at Brownells. And more than make it up to them in orders every year.
ETA....yes, Midway stopped the discount, so I 'stopped' the amount of orders I gave 'ol Larry What other places give C&R discounts? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:32:25 PM EDT
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What other places give C&R discounts? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have thought about getting my c&r What are the benefits? Is it purely collecting? What kind of cool stuff can you get that normally you cant? Honestly, there are not anywhere near the imports of C&R rifles/pistols that was in the past. Am afraid the heyday of milsurps is over, unless you surf Gunbroker. I use mine solely for the discount at Brownells. And more than make it up to them in orders every year.
ETA....yes, Midway stopped the discount, so I 'stopped' the amount of orders I gave 'ol Larry What other places give C&R discounts? Grafs does or did... |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:38:02 PM EDT
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Meh, my prints are already in the beast.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:42:44 PM EDT
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Is there a how-to thread for this?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:44:31 PM EDT
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Sorry I can't dig through all of this right now, previously C&R only required CLEO notification. Are you saying it now requires sign off? I helped my old man renew his C&R recently and it was still just notification. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:45:15 PM EDT
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So, if I don't want to deal with the gay on the collectors side, don't reup in 2015?
I've not bought a C&R since 2 years ago, but have kept my licence current. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:50:38 PM EDT
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rest of the 0's have to do it, you should too.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good! About time.. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535 rest of the 0's have to do it, you should too.. The difference is that the rest of the 0's are making money off of their license while we just spend our own 
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:52:31 PM EDT
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So is this like the NFA proposal, they're just declaring it to be so, laws be damned?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:53:59 PM EDT
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I helped my old man renew his C&R recently and it was still just notification. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry I can't dig through all of this right now, previously C&R only required CLEO notification. Are you saying it now requires sign off? I helped my old man renew his C&R recently and it was still just notification. I suppose I should clarify, will it require certification if the new rule is implemented? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:57:04 PM EDT
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What a petty attitude
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:58:02 PM EDT
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Thankfully we have the ATF to protect us with these regulations
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:59:31 PM EDT
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So is this like the NFA proposal, they're just declaring it to be so, laws be damned? Speaking of NFA... I think if we have to go through NFA-level scrutiny, we should get NFA-level privilege. If it's a C&R, NFA or otherwise, ship it to me. Now. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:01:58 PM EDT
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The difference is that the rest of the 0's are making money off of their license while we just spend our own Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good! About time.. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535 rest of the 0's have to do it, you should too.. The difference is that the rest of the 0's are making money off of their license while we just spend our own heh sure you do.. 
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:02:24 PM EDT
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Building up that data base.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:04:22 PM EDT
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What a petty attitude Edit: In regards to fat_McWhatever nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:07:18 PM EDT
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nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a petty attitude Edit: In regards to fat_McWhatever nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. I'd allow your logic if I could get a dealer's licence to "self-collect" |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:07:59 PM EDT
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Damn C&R is moot in the PRK so...
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:08:53 PM EDT
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Are these proposed changes being done thru legislation from congress and signed into law by FBHO?
Or is the ATF making these changes like an executive order just like FBHO? |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M134. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who didn't see this coming. That 50 year threshold is starting to creep into more modern arms, like evil uh-salt rifles. We can't have people getting those delivered to their door. Did anything cool come out in 1965? So tell me again how this Car license works... |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:11:13 PM EDT
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You may remember this thread warning of upcoming rule changes, well here they are. If someone can host it, I have the draft copy of the new Responsible Persons form and can email it to you. Long story short, if this rule goes through C&R applicants will not only still need to get CLEO signoff, but they will also need to submit fingerprints and photographs. The comment period for this proposed rule change is open until January 26th, 2015, but it is not showing up on regulations.gov or reginfo.gov yet. Quoted from an email from BATFE. The significant changes in regards to the ATF Form 7 are as follows: CHANGE 1 Collections 1140-0018 and 1140-0038 were combined- This form (collection 1140-0018) will now also be used to apply for a Type 03, Collector of Curios and Relics FFL 2 All RP-specific questions (3- SSN, 14, 14a, 15, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and photograph in 28) have been removed from the application 3 Questions relevant to businesses only, have been grouped into a separate section (new #13-17) which applicants applying for a Type 03 FFL only can skip 4 Former item #8 became item #1 and boxes for “LLC” and “Collector” were added 5 Former item #1 is now item #2. The wording changed slightly to help clarify what is being asked of the applicant. 6 Added “(s)” at the end of “Trade or Business Name(s),if any” (New item #3) 7 All applicants must now provide at least one hour of operation/availability in which they can be contacted by ATF personnel (new item #12) 8 Current Form 7 Item #18 was removed 9 Current Form 7 Item #18a. was modified 10 Moved all Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) related items above the certification section (new #18-19) 11 Added a 6th Certification Item (new item #20f.) 12 The Certification section now has a line for applicants to print their name, instead of putting their title 13 Minor edits to the application status section (at the bottom of the back of the form) 14 Edits to Instruction Sheet for further clarification Federal Register Entry 1 Federal Register Entry 2 How fucking many copies of my prints does the ATF need?? Seriously? If they have gotten one copy with the last year, they shouldn't need another copy every fucking time I do business with them. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:13:32 PM EDT
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Speaking of NFA... I think if we have to go through NFA-level scrutiny, we should get NFA-level privilege. If it's a C&R, NFA or otherwise, ship it to me. Now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is this like the NFA proposal, they're just declaring it to be so, laws be damned? Speaking of NFA... I think if we have to go through NFA-level scrutiny, we should get NFA-level privilege. If it's a C&R, NFA or otherwise, ship it to me. Now. Exactly. That sounds like an awful lot of BS to go through just to get a Mosin shipped to my door. Buying one through a dealer does not require my fingerprints and photo. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:14:02 PM EDT
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Speaking of NFA... I think if we have to go through NFA-level scrutiny, we should get NFA-level privilege. If it's a C&R, NFA or otherwise, ship it to me. Now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is this like the NFA proposal, they're just declaring it to be so, laws be damned? Speaking of NFA... I think if we have to go through NFA-level scrutiny, we should get NFA-level privilege. If it's a C&R, NFA or otherwise, ship it to me. Now. You do with C&R nfa items which in 2036 will be everything full auto |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:14:18 PM EDT
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What a petty attitude Edit: In regards to fat_McWhatever nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. I'd allow your logic if I could get a dealer's licence to "self-collect" ya missed the second part to my statement.. the C&R lic is stupid, and should be not needed. You should not need to registrar with the .gov for permission to have a antique firearm shipped to you for YOUR collection.. Should be handled like black powder firearms..
BUT since they say you have to play with the big boys to have the RIGHT to get them shipped to you. You need to feel the pain the rest of us have to feel to play the game.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:14:58 PM EDT
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What a petty attitude Edit: In regards to fat_McWhatever nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. I'd allow your logic if I could get a dealer's licence to "self-collect" Yeah no kidding. Or if we could make a business out of our C&R... EDIT: Saw response. Still sucks no matter how you slice it. A solution in search or a problem. If we are to believe that voter fraud is not an issue, then FFL fraud sure as hell can't be. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:16:19 PM EDT
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ya missed the second part to my statement.. the C&R lic is stupid, and should be not needed. You should not need to registrar with the .gov for permission to have a antique firearm shipped to you for YOUR collection.. Should be handled like black powder firearms..
BUT since they say you have to play with the big boys to have the RIGHT to get them shipped to you. You need to feel the pain the rest of us have to feel to play the game.
01 since 91 and a 06 since 13. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a petty attitude Edit: In regards to fat_McWhatever nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. I'd allow your logic if I could get a dealer's licence to "self-collect" ya missed the second part to my statement.. the C&R lic is stupid, and should be not needed. You should not need to registrar with the .gov for permission to have a antique firearm shipped to you for YOUR collection.. Should be handled like black powder firearms..
BUT since they say you have to play with the big boys to have the RIGHT to get them shipped to you. You need to feel the pain the rest of us have to feel to play the game.
01 since 91 and a 06 since 13. Unless a sarcasm sign is involved, it goes over my head. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:16:55 PM EDT
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Damn C&R is moot in the PRK so... Fucking commie scum in the PRK made the C&R worthless. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:21:15 PM EDT
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So is this going to require CLEO signoff or just notification?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:22:52 PM EDT
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Unless a sarcasm sign is involved, it goes over my head. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a petty attitude Edit: In regards to fat_McWhatever nope.. rest of us need to do it C&Rs should be no exception. Technically there should be no need for a C&R license to self collect.. I'd allow your logic if I could get a dealer's licence to "self-collect" ya missed the second part to my statement.. the C&R lic is stupid, and should be not needed. You should not need to registrar with the .gov for permission to have a antique firearm shipped to you for YOUR collection.. Should be handled like black powder firearms..
BUT since they say you have to play with the big boys to have the RIGHT to get them shipped to you. You need to feel the pain the rest of us have to feel to play the game.
01 since 91 and a 06 since 13. Unless a sarcasm sign is involved, it goes over my head. every other 0 has to submit that info.. Prints and photo and CLEO sign off. adding that standardizes the process for the Lic for all 0's. No animals should be more special than any other. second point. I believe a C&R should not be needed to self collect antique firearms. and should be handled like black powder ones. Ship to your door, no lic needed. But I know of a few that buy a bunch up then hit the gun show, to make a few bucks.. did this explain it better? |
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