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Posted: 11/28/2014 6:38:05 PM EDT
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What would you have charged him with? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop or not,aggravated assault seems light to me for randomly shooting someone and almost killing them. Will he even get jail time if he has a clean record?What are the penalties? I was thinking attempted murder,but posts above have ruled that out. I've seen aggravated assault cases here from bar fights where only fists were used.To me,shooting kicks it up a notch. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 6:40:05 PM EDT
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Lack of intent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? If someone points a gun at me and pulls the trigger,I'm guessing his intent is to kill me. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 6:45:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone points a gun at me and pulls the trigger,I'm guessing his intent is to kill me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? If someone points a gun at me and pulls the trigger,I'm guessing his intent is to kill me. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 6:51:56 PM EDT
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Even if it's aimed at your foot? Intent is a bitch to prove, but there are some circumstances where everyone realizes death was the likeliest result. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? If someone points a gun at me and pulls the trigger,I'm guessing his intent is to kill me. Well,if he's aiming at my foot he probably just wants me to dance............just don't shoot at my mules feet unless you are ready with an apology. 
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:00:49 PM EDT
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If only men could convince women that the altmate insult is to flash their tits at us.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:05:01 PM EDT
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Did you see that woman? She looks like Hulk Hogan for God's sake.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:06:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking attempted murder,but posts above have ruled that out. I've seen aggravated assault cases here from bar fights where only fists were used.To me,shooting kicks it up a notch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cop or not,aggravated assault seems light to me for randomly shooting someone and almost killing them. Will he even get jail time if he has a clean record?What are the penalties? I was thinking attempted murder,but posts above have ruled that out. I've seen aggravated assault cases here from bar fights where only fists were used.To me,shooting kicks it up a notch.  Terms seems to vary widely from state to state.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:10:49 PM EDT
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Isolated incident
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:13:27 PM EDT
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There has to be more to the story. She must have done something that justified deadly force, but yet isn't illegal so there were no charges.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:14:18 PM EDT
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I saw a guy post on another website that claimed he went to the academy with this guy. He said the dude was crazy.
Of course it is the internet so......but, the guy that posted it did post it with what appeared to be a real Facebook account. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:16:18 PM EDT
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Isolated incident Actually I would say it is.
Don't know that I've seen any cops shooting people in road rages before. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:17:15 PM EDT
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Right? How is this not attempted murder? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? Shoot to graze only. If he wanted her dead, she'd be dead, rest my case.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:27:33 PM EDT
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I kinda have to agree with that.
Terms seems to vary widely from state to state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop or not,aggravated assault seems light to me for randomly shooting someone and almost killing them. Will he even get jail time if he has a clean record?What are the penalties? I was thinking attempted murder,but posts above have ruled that out. I've seen aggravated assault cases here from bar fights where only fists were used.To me,shooting kicks it up a notch.
Terms seems to vary widely from state to state. So what would it be there? |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what would it be there? Class A Felony.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:36:44 PM EDT
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Actually I would say it is.
Don't know that I've seen any cops shooting people in road rages before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isolated incident Actually I would say it is.
Don't know that I've seen any cops shooting people in road rages before. http://www.wbaltv.com/news/accused-nj-cop-takes-stand-in-road-rage-murder-trial/27147752 http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/retired-nypd-cop-charged-in-fatal-road-rage-incident/ http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/maryland/2014/07/29/jury-deliberating-racially-charged-police-road-rage-case/13333997/ 
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That I cannot answer. In Michigan reserve Officers and Deputies are not certified Police officers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: RESERVE Deputy. NOT a Police Officer. He's a volunteer. Someone that donates money and waves to kids at parades while wearing a Police uniform. Most of the time they are want-to-be cops that couldn't make it for some reason, and this story sums that up nicely. He is or was a certified peace officer of the State of That I cannot answer. In Michigan reserve Officers and Deputies are not certified Police officers. Some of us feel we owe a debt for living in our country and communities. Some of us give our time as a volunteer to pay back our debt since we didn't get to fly helicopters in the army. But really, how do you do it in MI.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:41:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone points a gun at me and pulls the trigger,I'm guessing his intent is to kill me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? If someone points a gun at me and pulls the trigger,I'm guessing his intent is to kill me. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:51:23 PM EDT
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Lack of intent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? So actually shooting at someone doesn't necessary mean intent to kill, but reaching for one's waistband in a furtive manner can. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:07:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So actually shooting at someone doesn't necessary mean intent to kill, but reaching for one's waistband in a furtive manner can. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow,only aggravated assault? Right? How is this not attempted murder? So actually shooting at someone doesn't necessary mean intent to kill, but reaching for one's waistband in a furtive manner can. It's actually not hard to figure out. The penal codes are for the purposes of prosecution after the fact. Had the woman pulled her gun and killed the deputy, she would have been justified. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:07:23 PM EDT
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So actually shooting at someone doesn't necessary mean intent to kill.... ADA told my buddy that after his shootout. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:22:54 PM EDT
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ADA told my buddy that after his shootout. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So actually shooting at someone doesn't necessary mean intent to kill.... ADA told my buddy that after his shootout. I should have specified in reality, not bizarro world.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:25:00 PM EDT
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It's actually not hard to figure out. The penal codes are for the purposes of prosecution after the fact. Had the woman pulled her gun and killed the deputy, she would have been justified. I would still think that using lethal force on the other person would pretty much imply that the goal is to kill them. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:45:56 PM EDT
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I fucking hate honkers!!!!!!
Good shoot |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would still think that using lethal force on the other person would pretty much imply that the goal is to kill them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's actually not hard to figure out. The penal codes are for the purposes of prosecution after the fact. Had the woman pulled her gun and killed the deputy, she would have been justified. I would still think that using lethal force on the other person would pretty much imply that the goal is to kill them. No. My goal in a self defense situation is to stop the threat. It comes down to intent. The problem is that the only one who knows the true intent is the person committing the action. Since we don't know, the law defaults to the lowest possible intent, unless proven otherwise. I think this is a good way to do it. YMMV |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:52:51 PM EDT
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No. My goal in a self defense situation is to stop the threat. It comes down to intent. The problem is that the only one who knows the true intent is the person committing the action. Since we don't know, the law defaults to the lowest possible intent, unless proven otherwise. I think this is a good way to do it. YMMV Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's actually not hard to figure out. The penal codes are for the purposes of prosecution after the fact. Had the woman pulled her gun and killed the deputy, she would have been justified. I would still think that using lethal force on the other person would pretty much imply that the goal is to kill them. No. My goal in a self defense situation is to stop the threat. It comes down to intent. The problem is that the only one who knows the true intent is the person committing the action. Since we don't know, the law defaults to the lowest possible intent, unless proven otherwise. I think this is a good way to do it. YMMV It probably is the smart choice, especially if beavo451 is correct in his assessment about them being the same penalty. I just would think that it wouldn't be a hard sell that you were trying to kill someone that you shot in the head. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It probably is the smart choice, especially if beavo451 is correct in his assessment about them being the same penalty. I just would think that it wouldn't be a hard sell that you were trying to kill someone that you shot in the head. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:06:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:10:26 PM EDT
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She should get to take a shot at him in return.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She should get to take a shot at him in return. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:38:09 PM EDT
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In LA he would have emptied several magazines. Her injuries might not have been any worse though.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 11:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It probably is the smart choice, especially if beavo451 is correct in his assessment about them being the same penalty. I just would think that it wouldn't be a hard sell that you were trying to kill someone that you shot in the head. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but for murder in Texas you have to prove preparation. If it's a spur of the moment deal, it's manslaughter. If he had killed her, it would've been manslaughter. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:25:07 AM EDT
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You can correct me if I'm wrong, but for murder in Texas you have to prove preparation. If it's a spur of the moment deal, it's manslaughter. If he had killed her, it would've been manslaughter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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