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Posted: 11/25/2014 7:49:56 PM EDT
[#1]
Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229,
Which are already NSN numbered, in production, with the manuals, training, armory, and infrastructure is already in place. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 7:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. But if they don't spend the development money then it will get cut from next year's budget. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:05:07 PM EDT
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229 G19, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. 
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:05:38 PM EDT
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But if they don't spend the development money then it will get cut from next year's budget. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. But if they don't spend the development money then it will get cut from next year's budget. Honestly that likely plays more into it then it should. 
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:07:36 PM EDT
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Quality article here:
"The standard U.S. Army sidearm is a 9mm pistol from Baretta, which in 1985 replaced the .45 caliber pistol in use since 1911" 
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:07:49 PM EDT
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Winning |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:08:31 PM EDT
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You can't tell me that somebody isn't getting a kickback for that bullshit.
Our tax dollars at work. Bribry.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:16:38 PM EDT
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I'll be very interested in seeing what they do to the M&P line for the MHS.
We've seen the Sig entrant, and probably the H&K entrant. But I can't wait to see what Glock, S&W, and Beretta bring to the table. The MHS is going to do to modern service handguns what JCP did for full-size double stack .45s. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:17:11 PM EDT
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Or just adopt what the discretionary units are already buying.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:18:15 PM EDT
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This is a win for us because you know they will sell a version to us first.
Hope it is not a sig p229 bore axis is too high and trigger sucks Hk vp9 or walther ppq |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Nobody wins wars with pistols. The one we have is fine for what it is, is paid for, and already has the logistics train in place. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:18:47 PM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:21:53 PM EDT
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Or maybe they just replace the shitty mags issued with the M9. Nobody wins wars with pistols. The one we have is fine for what it is, is paid for, and already has the logistics train in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Or maybe they just replace the shitty mags issued with the M9. Nobody wins wars with pistols. The one we have is fine for what it is, is paid for, and already has the logistics train in place. Alot of the M9's I see are just plain worn out. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:21:54 PM EDT
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Jesus Christ, this is some project of some colonel trying to make a name for himself when all that will happen is they'll cancel the trials $20M later.
 Then said dickbag will probably be made General and retire and go to work for one of the gun companies that trialed for him.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:22:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Seems pretty "Murican" to me.  |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:24:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:24:44 PM EDT
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are we doing this again?
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:25:34 PM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. what? mk25 m9 m249 m240 m3 MAAWS HK416 m11 G19 G22 AT4 SCAR HEAVY SCAR LIGHT prolly more i cant remember.... ALL FOREIGN!!!!!! FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???? |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:27:27 PM EDT
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Or they could just stick with the Beretta. It works fine.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:37:58 PM EDT
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Jesus Christ, this is some project of some colonel trying to make a name for himself when all that will happen is they'll cancel the trials $20M later. Then said dickbag will probably be made General and retire and go to work for one of the gun companies that trialed for him.No one else appreciates the Fed Gov (haters of civilians having firearms) funding development of guns for civilian purchase? 
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:40:37 PM EDT
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Or they could just stick with the Beretta. It works fine. But how would they justify these goat rodeos? More hand-wringing here. Nothing to see, move along folks. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:47:50 PM EDT
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My vote goes for the F-35 bravo.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:49:56 PM EDT
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We got some pretty neat .45's out of the last stupid pistol program, hopefully this one brings us some neat new 9mm's.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:50:38 PM EDT
[#24]
why reinvent the wheel?
just buy the Glock 17 or 19
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:52:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Like cars, most foreign pistols are better than American ones. Sig, CZ, HK, Walther > S&W, Springfield, Ruger |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:54:39 PM EDT
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They should just use CZ and forget the rest.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:57:14 PM EDT
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These threads always turn into popularity contests that ignore reality and costs associated with changing handguns.
Unless it is a phaser nothing new is going to be adopted service wide for a long time.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:57:20 PM EDT
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Colt needs to enter a DAO double stack 1911 in 9mm.
They can borrow Para Ord's old Tac-Five design. DoD gets thier 1911 back. Colt gets a lifeline. Winning. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We got some pretty neat .45's out of the last stupid pistol program, hopefully this one brings us some neat new 9mm's. That's true, I frigging love my HK45C. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:01:16 PM EDT
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They should go with the Hi-Power.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:07:19 PM EDT
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Colt needs to enter a DAO double stack 1911 in 9mm. They can borrow Para Ord's old Tac-Five design. DoD gets thier 1911 back. Colt gets a lifeline. Winning. Back in the early '70s Colt had a stainless steel double stacked 9mm based on the Combat Commander called the SSP! If Colt would've offered it they'd be in ally better shape now. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:08:29 PM EDT
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We got some pretty neat .45's out of the last stupid pistol program, hopefully this one brings us some neat new 9mm's. So far we have the P320 and the VP9. That's a pretty good start. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:08:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Winning Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Winning This... The M11-A1 is NSN numbered (though not issued that I know of) and it would be a great replacement for the M9. Not going to happen though, as some limp dick faggot wants a safety... Not that the thumb safety you can get on an M&P is worth a shit, you breathe on it or look at it funny and it moves.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:11:21 PM EDT
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Smith&Wesson to supply the M&Ps and General Dynamics to grease the right palms.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:11:56 PM EDT
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This... The M11-A1 is NSN numbered (though not issued that I know of) and it would be a great replacement for the M9. Not going to happen though, as some limp dick faggot wants a safety... Not that the thumb safety you can get on an M&P is worth a shit, you breathe on it or look at it funny and it moves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Winning This... The M11-A1 is NSN numbered (though not issued that I know of) and it would be a great replacement for the M9. Not going to happen though, as some limp dick faggot wants a safety... Not that the thumb safety you can get on an M&P is worth a shit, you breathe on it or look at it funny and it moves. Have you seen the contract requirements? No-one knows if it will need a safety. Contrary to popular opinion the M9 contract didn't. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:12:48 PM EDT
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You do realize sunshine, that most of those 'foreign' gun companies now have factories in the US, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. You do realize sunshine, that most of those 'foreign' gun companies now have factories in the US, right? I'm sure he does; moonbeam. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:15:37 PM EDT
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I'd love to see an M&P with more texture on the grip, a better trigger like what is on the shield or the APEX trigger, better reset, and with the thumb safety model, it should be safe enough.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This... The M11-A1 is NSN numbered (though not issued that I know of) and it would be a great replacement for the M9. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Winning This... The M11-A1 is NSN numbered (though not issued that I know of) and it would be a great replacement for the M9. Not going to happen though, as some limp dick faggot wants a safety... Not that the thumb safety you can get on an M&P is worth a shit, you breathe on it or look at it funny and it moves. CID and MPI carry the M11. Don't know who else. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what? snip prolly more i cant remember.... ALL FOREIGN!!!!!! FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. what? snip prolly more i cant remember.... ALL FOREIGN!!!!!! FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???? We shouldn't have foreign equipment unless there is no other option. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:21:26 PM EDT
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229 G19, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. P-07 is already better and cheaper, if you are going to use something foreign. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:22:58 PM EDT
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They should just use CZ and forget the rest. Exactly |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:29:36 PM EDT
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why reinvent the wheel? just buy the Glock 17 or 19 Cause then they would have to install safeties.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:33:25 PM EDT
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They should just use CZ HK and forget the rest. FIFY
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:35:04 PM EDT
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Not going to happen though, as some limp dick faggot wants a safety... Not that the thumb safety you can get on an M&P is worth a shit, you breathe on it or look at it funny and it moves. CID and MPI carry the M11. Don't know who else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. Winning This... The M11-A1 is NSN numbered (though not issued that I know of) and it would be a great replacement for the M9. Not going to happen though, as some limp dick faggot wants a safety... Not that the thumb safety you can get on an M&P is worth a shit, you breathe on it or look at it funny and it moves. CID and MPI carry the M11. Don't know who else. We have one in my ABCT for the BN Commander. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:35:26 PM EDT
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Beretta is fine
How about developing expandable full metal jacket for fucks sake ... Efmj is proven |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:37:00 PM EDT
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They should just use CZ HK and forget the rest. FIFY Usp 9 Case closed, has all the safe features the army wants |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:37:24 PM EDT
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Like cars, most foreign pistols are better than American ones. Sig, CZ, HK, Walther > S&W, Springfield, Ruger Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Like cars, most foreign pistols are better than American ones. Sig, CZ, HK, Walther > S&W, Springfield, Ruger Or not 
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:41:54 PM EDT
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P-07 is already better and cheaper, if you are going to use something foreign. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229 G19, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. P-07 is already better and cheaper, if you are going to use something foreign. P-09. Everyone needs a P-07 on steroids.
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:43:13 PM EDT
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Why not just use the Sig P220 in 45 ACP or use a 10mm handgun?
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