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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:28:53 PM EDT
[#1]
No, if you want bronze age policies move to the Middle East.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:29:58 PM EDT
[#2]
13 lashes for teeners.
We're listening primus... Go on... |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:31:03 PM EDT
[#3]
It would be more humane than a prison sentence. Cheaper, too.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:31:50 PM EDT
[#4]
Been thinking along these lines lately. People remember pain and avoid it....
Except those rare wonderful ladies that love a good spanking and being told they are bad girls! |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:32:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Im no authoritarian and its a good idea
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:33:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, if you want bronze age policies move to the Middle East. I'm not talking about chopping hands off. And before we hear the "slippery slope" tripe, life has peaks and valleys. There are necessarily slopes, you don't slip on them if you're careful of your footing. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:33:34 PM EDT
[#7]
I think public shaming might work for minor misdemeanors and violations
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:33:44 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be more humane than a prison sentence. Cheaper, too. Agree. People who are against it just repeat dogma. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:33:56 PM EDT
[#9]
We should bring back the stocks and gibbets and whatever else that holds people in place for a few days. This would be an excellent punishment in lieu of jail time or fines...
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:34:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be more humane than a prison sentence. Cheaper, too. Seriously, I'm not even being sarcastic, Libertarians should love it for these reasons alone. The sole burden of the offense is borne by the offender. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:34:30 PM EDT
[#11]
absolutely.
"Tag" a building or bridge or whatever with spray paint? Make them clean it off and then beat the little shit's bare ass in public until they can't sit down for a month. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:34:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We should bring back the stocks and gibbets and whatever else that holds people in place for a few days. This would be an excellent punishment in lieu of jail time or fines... Being put in the stocks was essentially a death sentence. Or the occupant ended up maimed for life. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:34:59 PM EDT
[#13]
No beatings. Just stocks and rotting fruit. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:35:40 PM EDT
[#14]
I say bring back the stocks and public shaming.
Thievery? 5 days in the stocks in the public square per item stolen DUI? 2 weeks in the stocks |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:37:22 PM EDT
[#15]
True sociopaths don't give a shit about short lived pain or public shaming.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:37:28 PM EDT
[#16]
Most (think all) criminals are as impulsive as a toddler coupled with an absolute inability to cope an understanding of why they are being punished. Beating them to near death results in zero change.
I think you'd be wasting your time. Pograms would be better.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:37:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No beatings. Just stocks and rotting fruit. Rotting fruit is an object, I just argue that the object should be a bamboo cane. See how close our positions are on the issues? We're so close to consensus, if only you'll listen to reason!  |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:38:44 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True sociopaths don't give a shit about short lived pain or public shaming. However, most crime-prone "cultures" place very high value on pride and appearance. Public shaming would work very well with those types. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:38:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True sociopaths don't give a shit about short lived pain or public shaming. Public shaming, maybe. They aren't immune to physical pain. Literally everything they do is to spare themselves inconvenience or disinterested effort. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:39:04 PM EDT
[#20]
I've posted many times I think that caning thing done to that POS who vandalized a bunch of cars in Singapore is a GREAT idea. I can think of many applications for it. Clearly the probation and other hand-slapping accomplishes nothing. A long-overdue "spanking" with a cane would be a nice change, and no doubt more effective. We would have to import a number of skilled men to administer it, as Americans have obviously forgotten how it's done, but that kind of immigration would be highly beneficial to the country.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:40:10 PM EDT
[#21]
Tar and feather for corrupt politicians. Or anyone stealing tax dollars.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:41:25 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Public shaming, maybe. They aren't immune to physical pain. Literally everything they do is to spare themselves inconvenience or disinterested effort. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True sociopaths don't give a shit about short lived pain or public shaming. Public shaming, maybe. They aren't immune to physical pain. Literally everything they do is to spare themselves inconvenience or disinterested effort. Can't we just do mass pogroms for these kinds?
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:41:55 PM EDT
[#23]
While we're at it, let's bring back trial by combat
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:42:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We would have to import a number of skilled men to administer it, as Americans have obviously forgotten how it's done, but that kind of immigration would be highly beneficial to the country. Bullshit. Hang out at some fetish sites and you'll find that the art of caning is alive and well in the USA. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:43:18 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be your equivalent of drinking water and pissing it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: True sociopaths don't give a shit about short lived pain or public shaming. Public shaming, maybe. They aren't immune to physical pain. Literally everything they do is to spare themselves inconvenience or disinterested effort. Can't we just do mass pogroms for these kinds? Pick a different word and we'll talk. That one's got too much 88 rolled up in it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:44:02 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While we're at it, let's bring back trial by combat I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do think consensual dueling should be legal. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:44:57 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Bullshit. Hang out at some fetish sites and you'll find that the art of caning is alive and well in the USA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We would have to import a number of skilled men to administer it, as Americans have obviously forgotten how it's done, but that kind of immigration would be highly beneficial to the country. Bullshit. Hang out at some fetish sites and you'll find that the art of caning is alive and well in the USA. No thanks. Ignorance is bliss. 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:46:47 PM EDT
[#28]
How about tattoos indicating the crime they committed?
The neck would be a good place for them, and scumbags already have them there anyway. It would be nice to know that you are dealing with someone who has 3 DWIs and 2 posession charges just by looking at them. Child molesters should have tattoos put on their face, detailing what they did. It would make them the subject of scorn the rest of their lives and they might just "punch their own ticket", which would save society a lot of problems. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:49:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do think consensual dueling should be legal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While we're at it, let's bring back trial by combat I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do think consensual dueling should be legal. Pistols or swords at dawn? Plus you could open a dueling school 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:49:48 PM EDT
[#30]
I am not at all sure that the Constitution bans such punishments. As plainly shown by the 5thAm, the Framers did not understand the Eighth Amendment to do so.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:51:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Being put in the stocks was essentially a death sentence. Or the occupant ended up maimed for life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should bring back the stocks and gibbets and whatever else that holds people in place for a few days. This would be an excellent punishment in lieu of jail time or fines... Being put in the stocks was essentially a death sentence. Or the occupant ended up maimed for life. Explain please. I am ignorant. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:53:07 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols or swords at dawn? Plus you could open a dueling school Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: While we're at it, let's bring back trial by combat I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do think consensual dueling should be legal. Pistols or swords at dawn? Plus you could open a dueling school Could by anything the parties agree to. Nail guns, chain saws, sky's the limit.  |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:53:26 PM EDT
[#33]
You had me at naughty girls and latex corsets.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:54:19 PM EDT
[#34]
No shame these days.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:54:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Dats racist!
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:56:26 PM EDT
[#36]
Would tar and feathers be out of the question?
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:56:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Nah, I don't think that kind of thing would deter the criminals that do the things you've mentioned and if we would be doing it just to get some kind of "satisfaction" than we've become a sick society.
Unfortunately, you can't beat stupid and desperation out of society. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:57:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
True sociopaths don't give a shit about short lived pain or public shaming. Most criminals aren't true sociopaths. Corporal punishment would make for an excellent alternative sentence for some crimes |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:57:44 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Explain please. I am ignorant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should bring back the stocks and gibbets and whatever else that holds people in place for a few days. This would be an excellent punishment in lieu of jail time or fines... Being put in the stocks was essentially a death sentence. Or the occupant ended up maimed for life. Explain please. I am ignorant. Going on historical references. A man put in the stocks would be pelted with rocks, veggies, struck with objects, and beaten by the villagers. Also consider this... You are locked standing in these stocks for say 4 days... What happens when you are exhausted and try to rest? You strangle. It was also common that if the person wasn't killed they'd end up maimed by the same things that didn't kill him. Being locked in the stocks is a very cruel thing. Very cruel. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:59:31 PM EDT
[#40]
For most things caning and no criminal record would be better than prison/jail and a criminal record. Less institutionalization and less of shadow looming over them for life, it would allow people to transition to being a productive citizen. It would also be cheaper than incarceration. Will never happen because a private prison makes more profit than a caning and the budget for government prison / jail is higher than paying some little Asian fucker to whoop civility into someones ass with a piece of rattan.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:59:33 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Not talking the "you've been a naughty girl now put on this laytex corset" kind. I mean the lash kind for the administration of public justice. Assuming we could rewrite and/or reinterpret some pesky constitutional provisions...would you be in favor of bringing it back? I'm not talking a Jim Caviezel's Jesus-like beating, just some Singaporean bamboo cane whacks...or something of that nature. DUI and nobody's hurt? 5 whacks and and hour in the stock. Repeat shop lifting? 10 whacks and two hours. As Arfcom's only admitted authoritarian, I think it is a fabulous idea. I love it. Not only does it take away any notoriety from being a criminal, it eliminates profit motive from the state. The state must actually expend resources to punish minor violations. Lawmakers would have to consider the impact on the budget of stupid laws, and do a cost/benefit analysis. "Gee, guys, does it really make sense to hire a thousand more scourge masters to stop j-walking?" |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:03:02 PM EDT
[#42]
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Would tar and feathers be out of the question? Shoplifters, possession of 1 pound of weed, DUI, and such. Break out the cane. Simpler, quicker, and cheaper for society. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:07:09 PM EDT
[#43]
if you get this started can i be the one to provide all of the torture gear for it
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:08:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if you get this started can i be the one to provide all of the torture gear for it Sounds elaborate. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:10:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Around 1998 or so I remember driving through a busy intersection at Rush hour in Gulfport, Mississippi.
There was a lady standing at the intersection with a giant sandwich board sign that stated "I WAS CONVICTED OF DRINKING AND DRIVING IN GULFPORT, MS" Always wondered if this was an option after she'd been convicted multiple times before. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:10:24 PM EDT
[#46]
not to elaborate, just been in the business of making that type of gear for the past 20 years and know how to make it very uncomfortable for the wearer if need be
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:14:51 PM EDT
[#47]
Shit never worked in the day, why would it work now? Criminal behavior is usually about low intelligence and poor impulse control. Jail/prison is more effective because it at least gives society a breather from the criminal.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:20:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit never worked in the day, why would it work now? Criminal behavior is usually about low intelligence and poor impulse control. Jail/prison is more effective because it at least gives society a breather from the criminal. Criminal law exists to do three things: 1. Restrict the offender from society, 2. Retribution for the offense (which also provides deterrent against recidivism) and 3. rehabilitation of offenders. You are talking about "restriction". I am talking about Retribution and the rest be damned (for minor offenses). |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:21:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Someone liked mommy and daddy's firm hand a little too much.  |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:22:57 PM EDT
[#50]
I think it should depend on the crime. If it is a crime with a clear victim, then sentences should be decided by said victim (or next of kin/whatever if victim is unable to sentence). All else? Sentence by jury with a majority decision (to prevent juries that couldn't agree). If the victim or jury decide the sentence should be nothing, then so be it. If the victim or jury decide the sentence should be to be strung up with a slipknot around your testicles until you fall or die, so be it. The check/balance is that there must be someone willing to carry out the punishment within the sentencing jury.
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